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Subject: The Fundamentals of Halo: How 343 can make Halo 4 Good
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Ive played every single Halo and gathered what I believe are the elements that make Halo Halo.

1. Large Arenas

If you ever played the first halo or Anniversary at least you know that their were some pretty large campaign arenas, however ever since Halo 2 came out it has favored corridors and close proximity with the exception of ODST of course which gave you a friggin city.


2. Tough Enemies

This one kind of goes without saying

3. Large Battles

You remember playing Halo for the first time and walking outside the crouded corridors and there was this giant field ... good times. I remember playing anniversary on the level the two betrayals and I just finnished fighting through this narrow corridor and Im outside and I see the flood and covie factions. I stood by and watched the battle not even bothering to intervene until the flood inevitably won, and it was awesome.

4. Compelling Story

This is where Reach fails miserably, and I know what your thinking "well of course it was borring you dumb -blam!-, we knew how it was gunna end" well to that I say "-blam!- off" and also "That is no excuse" The story behind ODST was that a lost marine has to go find the remnents of his squad. It sounds so borring on paper but then bungie took that opportunity and filled it with GREAT characters, and Sadie's story. What Im saying is that they made ODST about the characters and that aspect which could have been great about Reach was missing, and thats why 343 need to focus on it.

5. Fun Vehicle levels

Again, goes without saying, but this aspect felt missing from reach.

6. Competitive Mutliplayer

Yet another aspect missing from Reach. *zips up flamesuit* And Basically what I mean is that, when Halo came out people would carry their entire freakin xbox over to their friends house to play, and people actually played each other online before xbox live was even around. With the launch of Halo 2 and 3 and Xbox live Halo was number 1 in hours spent on xbox live multiplayer but with the launch of reach little after a year it was already down at number 8. Im not going to say its uncompetitive do to my particular taste because first I believe that the statistic speaks for itself

Everything though at the end of the day is just opinion and none of it matters really, except that Halo 4 turns out to be as good as we need it to be.

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[Edited on 01.28.2012 3:00 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2012 1:41 PM PDT

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  • 01.28.2012 1:42 PM PDT

Posted by: Darkside Eric
So basically... Waypoint is pro-vanilla?

Posted by: Sentox6
Waypoint isn't pro-anything so much as they're just anti-intelligence.

How to make Halo 4 good: Keep Reach's netcode, scrap everything else.

  • 01.28.2012 1:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

Enemies that are hard to fight =/= Damage sponges

Make the enemies use cover and fight smart, not just take clip after clip with no effect.

The Reach Elites are so much dumber than the CE elites because of this principle of making them damage sponges.

  • 01.28.2012 1:45 PM PDT


Posted by: RC Clone
Enemies that are hard to fight =/= Damage sponges

Make the enemies use cover and fight smart, not just take clip after clip with no effect.

The Reach Elites are so much dumber than the CE elites because of this principle of making them damage sponges.

Never realized that.. You have enlightened me.

  • 01.28.2012 1:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: RC Clone
Enemies that are hard to fight =/= Damage sponges

Make the enemies use cover and fight smart, not just take clip after clip with no effect.

The Reach Elites are so much dumber than the CE elites because of this principle of making them damage sponges.
Indeed

  • 01.28.2012 1:49 PM PDT

Also, find a newer material to make vehicles out of.. Reach has proved that paper mache did not work.

  • 01.28.2012 1:50 PM PDT

Name's John. I'm a 21-year-old firefighter/EMT from lolhio who doubles as a die-hard Halo fan. I've been enjoying the franchise since 2001. My favorite iteration of Halo would have to be Halo 2 simply because I never got to experience the joy of a full-on Halo: CE LAN.


If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Oh yeah, and boot Zome.

At this point, I'm holding out little hope for Halo 4. Waypoint forums are a cesspool of idiocy and ignorance. Too bad theirs are the only voices 343 doesn't edit/ban. Retarded ideas prevail there.

  • 01.28.2012 1:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Ruckus 2010
At this point, I'm holding out little hope for Halo 4. Waypoint forums are a cesspool of idiocy and ignorance. Too bad theirs are the only voices 343 doesn't edit/ban. Retarded ideas prevail there.

