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"Posted by: Kickimanjaro
I'm trying to become an '04, but it's not working too well."

When replying to an OP that isn't too long, please quote.

Why? Threads like these.

After the thread has "run its course" in the authors mind, the post is changed to "lock" and "this thread was a mistake!" or something like that.

So, please. If you're one of the first repliers to a thread... quote the OP if it isn't too long. This way I won't be left scratching my head wondering WTF was going on!

  • 01.25.2012 9:58 PM PDT

Basically, I make the best topics ever.

Feedback!
Duardo: This thread is locked for being stupid.
cortana 5 : It's perpetually my time of the month and I'm just grouchy.
Foman: I see absolutely no reason, either theoretical or practical, that this is not a superb idea. Excellent work, my friend.

Posted by: dmg04
When replying to an OP that isn't too long, please quote.

Why? Threads like these.

After the thread has "run its course" in the authors mind, the post is changed to "lock" and "this thread was a mistake!" or something like that.

So, please. If you're one of the first repliers to a thread... quote the OP if it isn't too long. This way I won't be left scratching my head wondering WTF was going on!
^^^OP^^^

I agree. This is actually one of my biggest pet peeves. Especially if the OP was banned.

[Edited on 01.25.2012 10:00 PM PST]

  • 01.25.2012 9:59 PM PDT

"Except we, we're the zebras. All fenced in...and ready for the slaughter!"

||S-fen Knee-cheh
||19th Shock Troops Battalion

I can do that, it would help a great deal.

Related Discussion: I feel that when one posts anything to the internet they immediately lose "ownership" of the posted content. For one to halt discussion on the grounds that they feel that the discussion has lost steam or they themselves have lost interest is not reasonable. Because it has moved from the mind of the poster to the internet they don't have the "right" to do this.

I'd say in certain cases, like in the linked post above, it is okay; as it was a silly thread. But if there is legitimate discussion happening they should not do this. As we can't control people to the extent of stopping them from deleting thier post, this will have to do.

[Edited on 01.25.2012 10:20 PM PST]

  • 01.25.2012 10:00 PM PDT

Key

I disagree. If the OP wants the thread locked, then the discussion value is gone and it doesn't matter what it said in the first place.

  • 01.25.2012 10:02 PM PDT

Posted by: The Kangol Kid
It was then that I decided he really is like semen(everywhere) and I gave up on life.


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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I disagree. If the OP wants the thread locked, then the discussion value is gone and it doesn't matter what it said in the first place.

  • 01.25.2012 10:04 PM PDT

Basically, I make the best topics ever.

Feedback!
Duardo: This thread is locked for being stupid.
cortana 5 : It's perpetually my time of the month and I'm just grouchy.
Foman: I see absolutely no reason, either theoretical or practical, that this is not a superb idea. Excellent work, my friend.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I disagree. If the OP wants the thread locked, then the discussion value is gone and it doesn't matter what it said in the first place.
The OP doesn't matter. The community should decide if it has discussion value, not the member that happened to create the topic.

"Oh, you disagree with me? Then I'll just ask for the topic to be locked." <-- Immature mindset of many users.

  • 01.25.2012 10:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I disagree. If the OP wants the thread locked, then the discussion value is gone and it doesn't matter what it said in the first place.
The discussion value is a matter of the community, so we can then go back to it, if the info is needed. So, the OP should not do that. I like to go back and read what the discussion was about, other than being left all confused and like what are they talking about,when reading the thread.

  • 01.25.2012 10:07 PM PDT

Posted by: The Kangol Kid
It was then that I decided he really is like semen(everywhere) and I gave up on life.


zoobkillerninja <3


Posted by: sharpace77
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I disagree. If the OP wants the thread locked, then the discussion value is gone and it doesn't matter what it said in the first place.
The OP doesn't matter. The community should decide if it has discussion value, not the member that happened to create the topic.
I disagree with this also. The person who created the thread, regardless of them having an immature mindset, should decide if it has discussion value. They should decide whether or not they would like their thread to continue or what direction it goes in. If it's not up to the OP (who should matter, considering they created the thread to begin with) it wouldn't be as easy to get the thread locked, themselves.

