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Subject: Xim3

Just thought it might be something PC FPS players might be interested in. I bought one a few months ago mainly for Halo and love it. I HATE Dual analogs: www.xim3.com

  • 01.27.2012 2:37 PM PDT

For console use maybe. I'm not bothered about what I use, m+k's awesome and I wouldn't trade it for anything in PC FPS (well, except a controller in H2V thanks to the massive aim assist..) but I can also use a controller so I'm fine with it on consoles.

But i do see it's use to other gamers however.

Just a word of note, this shouldn't be posted in this forum because it's not directly related to Halo 1 and 2 PC. Try to remember that next time :)

  • 01.27.2012 3:29 PM PDT
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I was considering getting this at one point... The only problem is that I've heard it acts a lot like how Halo 2 Vista's mouse control was. That being more of an emulated mouse feel instead of an actual mouse feel. That has deterred me from buying it for now along with the fact it could easily be considered cheating. It's not really fair to have a m/k on a FPS where everyone has controllers by default... I would see it as fine if Microsoft mass produced officially supposed mouse/keyboard input devices, though...

If I ever got the chance to try it out I would consider it... The thing is that it's way too expensive ($150 USD) for someone to take a gamble on. Well, it is for someone that's as conservative as I am with my money. It feels like I'm just throwing money into the wind if it turns out to be a piece of crap. (Which I've heard half the people love it while the other half hate it so that means my chances aren't that great...)

Also, Wilis is right. While it does make sense that many PC gamers are very interested in this for console exclusives, it doesn't really belong in this forum seeing as though it has no direct connection with Halo: Combat Evolved PC or Halo 2 Vista.

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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Kb/m + aim assist puts you at a MASSIVE unintended advantage over those who play console titles the way they were meant to be played. I've reported every single XIM3 user I've ever come across for cheating, because technically, that's exactly what it is. If you want kb/m precision, play on the platform that allows everyone to use it legitimately.

  • 01.27.2012 7:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: DusK
Kb/m + aim assist
XIM3 actually keeps the aim assist in with the mouse support? I thought one of the things it did was get rid of aim assist... Hmm...

  • 01.27.2012 8:14 PM PDT

Posted by: DusK
Kb/m + aim assist puts you at a MASSIVE unintended advantage over those who play console titles the way they were meant to be played. I've reported every single XIM3 user I've ever come across for cheating, because technically, that's exactly what it is. If you want kb/m precision, play on the platform that allows everyone to use it legitimately.

You have obvious trouble understanding what the definition of cheating actually is. Ignoring that Halo's magnetic reticule actually causes more problems with translation than it helps aim, your abusing the report form is the only behavior that is technically in violation of Xbox LIVE's Terms of Use. Third-party controllers, XIM3 included, are greenlighted for use over LIVE and only individual publishers/developers can decide whether or not to police them in their individual games' matchmaking. Read your customer agreements again and pick up a dictionary while you're at it, as you're woefully uninformed on the matter.

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  • 01.28.2012 11:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: XIM OrkoYeah, I thought you guys were translating it to void the aim assist.

If it doesn't work as efficiently as a mouse on a PC and controllers have aim assist, I hardly see how it is report worthy at all. Saying that it's cheating to have that contradicts the feeling that having a 360 controller on Halo 2 Vista is cheating due to aim assist.

[Edited on 01.28.2012 12:12 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2012 12:09 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.


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Posted by: DusK
Kb/m + aim assist puts you at a MASSIVE unintended advantage over those who play console titles the way they were meant to be played. I've reported every single XIM3 user I've ever come across for cheating, because technically, that's exactly what it is. If you want kb/m precision, play on the platform that allows everyone to use it legitimately.

