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Subject: More evidence for Halo 3 time travel

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I am now sharing cramped space with the circuitry of some hybrid war machine, itself complicated by such useless clutter as a conscience. I do not like sharing. Sharing is for children.

There will be plenty of time for retribution; I cannot wait to get its hands on these psychotic zealots whose primary form of worship apparently takes place at the altar of orbital bombardment.

In the end, they will all be little more than nuisances. I am so close – you cannot imagine what it is truly like to hold eternity in your grasp! I wonder to what gods my enemies will direct their pleas. Perhaps I can convert them.

Mania? I promise you this: it will be more than a cart and plow that I drive over the bones of the dead.

By sharp and flame,

Cortana

This last letter almost makes it seem like Cortana had malevolent or ulterior motives even before being installed in the Chief. Although, to be honest, it sounds like these letters are just a discarded backstory for the Halo series, before it was fully realized.

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This makes perfect sense....when 343 in halo CE makes reference to his armor level saying it is only a 4 i think and that it should be a 12 he is remembering when chief had his new armor.....I think Chief will come back in the midst of the forerunner/Flood war! i mean how cool would that be...fighting alonside the forerunners he may end up getting the nickname "reclaimer" therefore 343 is actually refering to MC as a person not the whole human race........by the way can someone find th quote on the part where 343 found the other marine that he took to the library i think this will contradict what i said above

  • 05.16.2006 4:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: hundalizer
how could cortana know the future of a spartan that was just
created

She didn't know of his time travel exploits at first. She only became aware of them after she "unites" with Gravemind and has access to his memories of Halo's past. According to my theory, of course.

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what are these cortana letters? where did you find them?

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master chief in the trailer could be the one from halo 1(the armor is just highly detailed) which could explain the different armor or from the future.

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Posted by: Jordan117
I made a thread awhile back about the possibility of time travel in Halo 3, based on several clues. Well here's that argument again, but this time with more evidence:

1) In Halo:CE, the Monitor says "Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. There is no choice. We must activate the ring." This dialogue implies that 343GS talked to the Chief the first time Halo was activated -- 100,000 years ago.

2) In the trailer, Cortana says "I know you. Your past. Your future." She obviously knows Chief's past because she worked with him. But the future? Time travel offers an explanation: say that at some point in Halo 3, the Chief somehow goes back in time thousands of years, to the time just before Halo was first activated. He would probably encounter the Flood/Gravemind at some point. The Flood would then carry the memory of the Chief with them in a sort of collective/communal memory, which the current Gravemind would also share. When Gravemind melds/allies with/takes over Cortana as implied in Halo 3, then Cortana would also become aware or be told about the Chief's time-travelling. She would therefore know what the present-day Chief is going to do, because it already happened, millenia in the past.

3) NEW EVIDENCE: Gravemind's "secret message" in Halo 2 (the one playing backward in the background of one cinematic) says:...I have walked among men and angels for three thousand years. Time has no end... no beginning... no purpose.

I wander the earth, seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God and man.

I live to see death, destruction, over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished.

I live in a prison of my own demise.

I am lost in time... (repeats)

If the time-travel theory is correct, then these words take on new meaning. The time-travel scenario given is potentially an infinite loop: Chief is forced to go back in time, where he first activates Halo, then millenia later he fights the battles of the previous games, meets Gravemind, etc., until he has to travel back again. If all this is true, then the only beings that would be aware of the infinite loop would be Gravemind and, later on, Cortana. This explains why Gravemind thinks time has "no beginning" or "end" or "purpose". and why he feels "lost in time".

4) Yes, time travel is possible in Halo. Consider the time-bending crystals found in the books, or the time-warping properties of Slipspace. Time travel isn't impossible.

5) Lastly, this scenario is a very elegant way to end the franchise. There is no clear winner or loser, no ultimate fate. Just the same events playing and replaying, cycling and recycling, with only Gravemind/Cortana above it all, powerless to do anything but watch and guide the infinite cycle...

What do you think?


You're right, it is possible. Unlikely though, the Crystals don't effect time, directly, they first effect gravity. Only when in Slipspace does time seem to be manipulated. I'm saying such a large role of time travel seems unlikely, although there have been theories pointing out that unless time travel or manipulation has been used, the chronological order of certain events do not match up.

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what are these cortana letters? where can i find them?

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Posted by: AN_ASSASIN
what are these cortana letters? where can i find them?

Go here . They are emails sent by Bungie to the administrator of a Marathon fansite, and were used to build anticipation for the release of Halo:Combat Evolved. Because they're so old, they probably have little to do with the current version fo the story. But they are an interesting read, and hint at where Bungie might have been intending to lead the story arc...

[Edited on 5/16/2006]

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Not thinking too deeply, the only reason why the Chief would travel back into time if he could is if he messed up big time.