  • 01.25.2012 10:15 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: MetalxTongue

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I disagree. If the OP wants the thread locked, then the discussion value is gone and it doesn't matter what it said in the first place.
The discussion value is a matter of the community, so we can then go back to it, if the info is needed. So, the OP should not do that. I like to go back and read what the discussion was about, other than being left all confused and like what are they talking about,when reading the thread.
You can determine discussion value until the cows come home, the fact of the matter is that you can't stop the Original Poster from editing their Original Post when they feel discussion value has left the thread, they regret making it altogether, or they believe it belongs in another forum either by an epiphanic* happenstance or suggestion from another user.

That power remains with the Original Poster and, in my opinion, rightfully so.

*I'm sure there's an adjective form of epiphany that means "epiphany-like" but I can't find it after about 10 minutes of Googling, so I'm stuck with "epiphanic"

  • 01.25.2012 10:20 PM PDT

Basically, I make the best topics ever.

Feedback!
Duardo: This thread is locked for being stupid.
cortana 5 : It's perpetually my time of the month and I'm just grouchy.
Foman: I see absolutely no reason, either theoretical or practical, that this is not a superb idea. Excellent work, my friend.

Posted by: CamCamm
Posted by: sharpace77
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I disagree. If the OP wants the thread locked, then the discussion value is gone and it doesn't matter what it said in the first place.
The OP doesn't matter. The community should decide if it has discussion value, not the member that happened to create the topic.
I disagree with this also. The person who created the thread, regardless of them having an immature mindset, should decide if it has discussion value. They should decide whether or not they would like their thread to continue or what direction it goes in. If it's not up to the OP (who should matter, considering they created the thread to begin with) it wouldn't be as easy to get the thread locked, themselves.
Oh I forgot, the OP is more important than anyone else simply because he posted a topic. What if Duardo replaced his OP in FAQ on Bungie.net Member Titles / Prefixes / Bar Colors with "LOCK." Would that mean that the work that others put into that topic had no discussion value?

Once you hit submit, your topic belongs to the community whether you like it or not. You don't become some god over the fate of the topic you posted. It goes where the community wants it to, not where you thought it should go.

  • 01.25.2012 10:23 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: sharpace77
Posted by: CamCamm
Posted by: sharpace77
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I disagree. If the OP wants the thread locked, then the discussion value is gone and it doesn't matter what it said in the first place.
The OP doesn't matter. The community should decide if it has discussion value, not the member that happened to create the topic.
I disagree with this also. The person who created the thread, regardless of them having an immature mindset, should decide if it has discussion value. They should decide whether or not they would like their thread to continue or what direction it goes in. If it's not up to the OP (who should matter, considering they created the thread to begin with) it wouldn't be as easy to get the thread locked, themselves.
Oh I forgot, the OP is more important than anyone else simply because he posted a topic. What if Duardo replaced his OP in FAQ on Bungie.net Member Titles / Prefixes / Bar Colors with "LOCK." Would that mean that the work that others put into that topic had no discussion value?

Once you hit submit, your topic belongs to the community whether you like it or not. You don't become some god over the fate of the topic you posted. It goes where the community wants it to, not where you thought it should go.
But there's still obvious discussion value in that thread. The only reason it would get locked is because it's too big, and then he'd make another one. That was a bad example, dude.

  • 01.25.2012 10:28 PM PDT

Posted by: The Kangol Kid
It was then that I decided he really is like semen(everywhere) and I gave up on life.


zoobkillerninja <3

There's a reason why the OP wants the thread locked. Just because it wouldn't have been your idea, doesn't mean it's the wrong idea.

  • 01.25.2012 10:30 PM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

How dare you request that of me.....fine Ill do it.... for you.

  • 01.25.2012 10:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
Cortana 5 is a carbon-based lifeform that frequently visits these forums, currently residing in the United States. Practically every male on the site responds to her posts.

The Joyeuse IP Formula

The fact of the matter is, and people of higher standing have said it before, that once you hit "submit," the thread is not your property. It's not your thread.

Sure, you can ask for a moderator to lock it. But if they decide that it still has value and doesn't merit locking, then tough -blam!-. It annoys the hell out of me when people post legitimate threads, get an answer, then ask for it to be locked.

Just like how you can't make people post in your thread, the OP doesn't (and shouldn't) have the authority to tell people not to post. Just because the OP no longer wants to participate, doesn't mean that someone else may need the information in that thread or want to keep on discussing the thread's topic. Erasing the original post's content and replacing it with "LOCK PLZ. THIS THREAD IS TEH DONE FOR ________ REASON. QQ" is selfish and wastes whatever value the thread had in the first place.

Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Do you absolutely need to know why an OP wants his/her thread locked?
That's the thing. It's not your thread anymore, sweetheart.