You have obvious trouble understanding what the definition of cheating actually is. Ignoring that Halo's magnetic reticule actually causes more problems with translation than it helps aim, your abusing the report form is the only behavior that is technically in violation of Xbox LIVE's Terms of Use. Third-party controllers, XIM3 included, are greenlighted for use over LIVE and only individual publishers/developers can decide whether or not to police them in their individual games' matchmaking. Read your customer agreements again and pick up a dictionary while you're at it, as you're woefully uninformed on the matter.


Ahem.

Cheating in video games involves a video game player using non-standard methods for creating an advantage beyond normal gameplay
Sounds familiar, right?

You are right about one thing though; the XBL ToS says you can use XIM3. But all that proves is that MS doesn't know crap about what's good for online gaming. And their ToS is definitely not the only time they've shown that.

It's cheating by the very definition you told me, the "uninformed" person, to look up. Plain and simple. It doesn't matter if MS allows it; All that means is that they're totally cool with players cheating on XBL. What a shock, right?

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  • 01.28.2012 7:10 PM PDT
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Technically, DusK, it is against the ToS to report people for things that MS doesn't consider to be report worthy. In that sense you shouldn't be reporting people for it. It's not about what you see as cheating, it's about what they see as cheating no matter how misguided they are in their judgments.

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  • 01.28.2012 9:20 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

To be honest, that sort of cheating not being against the ToS was news to me. That'll teach me to assume that Microsoft has common sense.

  • 01.28.2012 9:46 PM PDT
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You could turn aim assist off in Halo 2. Can you not do it in the later Halos? I can't remember.

While it might seem to give the player an unfair advantage, I don't think I'd consider it to be cheating.

  • 01.29.2012 6:49 AM PDT

Something smells fishy...

Well my question is: why would Microsoft allow xim3 to be used instead of XBOX controllers? That's soooo very unlike Microsoft to allow external accessories instead of those provide by Microsoft.

Microsoft must be desperate by now. Failure after failure causing unrest in the community. The company must be open to anything.

I mean windows phone was a failure, Zune mp3 players were a failure, Halo 2 for PC was a failure...etc. All they have left is XBOX and the Windows operating system. Microsoft office suites are pretty much phasing out due to Google Docs forcing Microsoft's hand to put the major office features online on Windows Live Skydrive.

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Posted by: Btcc22
You could turn aim assist off in Halo 2. Can you not do it in the later Halos? I can't remember.
You can't. I've tried. :P Unless you mean by modding the game...

[Edited on 01.29.2012 7:25 AM PST]

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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Posted by: Btcc22
While it might seem to give the player an unfair advantage, I don't think I'd consider it to be cheating.

Using non-standard means to give an unfair advantage to one player over another player is the very definition of cheating.

  • 01.29.2012 7:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: DusK
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While it might seem to give the player an unfair advantage, I don't think I'd consider it to be cheating.

Using non-standard means to give an unfair advantage to one player over another player is the very definition of cheating.
Like I said before, didn't you claim that having a 360 controller on Halo 2 Vista was cheating due to aim assist and poor mouse support? If that's true, then you shouldn't also consider Xim3 an unfair advantage. It would essentially be the same scenario.

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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

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While it might seem to give the player an unfair advantage, I don't think I'd consider it to be cheating.

Using non-standard means to give an unfair advantage to one player over another player is the very definition of cheating.
Like I said before, didn't you claim that having a 360 controller on Halo 2 Vista was cheating due to aim assist and poor mouse support? If that's true, then you shouldn't also consider Xim3 an unfair advantage. It would essentially be the same scenario.

H2's different though in that the kb/m controls are gimped and don't perform as well as they should. Not to mention very few games have the level of aim assist H2V has. As such, the input method that actually works properly and has aim assist ends up providing the advantage.

If XIM3 delivers what its site says it does, then it's essentially offering PC game mouse precision + all the stuff coded into individual titles, such as aim assist, vector correction, massive hitboxes, ect, which are overkill for a kb/m setup.

Also this. Even XIM3 users are saying stuff like "PC + Sticky / Assist Aim = Jesus aim. Deal with it." Even they're willing to admit it, so why aren't you?

