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That's the stupides thing i've ever heard
dumb a.i.'s still think and sometimes there is alot of information on a given subject... if u had a war teacher like oh lets say deja... and how many wars have there been in human history? and how many people in those wars? and how much data in each war can they obtain, she is the governments a.i. so she can hold alot of stuff on her data crystal just about one war that we never know...

all a.i.'s kindof self destruct after seven years no matter whether or not they are dumb
except for cortana
she's special.

  • 05.16.2006 9:36 PM PDT
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(My thoughts) I think this is referring to how Cortana improves the Master Chief's reflexes and accuracy when she is inside his suit. Purely baseless thoery, however.

She also electrocuted that Flood infection form that tried to convert the MC ~_^;

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Even for a teacher like Deja, there is only so much knowledge on warfare and such. It would be fairly easy for a human to comprehend most/all of it without damaging themselves, and thus an AI should be able to as well.

"Smart" AIs, however, aren't bounded by this, and are able to think about mroe complex topics. Which, do you think, is more complex: astrophysics or warfare?

[Edited on 5/16/2006]

  • 05.16.2006 9:37 PM PDT
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Yeah she did electrocute the flood infection form but what does that have to do with what we're talking about and theres no way a human can obsorb all the warfare in our history, we could comphrehend it but a.i.s dont comphrehend it, they learn it/memorize/ obsorb

war is jsut as complex as astrophysics, theres so much to calculate in war, tactics, personnel, rank, enemies, numbers, area, history of area, Language, personality, codes, transmissions, locations of other friendlies
an a.i. could eventually think itsself to death.

and we're getting off topic here... cortana's a smart smart a.i. she's above other smart a.i.s she's different, bungie and eric nylund made her that way, she's a central character and rampancy is not a plot with halo, marathon, u knew durandal was rampant right away, halo, there are no other rampan a.i.s and i dont think it mentions rampant a.i.s at all, but i could be wrong, but i demand a quote first.... i have my books right here to test it too.

  • 05.16.2006 9:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Bold One
and we're getting off topic here... cortana's a smart smart a.i. she's above other smart a.i.s she's different, bungie and eric nylund made her that way, she's a central character and rampancy is not a plot with halo, marathon, u knew durandal was rampant right away, halo, there are no other rampan a.i.s and i dont think it mentions rampant a.i.s at all, but i could be wrong, but i demand a quote first.... i have my books right here to test it too.


If we are going by the Marathon definition of Rampancy, which is the only one we have, then all smart AIs in the Halo Universe are Rampant.

  • 05.16.2006 9:54 PM PDT
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Has anyone considered the obvious exception?! 343 Guilty Spark, Penitent Tangent, are both AI's albeit made by forerunners, perhaps during her time in Halo she found out why they could have lasted for hundreds of thousands of years.

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Joe Crow has a very interesting point

and opogjijijp- i'm not disagreeing with you, but i'm not going by marathon's definiton of rampanacy, i'm just saying, u know Durandal was rampant in the first game its a major plotline
its not a plotline in the haloverse, there is no mention of rampancy in their verse.

  • 05.16.2006 9:58 PM PDT
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Speechless? Well this tread is really interesting, we cant let it die.

  • 05.17.2006 10:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Tai MT
All AIs were made from "living brains". In fact, it says something in the books to the effect of what's in their chip to make them up and create them, is ACTUAL brain tissue.

No, Cortana was the first. The rest were from dead brains of a cadavre (sp?) or whatever. Cortana was created from a flash clone of 'Halsey's brain. It was living and probably worked better.
She was created like this (IIRC) because the UNSC had no more personal AIs left at that time to give to her. So she had her own created.

  • 05.17.2006 10:54 AM PDT
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no what cortanas saying is attually mc that is saying it:
i have defied gods en demons(profhets en elites)
i am your schield,i am your sword(i attack the covenant and defend the earth)
i know you your past your future(he's bien to the libary and stuff)
Posted by: voicingmaster
Actually, according to Fall of Reach, smart AIs don't really consume all their memory, well kinda, but it's a bit more complicated than that. They give the analogy of a human thinking so much, that they don't operate the heart and lungs, and die. Meaning, that hints that there is some sort of subsystem in the AI chip that keep it running. So, when an AI dies, they use up so much memory that they basically delete the memory needed for those subsystems that keep them operating, which basically kills them.

I think the quote Could mean that she died, either by the lifespan of an AI, or somebody destroyed her disk or something. Anyways, due to being a smart AI, she continued on in the afterlife, and became a ghost. It all makes sense. In heaven, it's a paradise, so there is no more sadness, anger, or jealousy. And winning could mean that she is the first AI to become so complex that she actually devloped a soul to carry her to the afterlife. Also, think about the trailer. In the beginning, when she is flickering, she can clearly be saying something about gods (at 34 seconds in). And she seems to have taken on a metaphysical quality, since she states "I have seen your past. I have seen your future." And, at the very end, when the artifact, presumably the Ark, she states "This is how the world ends". It would seem she kinda did defeat the seven year rule, by becoming so complex that she now has a soul, apperently something no other AI has ever done before.