[Edited on 01.25.2012 11:11 PM PST]

  • 01.25.2012 11:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: cortana 5
The fact of the matter is, and people of higher standing have said it before, that once you hit "submit," the thread is not your property. It's not your thread.



This

Like a work of art, it enters the public domain, minus the copyright stage that is. What the original author wants is irrelevant.

  • 01.25.2012 11:16 PM PDT

Posted by: The Kangol Kid
It was then that I decided he really is like semen(everywhere) and I gave up on life.


zoobkillerninja <3


Posted by: cortana 5
Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Do you absolutely need to know why an OP wants his/her thread locked?
That's the thing. It's not your thread anymore, sweetheart.
I feel you're wrong, sweetheart.The fact of the matter is, and people of higher standing have said it before, that once you hit "submit," the thread is not your property. It's not your thread.

Sure, you can ask for a moderator to lock it. But if they decide that it still has value and doesn't merit locking, then tough -blam!-. It annoys the hell out of me when people post legitimate threads, get an answer, then ask for it to be locked.
I've been told my numerous mod's that once the original poster deletes the original post and asks for the thread to be locked... it gets locked.
Why? To prevent anymore confusion. Period.

  • 01.25.2012 11:18 PM PDT

Basically, I make the best topics ever.

Feedback!
Duardo: This thread is locked for being stupid.
cortana 5 : It's perpetually my time of the month and I'm just grouchy.
Foman: I see absolutely no reason, either theoretical or practical, that this is not a superb idea. Excellent work, my friend.

Posted by: cortana 5
The fact of the matter is, and people of higher standing have said it before, that once you hit "submit," the thread is not your property. It's not your thread.

Sure, you can ask for a moderator to lock it. But if they decide that it still has value and doesn't merit locking, then tough -blam!-. It annoys the hell out of me when people post legitimate threads, get an answer, then ask for it to be locked.

Just like how you can't make people post in your thread, the OP doesn't (and shouldn't) have the authority to tell people not to post. Just because the OP no longer wants to participate, doesn't mean that someone else may need the information in that thread or want to keep on discussing the thread's topic. Erasing the original post's content and replacing it with "LOCK PLZ. THIS THREAD IS TEH DONE FOR ________ REASON. QQ" is selfish and wastes whatever value the thread had in the first place.

Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Do you absolutely need to know why an OP wants his/her thread locked?
That's the thing. It's not your thread anymore, sweetheart.
You need to post more often Cortana. You seem to have a way of eloquently putting the peons in their place.

  • 01.25.2012 11:26 PM PDT
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If a thread truly had no discussion value, shouldn't there be no discussion either?

Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Do you absolutely need to know why an OP wants his/her thread locked?
I (usually) don't care about why an original poster wants his or her thread locked. But, It'd be nice to know what the original post was, at least.

  • 01.25.2012 11:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
Cortana 5 is a carbon-based lifeform that frequently visits these forums, currently residing in the United States. Practically every male on the site responds to her posts.

The Joyeuse IP Formula

Well, it kinds leaves the mods with little choice, doesn't it?

Defacing the OP with "LOCK PLZ" kinda destroys the thread, and, yes, leaving it up would just create confusion. Going through the hassle of trying to get the OP to put the content back in their post would just be a waste of time and energy.

But my argument here isn't about any fault on the mods' part. I'm talking about the thread creator and how it's selfish to destroy any value that the thread had in the first place by deleting the OP.

If your thread didn't the reaction from others that you were dreaming of, then oh well. If someone gave you the answer to your thread's question, then why ask for it to be locked? Someone else may have the same question and it'll save them from making another thread asking the same thing.

I'm not asking for a rule to be written about it, but I'm just trying to point out how silly it is to delete your OP and cry for it to be locked. Sure, there are legitimate reasons for deleting your OP/asking for a lock. I've done it myself (blatant flaming, someone posting my personal info in my threads, etc) and I understand the difference between the scenarios.

P.S.
And when I said, "ask a mod to lock it," I'm talking about a friendly little PM asking for it to be locked.
Posted by: CamCamm
Posted by: cortana 5
Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Do you absolutely need to know why an OP wants his/her thread locked?
That's the thing. It's not your thread anymore, sweetheart.
I feel you're wrong, sweetheart.The fact of the matter is, and people of higher standing have said it before, that once you hit "submit," the thread is not your property. It's not your thread.