Show some objectivity here. XIM3 meets all of the qualifications of a cheating device. It's a non-standard method, and provides an advantage to a player that others aren't capable of without it. That's cheating in every sense of the word.

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  • 01.29.2012 8:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: DusK
H2's different though in that the kb/m controls are gimped and don't perform as well as they should. Not to mention very few games have the level of aim assist H2V has.
Like I said, xim3 has gimped kb/m controls similar to Halo 2 Vista. Also, from my experience I've found that aim assist is pretty much the same throughout the Halos. The major difference just being the hitbox size.

So... It still has aim assist with the keyboard/mouse set up? I keep getting confused with this... Anyways, if that's the case, I could see how it's a bit over-powered, but I don't see too much of a problem with it. After all, it's just online matches, not an official tournament. It's not as bad as using an aimbot, but I wouldn't so it's okay for tournament use unless they took off the aim assist and everyone was using it.

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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Posted by: Dr Syx
Like I said, xim3 has gimped kb/m controls similar to Halo 2 Vista.

Are you saying that the XIM3 site is lying when it claims that ST provides "unparalleled mouse precision" and 1-to-1 movement? Because it sounds a lot like you're claiming the XIM3 site is lying when it claims that ST provides "unparalleled mouse precision" and 1-to-1 movement.

Posted by: Dr Syx
Also, from my experience I've found that aim assist is pretty much the same throughout the Halos. The major difference just being the hitbox size.

Looks like someone didn't play CE multiplayer on the Xbox.

Posted by: Dr Syx
So... It still has aim assist with the keyboard/mouse set up? I keep getting confused with this... Anyways, if that's the case, I could see how it's a bit over-powered, but I don't see too much of a problem with it. After all, it's just online matches, not an official tournament. It's not as bad as using an aimbot, but I wouldn't so it's okay for tournament use unless they took off the aim assist and everyone was using it.

This logic sounds extremely familiar, almost as if I'd heard of people being just as supportive of something equally as absurd to be supportive of.

  • 01.29.2012 11:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: DusK
Are you saying that the XIM3 site is lying when it claims that ST provides "unparalleled mouse precision" and 1-to-1 movement?
Well, from what I've heard it has an emulated feel that's not exactly like PC mouse. While it has 1-to-1 movement you can't turn as fast/other various things that would be needed for it to really be the mouse we know and love.

Looks like someone didn't play CE multiplayer on the Xbox.Actually, I did. I did some tests a while back concerning that. They're not really perfect tests, but you can see that they're fairly similar between Combat Evolved/Reach. Don't know about Halo 2.


This logic sounds extremely familiar, almost as if I'd heard of people being just as supportive of something equally as absurd to be supportive of.
Lol really? You're equating having a XIM3 with performance enhancing drugs? Using performance enhancing drugs is terrible for professional athletes or athletes who are in competitive leagues to use due to the idea of cheating with them. That's where it really matters. People aren't showing up to professional tournaments with XIM3s. They're online playing in pubs. If you're taking pub player competitively then that's your problem. Definitely if it's on a console.

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  • 01.29.2012 1:51 PM PDT

Did none of you notice the fact that Xim Orko and the OP were made within one day of each other? And that the OP was only active for one day?

If they've became this desperate with promoting XIM, I don't think you guys will have to worry about it much longer.

[Edited on 01.29.2012 4:34 PM PST]

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Posted by: Tempus Irae
Did none of you notice the fact that Xim Orko and the OP were made within one day of each other?


Yup but it was still interesting to read some of the views.

  • 01.30.2012 4:32 AM PDT


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Posted by: Tempus Irae
Did none of you notice the fact that Xim Orko and the OP were made within one day of each other?


Yup but it was still interesting to read some of the views.


Fair enough. If XIM didn't cost three times the price of a normal controller, I would buy it.

  • 01.30.2012 11:43 AM PDT