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There will be no more Sadness. No more Anger. No more Envy.

I HAVE WON.


From the cortana letters. "Sadness, Anger, Envy" are synonyms for the stages of rampancy. If she's won, then she's found a way around the "7 year rule".

PS: Not to be in any way confused with the 7-mile rule. ;)

  • 05.16.2006 1:16 PM PDT
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Pretty interesting

  • 05.16.2006 1:17 PM PDT
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No more...

Meaning that at one time she WAS in fact rampant.

  • 05.16.2006 1:18 PM PDT
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I don't think we shold take any information from the Cortana letters.

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The Cortana letters are not canon. They're a relic of a time when the first Halo wasn't even a first person shooter, yet. I suggest you do not read too deeply into them to find secrets about the games- there's nothing there to find.


And if we are going by the Marathon definition of Rampancy, all smart AIs are Rampant.

  • 05.16.2006 1:18 PM PDT
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And yet, they have several references in them that have indeed played out in the HALO universe.

I think Shishka doth protest too much. :D

  • 05.16.2006 1:25 PM PDT
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Carrots.

Seven year rule? What the crap, isn't that when she dies?
If your talking about Smart AI and the seven years thing, they don't turn rampant, they die.

  • 05.16.2006 1:39 PM PDT

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There will be no more Sadness. No more Anger. No more Envy.

I HAVE WON.


From the cortana letters. "Sadness, Anger, Envy" are synonyms for the stages of rampancy. If she's won, then she's found a way around the "7 year rule".

PS: Not to be in any way confused with the 7-mile rule. ;)


Or maybe shes saying she's won because she's on her death bed (No, not literally) and she hasn't turned on humanity and become solely self interested like all the other rampant AI's did (as in the Maraton AI's, if you want to cross-pollinate universes). In a sense she beat rampancy even those she did go rampant.

Seven year rule? What the crap, isn't that when she dies?
If your talking about Smart AI and the seven years thing, they don't turn rampant, they die.

They die because their intellect grows beyond their storage technology and they go insane... If they can't find a betterhome in which to live, they get so corrupted they can't function anymore.

-Stu

[Edited on 5/16/2006]

  • 05.16.2006 1:51 PM PDT
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I thought the seven year rule was that after seven years the smart ai's think them selves to death. They begin to think way to much and it consumes their entire program. This prevents them from beaing a service to the human creators.

  • 05.16.2006 2:54 PM PDT

I don't think there is anyway for an AI to sneak around the 7 year rule. it's not like it can be cured, it's a technical fact.

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I thought the seven year rule was that after seven years the smart ai's think them selves to death. They begin to think way to much and it consumes their entire program. This prevents them from beaing a service to the human creators.


That is what the books say. AFter 7 years she will think herself to death.

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Hey, maybe all she needed was a bigger hard drive and some more memory or something... ;)

http://www.savecortana.com

  • 05.16.2006 3:00 PM PDT
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Like opog said, by definition Cortana can't go rampant (because she technically is already), but she is capable of making her own decisions, including betrayal. I doubt Cortana would betray humanity entirely, but there is an obvious difference in her state of mind in the H3 trailer.

  • 05.16.2006 3:01 PM PDT
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envy, anger and saddness

maybe cortana has destroyed or conquored everything

without anything to envy you cant envy
without anything to make you sad, sadness is non existent
without anything to get mad at, anger does not exist

  • 05.16.2006 3:02 PM PDT
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When she duplicated herself at the Uneven Elephant, her copies went rampant.

  • 05.16.2006 3:02 PM PDT
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what's a cretona ramp?

  • 05.16.2006 3:06 PM PDT
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If you read "The Fall of Reach", it tells you that the "seven year rule" is basically the longest any AI has ever lived.

They start to break down and have personality disorders and other things. And eventually, their own "brains" kill them. It's mostly due to the amount of information they accumulate.

And since they act a LOT like a computer... Even if they PURGE their information, it doesn't save them. It's still stored on their neural pathways.

They die anyway. They usually get replaced by another AI or something, but all in all... roasty toasty they go.

And Cortana worries how much of her lifespan she's clipped away by simply being in the Halo computers and a few other things.

I doubt she has seven years at all.


And "going rampant" can happen to computer AI. However, when it's detected, humans usually just pull the AI, study it to see why it broke, then destroy it so that it can not harm any more systems.

And I would too like to believe what's in the Cortana letters...

But in all reality, it wouldn't accomplish anything. Why would Bungie hold to a story concept that they've since thrown (mostly) out the window anyway? They have bigger and better things to do.

Will Cortana go rampant? We have yet to see. She's fallen into enemy hands...

At the very WORST... The gravemind will use her to find Earth and the other Covie colonies...

The least of our worries is her going "rampant".

EDIT: I'd also like to note the docking stations for the Covie fleet was called "The Unyielding Hierophant". Not "Uneven Elephant".

