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Subject: How to fix the betrayal problem.

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.

Solution to betrayals.

At first, one might simply say "turn off friendly fire", and this could be a feasible solution. However, I occasionally put one bullet in my teammate if I am trying to get his attention, like if I want to get in the side seat of his revenant, or in the gun of his hog.

What I think would be good is if
1. Betrayals didn't count as deaths (so that no one can ruin a perfection because you took the sniper first
2. When you are betrayed, you don't drop any guns or grenades
3. You spawn with the same weapons and grenades as you originally had

What do you think?
What are some other solutions to problems?

BTW... All disrespectful, immature, off-topic, or uneducated posts will be ignored.

[Edited on 01.29.2012 6:41 PM PST]

  • 01.29.2012 5:58 PM PDT

I like it. I usually sprint for the nearest power weapon/sword/shotty and usually get there first, but some jerk on my own team wants it badly enough to try and kill me just because I got there first. First come first serve, melonfarmer! ;P

Anyway, now if I see a teammate go for the same weapon I'll just stop and let them have it: if they need an overpowered weapon badly enough just to get kills, they obviously need it more than me. I'd rather learn how to use the under-used/under-powered weapons so that hopefully eventually I'll get good enough to be comfortable using any weapon available on any given map to get a kill.

  • 01.29.2012 6:29 PM PDT

There's always room for you, If you want to be my friend.

Betrayals are not a problem. The system is fine as is.

[Edited on 01.29.2012 6:30 PM PST]

  • 01.29.2012 6:30 PM PDT

Your reason for keeping Friendly Fire is retarded, the real reason why it should stay is the Friendly Fire off dumbs the game down AND friendly vehicles are not effected by FF off. See Firefight Arcade.

1. Betrayals didn't count as deaths (so that no one can ruin a perfection because you took the sniper firstNo. You still die. That is stupid. "Oh you got accidentally betrayed, but we'll still give you a perfection anyways."

2. When you are betrayed, you don't drop any guns or grenadesNo. Why? Because lets say one of my teammates has rockets, and he was stupid and walked into a Grenade fest with them, and I got a betrayal, the rockets are now gone, cool my team no longer has rockets. You are also only caring about the selfish teammates side and not accidents.

3. You spawn with the same weapons and grenades as you originally hadNo. "Uh oh, all 4 enemies are coming at us, hey guy with Sniper let me betray you so they don't get it". Are you even thinking these things threw?

TL;DR Adapt

  • 01.29.2012 6:30 PM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.


Posted by: boomdeyadah
Your reason for keeping Friendly Fire is retarded, the real reason why it should stay is the Friendly Fire off dumbs the game down AND friendly vehicles are not effected by FF off. See Firefight Arcade.

1. Betrayals didn't count as deaths (so that no one can ruin a perfection because you took the sniper firstNo. You still die. That is stupid. "Oh you got accidentally betrayed, but we'll still give you a perfection anyways."

2. When you are betrayed, you don't drop any guns or grenadesNo. Why? Because lets say one of my teammates has rockets, and he was stupid and walked into a Grenade fest with them, and I got a betrayal, the rockets are now gone, cool my team no longer has rockets. You are also only caring about the selfish teammates side and not accidents.

3. You spawn with the same weapons and grenades as you originally hadNo. "Uh oh, all 4 enemies are coming at us, hey guy with Sniper let me betray you so they don't get it". Are you even thinking these things threw?

TL;DR Adapt

Frankly, my method isn't perfect, and I can see your point about getting betrayed and still getting a perfection; maybe if it just didn't count as a death, but they couldn't get a perfection (i.e., 20-0 with no perfection).

However, I think that my system would be less abusable, because whenever human decision is involved, it won't be perfect.

  • 01.29.2012 6:35 PM PDT

Frankly, my method isn't perfect,You're right, it's garbage.

and I can see your point about getting betrayed and still getting a perfection; maybe if it just didn't count as a death, but they couldn't get a perfection (i.e., 20-0 with no perfection).You're still dying, does it really -blam!- matter if there is a 1 in your deaths?

However, I think that my system would be less abusable,I found a abusable technique right off the bat, and I could think of even more if I had the time.

because whenever human decision is involved, it won't be perfect.lol

It's fine right now, and it does not need to be changed.

[Edited on 01.29.2012 6:39 PM PST]

  • 01.29.2012 6:39 PM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.


Posted by: boomdeyadah
Frankly, my method isn't perfect,You're right, it's garbage.

and I can see your point about getting betrayed and still getting a perfection; maybe if it just didn't count as a death, but they couldn't get a perfection (i.e., 20-0 with no perfection).You're still dying, does it really -blam!- matter if there is a 1 in your deaths?

However, I think that my system would be less abusable,I found a abusable technique right off the bat, and I could think of even more if I had the time.

because whenever human decision is involved, it won't be perfect.lol

It's fine right now, and it does not need to be changed.

Ok; well it's ok if you don't like my method. Just please at least be respectful.

  • 01.29.2012 6:40 PM PDT

Herp derp.


Posted by: TurnedSculpture

Posted by: boomdeyadah
Frankly, my method isn't perfect,You're right, it's garbage.

and I can see your point about getting betrayed and still getting a perfection; maybe if it just didn't count as a death, but they couldn't get a perfection (i.e., 20-0 with no perfection).You're still dying, does it really -blam!- matter if there is a 1 in your deaths?