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not if the halo's where 3 secounds from being activated.... i think i would try anything to save all living life....

  • 05.16.2006 4:17 PM PDT

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Just a note: this theory doesn't posit how the Chief goes back, or why. Only that he does it.

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hey i got something for u... this game is called HALO 3 not BACK TO THE FUTURE 3

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It's a very interesting theroy. Best I've heard in a while.

  • 05.16.2006 4:21 PM PDT

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Well, I'd rather have a definate ending...but not that I think of it I have a feeling Halo 3 is going to end in a huge unexpected twist. Your theory about the ending seems one of the likely endings, I also have a feeling the Ark activating the Halo rings will possibly happen.

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Posted by: master Chl3f
hey i got something for u... this game is called HALO 3 not BACK TO THE FUTURE 3
So what? Why can't the game use time travel as a plot twist? There are many hints to that end. Plus, it's science fiction.

Posted by: MarineGrunt73
Well, I'd rather have a definate ending...but not that I think of it I have a feeling Halo 3 is going to end in a huge unexpected twist. Your theory about the ending seems one of the likely endings, I also have a feeling the Ark activating the Halo rings will possibly happen.

That's an interesting way to think about it. How else could the franchise end? Humans save the day? That's very, very cliche.

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  • 05.16.2006 4:27 PM PDT

as much as this isa good theory, i want a solid ending. And i really hope if the ending is compicated and does tie into multiplayer levels, books, etc, from halo CE- halo 3 i hope bungie will explain. But also i noticed people talking about reclaimers, if you look it up it means:
Main Entry: re·claim
Pronunciation: "rE-'klAm
Function: transitive verb
1 : to make fit or available for human use <reclaiming land that had been strip-mined>
2 a : to demand the return of by right b : to regain possession of

For meaning 1, it would explain why only the humans could activate halo. But meaning two, would mean that we had to of had the technology before, meaning we could possible be the forunners. Because meaning two says to regain possession of, saying we getting back what we once had.

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what about this....what if master chief when he goes back in time and there is the forerunner/flood war going on the flood take something from the forerunners (the activation key to the halo's) chief then goes and gets the key back earning the name reclaimer for reclaiming the "object" back that will help the forerunners...if it is the activation key this would tie into the reason 343 said if you asked him agian he would have the same answere.

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I know there are a lot of people saying they want a solid ending, but think about it: would Bungie really do something that predictable? For such an epic and involving franchise, they have to have a cool twist-ending up their sleeves...

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Maybe the Chief and the Covenant activate that thing in the trailer to go back in time. It makes sense. OK, from Halo 2, with the Arbiter, there is the possibility that the Elites teamed up with the humans. Thus, all those ships in the trailer are good guys. It makes no sense for them to be bad guys, since MC is in their clear view, and he's defense-less, if the aliens in the banshees were enemies, they would've shot at him. But they didn't. And, MC looks like he's about to go into a fight when the thing activates. Exactly what battle, and why MC is the only apperent human going is unknown. However, a lot of things then fit.

I doubt 343 would say "Last time you asked me would I do it...", to MC's whole race, if only MC was standing there, implying that they met before. Come on, what are the odds of somebody with MC's armor and apperence showing up 100,000 years ago, who happened to ask 343 would he activate the Halos if he could? Also, 343 makes the comment that MC was smart in bringing his armor, evidently last time they met, MC didn't bring full body armor.

  • 05.16.2006 4:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: voicingmaster
OK, from Halo 2, with the Arbiter, there is the possibility that the Elites teamed up with the humans. Thus, all those ships in the trailer are good guys. It makes no sense for them to be bad guys, since MC is in their clear view, and he's defense-less, if the aliens in the banshees were enemies, they would've shot at him.

This has been brought up before. I think that the ships are too preoccupied with the blooming Forerunner structure to notice or care about the Chief. Plus, I think it's safe to say that those ships are indeed bad guys; Bungie said that the invading Covenant forces control Earth.

I doubt 343 would say "Last time you asked me would I do it...", to MC's whole race, if only MC was standing there, implying that they met before. Come on, what are the odds of somebody with MC's armor and apperence showing up 100,000 years ago, who happened to ask 343 would he activate the Halos if he could? Also, 343 makes the comment that MC was smart in bringing his armor, evidently last time they met, MC didn't bring full body armor. That's what I think too. And it is interesting that 343GS makes so many references to the Chief's armor and technology, like he's seen it before...

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What i think is that when a ring is acvtivated it creates some kind of time field in which the activator is left in the control room in a hibernation for hundreds of thousands of years and dosent age or anything and the ship that dropped him there say right outside the rings perimeter and is in this time field that only seems like seconds to the ship by the time the activator is awakened. get it?

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