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Subject: dual preference
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Poll: dual preference  [closed]
dual SMGs:  38%
(3 Votes)
dual magnums:  12%
(1 Votes)
dual plasma rifles:  12%
(1 Votes)
dual brute plasma rifles:  12%
(1 Votes)
dual needlers:  25%
(2 Votes)
dual plasma pistols:  0%
(0 Votes)
Total Votes: 8

which do you prefer and why? dual magnums for me, those bad boys are lethal when you rapidly alternate shots

  • 01.28.2012 2:53 AM PDT

Since there's no dual swords option, I voted for dual SMGs.

  • 01.28.2012 7:22 AM PDT
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I really don't like the idea of Dual-Wielding anyways :/ I found it broke a lot of balance with the weapons seeing as though only a few combinations really did the trick and you never found those combinations sitting conveniently next to each other. I still feel it's best just to have all the weapons balanced out as a single weapon.

If I had to choose which weapons I like dual wielded, I'd choose dual SMGs. Sometimes I just like going Rambo. :P

[Edited on 01.28.2012 8:25 AM PST]

  • 01.28.2012 8:17 AM PDT

Something smells fishy...

Dual magnums in H2V OP? I'm not trying to offend you but how does that work for you? The magnum went from powerful and useful in Halo Combat Evolved to powerless and ineffective in Halo 2.

I guess I'm doubting that dual magnums in Halo 2 will have much effect. You're open to say otherwise but I would have much difficulty believing you.

  • 01.28.2012 8:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
Dual magnums in H2V OP?
I don't see where he said they were "Over-Powered". All he said was that they're lethal when you have good alternating shots.

They can kill quite fast while dual-wielded. I do believe they can kill faster than a 4-shot Battle Rifle. The RoF is insane.

[Edited on 01.28.2012 11:13 AM PST]

  • 01.28.2012 11:11 AM PDT

Nice to see a thread like this pop up now and again. For Halo 2 Legendary, a combination of plasma pistol/rifle + SMG is what I usually dual wield. Dual plasma rifles on a Xbox 360 controller almost hurts my hand with the damn vibration xD

  • 01.28.2012 12:42 PM PDT

I'm not sure to be honest. I tend to avoid dual wielding altogether. The novelty of it wore off very quickly when Halo 2 was released after I found that the BR and Carbine were arguably the most effective weapons (to me at least) not including heavy weapons like the Sniper, Sword and Rocket.

But if I had to choose, It would be the SMG/Plasma Rifle combo. That used to tear through another players shields like no tomorrow.

  • 01.28.2012 2:27 PM PDT

Something smells fishy...

Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
Dual magnums in H2V OP?
I don't see where he said they were "Over-Powered". All he said was that they're lethal when you have good alternating shots.

They can kill quite fast while dual-wielded. I do believe they can kill faster than a 4-shot Battle Rifle. The RoF is insane.

Okay. My point is that the magnum pistol in Halo 2 is not very effective so it doesn't matter how you use it.

If some one has a shotgun or a sniper rifle or a battle rifle you don't have a chance against them (considering they know how to play) using dual Halo 2 magnum pistols.

  • 01.28.2012 4:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
Okay. My point is that the magnum pistol in Halo 2 is not very effective so it doesn't matter how you use it.

If some one has a shotgun or a sniper rifle or a battle rifle you don't have a chance against them (considering they know how to play) using dual Halo 2 magnum pistols.
Actually, the shotgun has incredibly short range so that weapon is also low-powered.

When dual-wielding the h2 magnums, like I said, you can kill someone faster than a Battle Rifle. You could kill someone faster with a sniper rifle (but, then again, that's the fastest way to kill anyone on any of the Halos) but you'd most likely have to no scope to do it seeing as though the guy with dual magnums would be spraying you with bullets. That would leave you without the precious auto-aim that makes it so easy to aim as well. ;D

They do have their advantages, but when compared to the Halo: Combat Evolved pistol they're not that strong. At least when compared as a single utility weapon which the Halo 2 magnums are not meant to be. That job was taken by the Battle Rifle in the later games.

[Edited on 01.28.2012 9:27 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2012 9:26 PM PDT

Something smells fishy...

Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
Okay. My point is that the magnum pistol in Halo 2 is not very effective so it doesn't matter how you use it.

If some one has a shotgun or a sniper rifle or a battle rifle you don't have a chance against them (considering they know how to play) using dual Halo 2 magnum pistols.
Actually, the shotgun has incredibly short range so that weapon is also low-powered.