  • 01.28.2012 1:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wumpa Warrior
Also, find a newer material to make vehicles out of.. Reach has proved that paper mache did not work.
wait... you mean to tell that that forklift was paper mache. Props to you bungie for making the funnest vehicle in the game out of paper mache.

  • 01.28.2012 2:06 PM PDT
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So why have you posted on here and not on 343's site?

  • 01.28.2012 2:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.


Posted by: wcd45
So why have you posted on here and not on 343's site?

This forum has more people than all the 343 forums.

  • 01.28.2012 2:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: RC Clone

Posted by: wcd45
So why have you posted on here and not on 343's site?

This forum has more people than all the 343 forums.

  • 01.28.2012 2:54 PM PDT

Wasn't this posted on The Flood earlier...

  • 01.28.2012 2:58 PM PDT

You should be able to do a handstand and from that position do a back flip in Halo 4.

  • 01.28.2012 2:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.


Posted by: Dustofsaturn
You should be able to do a handstand and from that position do a back flip in Halo 4.

Only if this requires button combinations to pull off.

  • 01.28.2012 5:21 PM PDT

All I have to say on this matter.

  • 01.28.2012 5:26 PM PDT
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Sometimes, I dream about cheese.

all i ask is that they make the pistol like more like the Halo 2 or Halo 3: ODST pistol. high ROF/low damage is the way to go in close range not low ROF/high damage.

  • 01.28.2012 5:27 PM PDT


Posted by: path1k
all i ask is that they make the pistol like more like the Halo 2 or Halo 3: ODST pistol. high ROF/low damage is the way to go in close range not low ROF/high damage.

Or not. Because those Pistols are virtually useless (try using the ODST Pistol on Brutes on Heroic).

  • 01.28.2012 5:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.


Posted by: ThreeSixXero

Posted by: path1k
all i ask is that they make the pistol like more like the Halo 2 or Halo 3: ODST pistol. high ROF/low damage is the way to go in close range not low ROF/high damage.

Or not. Because those Pistols are virtually useless (try using the ODST Pistol on Brutes on Heroic).

lol weak pistols.

  • 01.28.2012 5:29 PM PDT


Posted by: The Ruckus 2010
At this point, I'm holding out little hope for Halo 4. Waypoint forums are a cesspool of idiocy and ignorance. Too bad theirs are the only voices 343 doesn't edit/ban. Retarded ideas prevail there.

  • 01.28.2012 5:30 PM PDT

Hi.

Main things I care about:
-Crisp, quick, and responsive movement traits
-Master Chief (check)
-Good art style (check)
-A general pace that is equal to or greater than that of Halo 2's

And lol at using their forums as any form of judgement (even though the "horrible condition" of them is vastly exaggerated).

[Edited on 01.28.2012 5:33 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2012 5:32 PM PDT
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Sometimes, I dream about cheese.


Posted by: ThreeSixXero

Posted by: path1k
all i ask is that they make the pistol like more like the Halo 2 or Halo 3: ODST pistol. high ROF/low damage is the way to go in close range not low ROF/high damage.

Or not. Because those Pistols are virtually useless (try using the ODST Pistol on Brutes on Heroic).
thats because it's not a, how should i say straight forward weapon like the rocket launcher or AR: aim and shoot. you're suppose to use it with a plasma rifle/plasma pistol to break their shield first

the Halo 2 pistol was a beaty when dual wielding however, those things are lethal when you rapidly alternate between shots

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  • 01.28.2012 5:38 PM PDT


Posted by: path1k

Posted by: ThreeSixXero

Posted by: path1k
all i ask is that they make the pistol like more like the Halo 2 or Halo 3: ODST pistol. high ROF/low damage is the way to go in close range not low ROF/high damage.

Or not. Because those Pistols are virtually useless (try using the ODST Pistol on Brutes on Heroic).
thats because it's not a, how should i say straight forward like the rocket launcher or AR: aim and shoot. you're suppose to use it with a plasma rifle/plasma pistol to break their shield first

SMH
Kids today.

Posted by: path1k
the Halo 2 pistol was a beaty when dual wielding however, those things are lethal when you rapidly alternate between shots

Dual-wielding is a joke.

[Edited on 01.28.2012 5:40 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2012 5:39 PM PDT
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Sometimes, I dream about cheese.


Posted by: ThreeSixXero
Dual-wielding is a joke.
ah, so be it

  • 01.28.2012 5:40 PM PDT

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