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  • 05.17.2006 11:11 AM PDT
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In page 235-236 in the book, The Fall of Reach there is some evidence that everyone can look to quickly and decide for themselves whether Cortana could "die" or not ''die''.

p. 235-236 The Fall of Reach

Cortana reminded Dr. Halsey of herself when she had been an adolescent: smarter than her parents, always reading, talking, learning, and eager to share her knowledge with anyone who would listen.
Of course, there was a very good reason why Cortana reminded dr. Halsey of herself.
Cortana was a "smart" AI, an advanced articficial construct. Actually, the terms smart and dumb as applied to AIs, were misleading; all AIs were extraordinarily intelligent. But Cortana was special.
So-called dumb AIs were engineered to function only were misleading; within set limits of their dynamic memory-processing matrix. They were brilliant within their fields of expertise, but were lacking in "creativity." Deja, for example, was a "dumb" AI--incredibly useful, but limited.
Smart AIs like Cortana, however, had no limits on their dynamic memory-processor matrix. Knowledge and creativity could grow unchecked.
She would pay a price for her genius, however. Such growth eventually led to self-interferance. Cortana would one day literally start thinking too much at the expense of her normal functions. It was as if a human were to think with so much of his brain that he stopped sending impulses t his heart and lungs.
Like all the other smart AIs that Dr. Halsey had worked with over the years, Cortana would effectively "die" after an operational life of seven years.
But Cortana's mind was unique among all the other AIs Dr. Halsey had encountered. An AIs matrix was created by sneding electrical bursts through the neural pathways of a human brain. Those pathways were then replicated in a superconducting nano-assemblage. The technique destroyed the original human tissue, so they could only be obtained from a suitable candidate that had already died. Cortana, however, had to have the best mind available. The success of her mission and the lives of the Spartans would depend on it.
At Dr. Halsey's insistence, ONI had arranged to have her own brain carefully cloned and her memories flash-transferred to the receptacle organs. Only one of the twenty cloned brains survived the process. Cortana had literally sprung from Dr. Halsey's mind, like Athena from the head of Zeus.
So, in a way, Cortana was Dr. Halsey.


But remember that Cortana was inside of Installation 04's database for hours before Chief got her back, she could have learned many techniques on how to extend her life. And I remeber an earlier poster saying that AI CANNOT live more that seven years....Hmmm, who is really annoying and floats around and has been around for 100,000 years, oh wait, I remember now, The Monitors ( Guilty Spark, and Pentient Tangent), of the Halos....So think before you state things as fact, and keep your mind open to possibilities.

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  • 05.17.2006 11:47 AM PDT
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So not only is she like a human in the fact she's based on the brain she also has human memories

She probably did learn how to keep alive for more than seven years, or at least tried, cause if u were smarter than an a.i. who lived for more than a hundred thousand years, wouldnt you want to know why ur gonna die and the mother-blam!-s gonna live?

  • 05.17.2006 12:34 PM PDT
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I like the theory that Cortana gets into a fourth stage of rampancy. It makes sense. I also like the theory about Cortana dying and then getting reincarnate or alive again and helping chief. She speaks of Chief in a caring way when she says "I know you, your past, your future."

  • 05.17.2006 1:00 PM PDT
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yes she can she can learn new abilities shes artificial intelligence she can always be learning.

  • 05.17.2006 1:10 PM PDT
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http://www.savecortana.com

Anyone know how to enter the site? lol

  • 05.17.2006 1:19 PM PDT
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She does sound kindof caring when she says the past future thing, thats a very good point... people talk about what she says but no one ever talks about how she says it.....very good point.

but i dont agree the whole rampant thing, cuase i dont believe in rampancy. when drunk pink elephants fly man.

  • 05.17.2006 7:37 PM PDT
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Both 343 Guilty Spark and 2401 Penitent Tangent would be considered "dumb" AIs, if you used the books definition - they can only operate within their set functions: monitor the Halos, categorize any information they obtain, and contain the Flood through any means necessesary.

  • 05.17.2006 7:43 PM PDT
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no they're not
they're smart a.i.'s

Guilty lied to John, tricked him into igniting the halos, they do far more than what u said...

by ur definition cortana's a dumb a.i. cause she can only operate int eh set functions: ensure human safety by any means neccesary, destroy covenant, protect earth

U can oversimplify any a.i.' duties... just cause we dont have detailed paragraph's about what guilty is thinking doesnt mean him or anyone else is dumb... the only way we know cortana is smart and the others arent is cuase the book said Cortana is a smart A.I.

Guilty even had a special personality that i would guess he gave himself cause he was kinof crazy....

  • 05.17.2006 9:09 PM PDT
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343GS didn't "lie" to the MC, he thought the MC already knew exactly what the Halos did. He even says during the game, "But you already knew that. I mean, how couldn't you?" or something around that.

And Cortana is obeying the current mission parameters, yet she is able to act on her own as demonstrated multiple dozens of times in the books.

  • 05.17.2006 10:54 PM PDT
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GOOD, you agree with me.

now how is 343GS not a smart a.i.? is he not acting on his own while making sure the flood are neutralized? and would a dumb a.i. be able to try and fire the halo anyway with out a reclaimer or the index?... thats why u had to disrupt the generators isn't it?

  • 05.17.2006 11:21 PM PDT
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He is trying to retrieve the index through any means necessary, which would fall under his program functions.

You had to disrupt the generators so that, in the case something happened to you and he managed to retrieve the index, the Halos effect would be damped until he could rebuild the pulse generators. It was a safety precaution, nothing more.

  • 05.17.2006 11:46 PM PDT
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OMG go read The Flood again.... Cortana tells you to go to the generators to stop Guilty from firing the halows with out the index
its in the book
she said it
i'm pretty positive it's in the game but there is like a forty percent chance of error in that.

  • 05.18.2006 12:02 AM PDT

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