Sure, you can ask for a moderator to lock it. But if they decide that it still has value and doesn't merit locking, then tough -blam!-. It annoys the hell out of me when people post legitimate threads, get an answer, then ask for it to be locked.
I've been told my numerous mod's that once the original poster deletes the original post and asks for the thread to be locked... it gets locked.
Why? To prevent anymore confusion. Period.

It's perpetually my time of the month and I'm just grouchy. Quote me on that.
Posted by: sharpace77
You need to post more often Cortana. You seem to have a way of eloquently putting the peons in their place.


[Edited on 01.25.2012 11:31 PM PST]

  • 01.25.2012 11:30 PM PDT

Posted by: The Kangol Kid
It was then that I decided he really is like semen(everywhere) and I gave up on life.


zoobkillerninja <3

Posted by: cortana 5
Defacing the OP with "LOCK PLZ" kinda destroys the thread, and, yes, leaving it up would just create confusion. Going through the hassle of trying to get the OP to put the content back in their post would just be a waste of time and energy.

But my argument here isn't about any fault on the mods' part. I'm talking about the thread creator and how it's selfish to destroy any value that the thread had in the first place by deleting the OP.
Unfortunately...

if there is an option to edit the OP, deleting everything
and an option to have your thread locked by request?
People will do it.

They have the right to have their thread locked just as much as they have the right to create one.

  • 01.25.2012 11:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
Cortana 5 is a carbon-based lifeform that frequently visits these forums, currently residing in the United States. Practically every male on the site responds to her posts.

The Joyeuse IP Formula

I'm not denying the fact that people have the ability to deface their own thread. I'm just saying that I think they're making themselves look like idiots when they do.

I wouldn't say that they have a right to have their thread locked. As defined by this site's policies, what you post here is not your property. If it's not your property, then you don't have the luxury of just locking it willy-nilly. That's not saying that you can't ask for it to be locked. But there are drawbacks to deleting the OP just to get it locked.

Legalities aside, I stand by my statement that it takes away from the forum when you deface your thread just to get it locked because you're not satisfied with the amount or direction of the discussion.

Let me repeat myself:
Regardless of whether or not one has the ability to deface the thread they created, I believe that it makes the OP look selfish for deleting the opportunity for discussion and distribution of knowledge/answers/help that the thread created.
Posted by: CamCam
Posted by: cortana 5
Defacing the OP with "LOCK PLZ" kinda destroys the thread, and, yes, leaving it up would just create confusion. Going through the hassle of trying to get the OP to put the content back in their post would just be a waste of time and energy.

But my argument here isn't about any fault on the mods' part. I'm talking about the thread creator and how it's selfish to destroy any value that the thread had in the first place by deleting the OP.
Unfortunately...

if there is an option to edit the OP, deleting everything
and an option to have your thread locked by request?
People will do it.

They have the right to have their thread locked just as much as they have the right to create one.

  • 01.25.2012 11:45 PM PDT

Posted by: The Kangol Kid
It was then that I decided he really is like semen(everywhere) and I gave up on life.


zoobkillerninja <3

Thank goodness this is just a request.

  • 01.25.2012 11:50 PM PDT

Citizens of Me! The cruelty of the old Pharaoh is a thing of the past. Let a whole new wave of cruelty wash over this lazy land.

Hear the word of Pharaoh. Build unto me a statue of ridiculous proportion. One billion cubits in height......that I might be remembered for all eternity!

And be quick about it!

Ughh, I wish people did that more...

  • 01.26.2012 12:03 AM PDT

Basically, I make the best topics ever.

Feedback!
Duardo: This thread is locked for being stupid.
cortana 5 : It's perpetually my time of the month and I'm just grouchy.
Foman: I see absolutely no reason, either theoretical or practical, that this is not a superb idea. Excellent work, my friend.

Posted by: cortana 5
It's perpetually my time of the month and I'm just grouchy. Quote me on that.
Posted by: sharpace77
You need to post more often Cortana. You seem to have a way of eloquently putting the peons in their place.
I'm not sure when or where, but I am positive that there will come a point in time when this quote is in dire need.

OT: I don't understand where the argument here is. I personally don't think the OP should ever be edited with "PLZ LOCK MISTEAKS MAED HEAR!," but dmg is simply asking that someone quote the OP in preparation for the point when the OP is replaced. I really don't think this is too much of a request, no matter your beliefs on the issue of the OP editing.

  • 01.26.2012 12:04 AM PDT

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