When dual-wielding the h2 magnums, like I said, you can kill someone faster than a Battle Rifle. You could kill someone faster with a sniper rifle (but, then again, that's the fastest way to kill anyone on any of the Halos) but you'd most likely have to no scope to do it seeing as though the guy with dual magnums would be spraying you with bullets. That would leave you without the precious auto-aim that makes it so easy to aim as well. ;D

In my experience if you spray bullets with the pistol in Halo 2 (PC) you miss a lot more than if you fire at a slower pace. And even then your opponent ends up getting in close enough to melee you or kill you with a medium or close range weapon.

Posted by: Dr Syx
They do have their advantages, but when compared to the Halo: Combat Evolved pistol they're not that strong. At least when compared as a single utility weapon which the Halo 2 magnums are not meant to be. That job was taken by the Battle Rifle in the later games.

I agree with you the Halo 2 (PC) pistol in comparison to the Halo Combat Evolved (PC) pistol is weak. And I also agree that the battle rifle took the place of the pistol.

I believed that when Bunige replaced the Halo Combat Evolved (PC) pistol with the less powerful but still efficient battle rifle, in Halo 2 (PC), as an effective medium to long range weapon Bungie was trying to better balance the gameplay of Halo. But that did not turn out to be the case.

The power of the pistol in Halo Combat Evolved (PC) was too great and its power had to be reduced in order to bring back the importance of other weapons. However Bungie didn't just reduce the power of the pistol it made it almost unimportant and assuming its place of importance was the battle rifle. I believe the motives behind that decision were to reduce the separation between players during battle and reduce the player dependency on the pistol. Halo Combat Evolved (PC) spread the combat out too far. Bungie decided to bring the combat closer in by vastly reducing the power of the pistol making it nearly obsolete. That's not balancing the gameplay that's essentially reducing a weapon to near extinction and replacing it with another.






[Edited on 01.28.2012 11:38 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2012 11:31 PM PDT

Dual Brute Plasma Rifles.

Now, and forever.

  • 01.29.2012 4:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
You're open to say otherwise but I would have much difficulty believing you.
you've never tried firing dual magnums rapidly at a target?

  • 01.29.2012 5:51 PM PDT
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I think you're still comparing it to the Halo: Combat Evolved Pistol. You see, in reality, the Magnum fit an entirely new role. It was NEVER meant to be a stand alone weapon. It's terrible in that regard. It was meant to be a dual-wield weapon. One of the best uses on the H2 pistol would be with the Plasma Pistol. The original, and intended, form of the "noob combo".

I get the feeling you've never really tried to use dual magnums on Halo 2. They're hard to use, but if you rapid fire at an enemy, hitting every shot, it is extremely deadly.

  • 01.29.2012 6:48 PM PDT

Something smells fishy...

Posted by: Dr Syx
I think you're still comparing it to the Halo: Combat Evolved Pistol. You see, in reality, the Magnum fit an entirely new role. It was NEVER meant to be a stand alone weapon. It's terrible in that regard. It was meant to be a dual-wield weapon. One of the best uses on the H2 pistol would be with the Plasma Pistol. The original, and intended, form of the "noob combo".

Why can't I compare and contrast it to the Halo Combat Evolved pistol?

Why was it not meant to be a stand alone weapon? All the other weapons are effective on their own. Why can't you have an effective pistol that does enough damage on its own? It doesn't have to be a super weapon but at least it could be effective on its own.

If you need to dual wield it in order for it to be effective than it's not a good weapon in my opinion. Essentially if it's not enough on its own than why have it available?

Posted by: Dr Syx
I get the feeling you've never really tried to use dual magnums on Halo 2. They're hard to use, but if you rapid fire at an enemy, hitting every shot, it is extremely deadly.

You have to hit every shot even with it dual wielded? That's absurd in my opinion. That would be hard to use.

You're right I've never tried it because it seems pointless to me. Other dual combinations are much more effective in comparison. Like dual Needlers, SMG and Plasma Pistol, Sniper rifle and shotgun...etc.


[Edited on 01.29.2012 10:21 PM PST]

  • 01.29.2012 10:14 PM PDT

Something smells fishy...

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Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
You're open to say otherwise but I would have much difficulty believing you.
you've never tried firing dual magnums rapidly at a target?

I'm an honest person so I'll be honest and say I haven't. But I've tried using one and it feels like I'm shooting bb's at shielded Spartans.

  • 01.29.2012 10:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
Why can't I compare and contrast it to the Halo Combat Evolved pistol?
Because the Halo: Combat Evolved's Pistol is the utility weapon. That's what the Battle Rifle is on Halo 2. Just because it looks like it's a similar gun doesn't mean that it acts like a similar gun. There are no guns in Halo: Combat Evolved you can truly compare to the Halo 2 pistol. It's a bit shallow to think "Well, these two guns are considered 'pistols' in these games so obviously they're the ones I ought to compare." when they're obviously not when you look at it from a gameplay stand point.