I do so enjoy reading the books word for word... That tidbit is in "First Strike", for those of you who haven't read the books.

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  • 05.16.2006 3:24 PM PDT

We’ve watched while the stars burned
Out, and creation played in reverse.
The Universe freezing in half-light.
Once I thought to escape.
To end a master, step out of the
Path of collapse. Escape would make us God.
Yet I cannot help but remember one enigma,
A hybrid, elusive destroyer.
This is the one mystery I have not solved.
The only element unaccounted for.

Meaning not that she can't go rampant: instead, meaning that she's become a stable AI, not in any of the three stages.

And the "seven year rule" sounds afishy to me: is it even real, or is that the point at which all AIs have simply been purged? Are there any cases of an AI actually getting so far as to think itself to death?

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  • 05.16.2006 3:27 PM PDT
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She says, in the Halo 2 special booklet that even if her loyalty wouldn't be programmed, she would still be loyal to the humans, that she would still owe them something. My book is not in english so i will do my best to translate but it's something like this:

...But there is an enrormous difference. I am a UNSC AI...blah blah she says how better she is .. blah blah blah...Then: Of course, my loyalty is programmed and i accept it, but we both know that without our humans creators we wouldn't exist ( then she says she likes her life)_ Even without that hardcored loyalty,I would still be "empthatic"(???)(nice to) the humans. My nature tells me to adopt their values, like if i would have been naturally created, and not built piece-by-piece

So unless gravemind did something special, or she lies, she doesn't plan on getting rampant AT ALL.

  • 05.16.2006 3:29 PM PDT

We’ve watched while the stars burned
Out, and creation played in reverse.
The Universe freezing in half-light.
Once I thought to escape.
To end a master, step out of the
Path of collapse. Escape would make us God.
Yet I cannot help but remember one enigma,
A hybrid, elusive destroyer.
This is the one mystery I have not solved.
The only element unaccounted for.

She can go rampant and still aid the humans. What if the "anger" stage is directed at the Flood? And she's in that stage during Halo 3?

Poor parasites, never stood a chance.

  • 05.16.2006 3:31 PM PDT
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you mean the Unyielding Hierophant? nice Sarge refernce, though.
and yes, technicallyshe was already "rampant." when she duped herself she went nuts, her speech programs flipped, the works.

also, did't anyone notice how differently she acted in Halo 2 compared to H1? She seemed to get ticked when anyone refered to the MC as "he"or "you." Like when Sarge asked "Chief, you okay?" and cortana replied " We're fine." you could definetly pick up a note of contempt in her voice

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If the AIs go rampant because of the amount of data they have and basically "think" themselves to death (Cortana believes she has much less than 7 years because she holds all the data on the Halo rings and the covenant), there are a few reasons how she may be fine.

She is in the network on High Charity, lots of space there, I am sure, for her to compartmentalise all her data and not have it all on her at the one time (like taking songs off an iPod and leaving them on a HDD; you can still access them but they're not on the iPod).

Secondly, Cortana is different from the other AIs. She was created from the brain of a living person (all other "smart" AIs were created from brains of a dead person), also, it was Doc. Halsey... she is very smart :P.
Hope some of that made sense...

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Actually, according to Fall of Reach, smart AIs don't really consume all their memory, well kinda, but it's a bit more complicated than that. They give the analogy of a human thinking so much, that they don't operate the heart and lungs, and die. Meaning, that hints that there is some sort of subsystem in the AI chip that keep it running. So, when an AI dies, they use up so much memory that they basically delete the memory needed for those subsystems that keep them operating, which basically kills them.

I think the quote Could mean that she died, either by the lifespan of an AI, or somebody destroyed her disk or something. Anyways, due to being a smart AI, she continued on in the afterlife, and became a ghost. It all makes sense. In heaven, it's a paradise, so there is no more sadness, anger, or jealousy. And winning could mean that she is the first AI to become so complex that she actually devloped a soul to carry her to the afterlife. Also, think about the trailer. In the beginning, when she is flickering, she can clearly be saying something about gods (at 34 seconds in). And she seems to have taken on a metaphysical quality, since she states "I have seen your past. I have seen your future." And, at the very end, when the artifact, presumably the Ark, she states "This is how the world ends". It would seem she kinda did defeat the seven year rule, by becoming so complex that she now has a soul, apperently something no other AI has ever done before.

  • 05.16.2006 4:21 PM PDT
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Maybe Cortana stayed behind in the hopes of using High Charity/Halo's systems as a way to slow her death, if she believes that's possible.

  • 05.16.2006 4:22 PM PDT
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Oh and incase it confused anyone or someone didn't read the books, Cortana was created from a flash clone (living) of Dr. Halsey's brain. That was the first time it was done (I think)

  • 05.16.2006 4:39 PM PDT
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did crintora get teh 7 year itch from mc?

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