However, I think that my system would be less abusable,I found a abusable technique right off the bat, and I could think of even more if I had the time.

because whenever human decision is involved, it won't be perfect.lol

It's fine right now, and it does not need to be changed.

Ok; well it's ok if you don't like my method. Just please at least be respectful.

Boomdeyedah is respectful. Wat.

  • 01.29.2012 6:41 PM PDT


Posted by: boomdeyadah
It's fine right now, and it does not need to be changed.

It's terrible right now.. It really should be 2 betrayals and there is an option to boot. Across every playlist..

  • 01.29.2012 6:42 PM PDT

Solution: make friends and play in a party.

  • 01.29.2012 6:42 PM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.


Posted by: Gyarados121996

Boomdeyedah is respectful. Wat.


Posted by: boomdeyadah
You're right, it's garbage.


Posted by: boomdeyadah
That is stupid.


Posted by: boomdeyadah
Your reason for keeping Friendly Fire is retarded



Posted by: boomdeyadah
Are you even thinking these things threw?


erm...

[Edited on 01.29.2012 6:46 PM PST]

  • 01.29.2012 6:42 PM PDT

Posted by: Wumpa Warrior
Posted by: boomdeyadah
It's fine right now, and it does not need to be changed.

It's terrible right now.. It really should be 2 betrayals and there is an option to boot. Across every playlist..
Oh so give everyone a freebie every game is totally better than the current system which is based off history. Yeah, that looks like a good improvement.

  • 01.29.2012 6:43 PM PDT

I intend to live forever, or die trying,

so far, so good.

Not a bad idea, but I keep it as is.

As if you had their sniper at their base, you could ask a team mate to betray you. You then respawn at your base, with the enemy sniper rifle.

This is just one flaw I thiugh of.

  • 01.29.2012 6:43 PM PDT
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The game's betrayal system should just recognize some simple things-

What weapon were you betrayed with?

Simple enough. If they did it all with their DMR, AR, and grenades then 1 betrayal = Boot option.

But if they did it with a tank, Wraith, Rockets, if you were already hurt and they 1 shot you with the DMR, 2 betrayals = boot option. So if it was "instakill" or they only did a little bit of damage to you, they get another chance.

  • 01.29.2012 6:44 PM PDT


Posted by: boomdeyadah
]Oh so give everyone a freebie every game is totally better than the current system which is based off history. Yeah, that looks like a good improvement.

Good god, let's be civil. I just don't like the way it is right now. Or are you just too high and mighty to see other opinions?

  • 01.29.2012 6:47 PM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.


Posted by: AcidThe Wraith
The game's betrayal system should just recognize some simple things-

What weapon were you betrayed with?

Simple enough. If they did it all with their DMR, AR, and grenades then 1 betrayal = Boot option.

But if they did it with a tank, Wraith, Rockets, if you were already hurt and they 1 shot you with the DMR, 2 betrayals = boot option. So if it was "instakill" or they only did a little bit of damage to you, they get another chance.

That would probably work a lot better... But there are still flaws.

  • 01.29.2012 6:47 PM PDT

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's broken.

  • 01.29.2012 6:48 PM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.


Posted by: Wumpa Warrior

Posted by: boomdeyadah
]Oh so give everyone a freebie every game is totally better than the current system which is based off history. Yeah, that looks like a good improvement.

Good god, let's be civil. I just don't like the way it is right now. Or are you just too high and mighty to see other opinions?

Don't expect him to be civil.

As I pointed out before:

Posted by: boomdeyadah
You're right, it's garbage.


Posted by: boomdeyadah
That is stupid.


Posted by: boomdeyadah
Your reason for keeping Friendly Fire is retarded



Posted by: boomdeyadah
Are you even thinking these things threw?

  • 01.29.2012 6:48 PM PDT

Herp derp.


Posted by: boomdeyadah
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's broken.

Cool down some bro. You're starting to look like me. :/

  • 01.29.2012 6:49 PM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.


Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
One of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

HEY GUYS I'M IN A TIGHT SPOT AND THE ENEMY IS ABOUT TO KILL ME CAUSE OF MY BAD POSITIONING.



BETRAY ME QUICK.

lol, retards.

Get over it.

Take your mronic trolling somewhere else.

  • 01.29.2012 6:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: TurnedSculpture

Posted by: AcidThe Wraith
The game's betrayal system should just recognize some simple things-

What weapon were you betrayed with?

Simple enough. If they did it all with their DMR, AR, and grenades then 1 betrayal = Boot option.

But if they did it with a tank, Wraith, Rockets, if you were already hurt and they 1 shot you with the DMR, 2 betrayals = boot option. So if it was "instakill" or they only did a little bit of damage to you, they get another chance.

That would probably work a lot better... But there are still flaws.


There are more flaws in the current system and in every proposal I've heard thus far.

Until someone comes up with a better idea, I will stick with mine.

  • 01.29.2012 6:51 PM PDT


Posted by: TurnedSculpture
Don't expect him to be civil.

It's a sad sad world.. Why can't we be mature again?

  • 01.29.2012 6:52 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

Posted by: TurnedSculpture
erm...

The more intelligent your statements, the nicer he will be.

That's my experience, anyway.

  • 01.29.2012 6:52 PM PDT