Why was it not meant to be a stand alone weapon?Because it was a part of the "Dual-Wield" scheme they built around Halo 2. All the other weapons are effective on their own. Why can't you have an effective pistol that does enough damage on its own? It doesn't have to be a super weapon but at least it could be effective on its own.That's not entirely true. The Plasma Rifle, the Plasma Pistol, and the Needler were not viable on their own in the least. In every case where they're useful they depend on another weapon. That's because, just like the pistol, they are a part of the "Dual-Wield" scheme in Halo 2.

If you need to dual wield it in order for it to be effective than it's not a good weapon in my opinion. Essentially if it's not enough on its own than why have it available?It's not a good weapon by it's self. You're thinking of it too much like Halo: Combat Evolved's balance where absolutely every gun was supposed to be used separately. In Halo 2 there were two main classes. Dual-Wields and Single Wields. Dual-Wields were terrible by themselves. (Except for the SMG in certain situations... It wasn't completely useless, but it still wasn't ideal for single wield combat.)

You have to hit every shot even with it dual wielded? That's absurd in my opinion. That would be hard to use.It's your reward for aiming accurately. It's meant to be "Hard". More things in Halo should have been "Hard".

You're right I've never tried it because it seems pointless to me. Other dual combinations are much more effective in comparison. Like dual Needlers, SMG and Plasma Pistol, Sniper rifle and shotgun...etc.So... You think you have enough knowledge on this subject to discredit someone's opinion when you've never even attempted to do what the person is doing? Sounds a tad silly to me.

[Edited on 01.29.2012 11:38 PM PST]

  • 01.29.2012 11:26 PM PDT


Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
Why can't I compare and contrast it to the Halo Combat Evolved pistol?[/quote]Because the Halo: Combat Evolved's Pistol is the utility weapon. That's what the Battle Rifle is on Halo 2. Just because it looks like it's a similar gun doesn't mean that it acts like a similar gun. There are no guns in Halo: Combat Evolved you can truly compare to the Halo 2 pistol. It's a bit shallow to think "Well, these two guns are considered 'pistols' in these games so obviously they're the ones I ought to compare." when they're obviously not when you look at it from a gameplay stand point.



Have you ever read someone describing the taste of a food you enjoy greatly, and then got a sudden craving for that food? Yeah, I suddenly want to shoot the H1 pistol, over and over again.

  • 01.30.2012 3:57 AM PDT

Something smells fishy...

Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
Why can't I compare and contrast it to the Halo Combat Evolved pistol?

Posted by: Dr Syx
Because the Halo: Combat Evolved's Pistol is the utility weapon. That's what the Battle Rifle is on Halo 2. Just because it looks like it's a similar gun doesn't mean that it acts like a similar gun. There are no guns in Halo: Combat Evolved you can truly compare to the Halo 2 pistol. It's a bit shallow to think "Well, these two guns are considered 'pistols' in these games so obviously they're the ones I ought to compare." when they're obviously not when you look at it from a gameplay stand point.

Naturally one would think that since there are pistols in both games that they could be compared. But in performing the comparison one realizes that one is stronger and the other is weaker. You're right that by a gameplay stand point the two pistols are no longer comparable because one's former duties are assigned to another. That other being being the battle rifle. We agree on that.

Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
Why was it not meant to be a stand alone weapon?


Posted by: Dr Syx
Because it was a part of the "Dual-Wield" scheme they built around Halo 2.

Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
All the other weapons are effective on their own. Why can't you have an effective pistol that does enough damage on its own? It doesn't have to be a super weapon but at least it could be effective on its own.


Posted by: Dr Syx
That's not entirely true. The Plasma Rifle, the Plasma Pistol, and the Needler were not viable on their own in the least. In every case where they're useful they depend on another weapon. That's because, just like the pistol, they are a part of the "Dual-Wield" scheme in Halo 2.

Fine. If all those weapons were meant to be dual wielded then that's fine.

Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
If you need to dual wield it in order for it to be effective than it's not a good weapon in my opinion. Essentially if it's not enough on its own than why have it available?


Posted by: Dr Syx
It's not a good weapon by it's self. You're thinking of it too much like Halo: Combat Evolved's balance where absolutely every gun was supposed to be used separately. In Halo 2 there were two main classes. Dual-Wields and Single Wields. Dual-Wields were terrible by themselves. (Except for the SMG in certain situations... It wasn't completely useless, but it still wasn't ideal for single wield combat.)
Well in my opinion I don't like that you have to dual wield certain weapons for them to be effective. They at least should've been designed to be relatively effective on their own.

You have to hit every shot even with it dual wielded? That's absurd in my opinion. That would be hard to use.It's your reward for aiming accurately. It's meant to be "Hard". More things in Halo should have been "Hard".

[quote]Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
You're right I've never tried it because it seems pointless to me. Other dual combinations are much more effective in comparison. Like dual Needlers, SMG and Plasma Pistol, Sniper rifle and shotgun...etc.


[quote]Posted by: Dr Syx
So... You think you have enough knowledge on this subject to discredit someone's opinion when you've never even attempted to do what the person is doing? Sounds a tad silly to me.

I'm absolutely NOT discrediting anyone else's opinion. I'm NOT saying that that my opinions are absolute truths. I'm stating my opinion that's it. I'm saying it seams pointless to ME to dual wield halo 2 pistols. That doesn't mean it's pointless to YOU. I guess that's the last time I open up and be honest like a man on this stupid forum. Why am I even trying to be decent? I should've known to not get involved.

[Edited on 01.30.2012 9:55 AM PST]

  • 01.30.2012 9:52 AM PDT
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Naturally one would think that since there are pistols in both games that they could be compared. But in performing the comparison one realizes that one is stronger and the other is weaker. You're right that by a gameplay stand point the two pistols are no longer comparable because one's former duties are assigned to another. That other being being the battle rifle. We agree on that.Exactly. It's more like they brought a new weapon into the Halo universe then transformed the Pistol into the Battle Rifle. I, of course, believe it was a mistake, though. (Like I stated originally, I dislike the dual-wielded scheme)

I'm absolutely NOT discrediting anyone else's opinion. I'm NOT saying that that my opinions are absolute truths. I'm stating my opinion that's it. I'm saying it seams pointless to ME to dual wield halo 2 pistols. That doesn't mean it's pointless to YOU. I guess that's the last time I open up and be honest like a man on this stupid forum. Why am I even trying to be decent? I should've known to not get involved. I didn't really mean to be offensive by that. I just meant that it's a little silly for someone to share their opinion when they've never really had experience with it themselves. I never mean to be offensive. Sadly, I often come across as that. I'm sorry about that.

Posted by: Tempus Irae
Have you ever read someone describing the taste of a food you enjoy greatly, and then got a sudden craving for that food? Yeah, I suddenly want to shoot the H1 pistol, over and over again.
I do believe that's the reason I get on Halo PC still \:D/

[Edited on 01.30.2012 10:05 AM PST]

  • 01.30.2012 10:02 AM PDT

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SMG On the right, Pistol on the left

  • 01.30.2012 10:17 AM PDT

Something smells fishy...

Posted by: Dr Syx
Naturally one would think that since there are pistols in both games that they could be compared. But in performing the comparison one realizes that one is stronger and the other is weaker. You're right that by a gameplay stand point the two pistols are no longer comparable because one's former duties are assigned to another. That other being being the battle rifle. We agree on that.Exactly. It's more like they brought a new weapon into the Halo universe then transformed the Pistol into the Battle Rifle. I, of course, believe it was a mistake, though. (Like I stated originally, I dislike the dual-wielded scheme)

I'm absolutely NOT discrediting anyone else's opinion. I'm NOT saying that that my opinions are absolute truths. I'm stating my opinion that's it. I'm saying it seams pointless to ME to dual wield halo 2 pistols. That doesn't mean it's pointless to YOU. I guess that's the last time I open up and be honest like a man on this stupid forum. Why am I even trying to be decent? I should've known to not get involved. I didn't really mean to be offensive by that. I just meant that it's a little silly for someone to share their opinion when they've never really had experience with it themselves. I never mean to be offensive. Sadly, I often come across as that. I'm sorry about that.

Posted by: Tempus Irae
Have you ever read someone describing the taste of a food you enjoy greatly, and then got a sudden craving for that food? Yeah, I suddenly want to shoot the H1 pistol, over and over again.
I do believe that's the reason I get on Halo PC still \:D/

Sorry I overreacted. My Bad.

  • 01.31.2012 5:54 PM PDT
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Nah, it's okay xD I should have been clearer with things as well. Don't worry about it.

  • 01.31.2012 5:55 PM PDT
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fair enough Barnacle_Blast if you don't think dual magnums are effective, what do you think about dual SMGs?

  • 02.01.2012 8:56 PM PDT

Something smells fishy...

Posted by: path1k
fair enough Barnacle_Blast if you don't think dual magnums are effective, what do you think about dual SMGs?

Sorry, but I honestly don't care about this anymore...

  • 02.01.2012 9:04 PM PDT
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  • 02.01.2012 9:11 PM PDT