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It seems that the human races didn't really advance much with 500 years. Bungie should be a little more creative on weapon for Halo 3. I mean com'on it only took like 10 years from the first flight of an airplane to like the first use in world war I. Doesn't this puzzle anyone?? A very creative story, but not so creative arsenal.

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I mean unless somewhere between now and year 2500 somthing, the human invented or upgraded into a type of super bullets, then the bullets should have the same fire power as the bullets in 2006.

-If this is true, the SMG bullets are= around 5.5mm and AK47/M16=7.62mm and 5.56mm.
-Takes like 3/4 of a SMG clip to kill someone in Halo 2, so if i would use and 100 round drum clip and slap it into an AK, I would be able to kill a Spartan 500 years in the future.

I know its a video game but,I just want an explaination bungie. (just say like they got a gun powder upgrade in the year 2299 or somthing)

What do u guys think?

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  • 05.16.2006 6:55 PM PDT
Subject: 500 years in the future! Still using Gun Powder??
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I wondered that too. I also wondered why they still use wheel cars.

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  • 05.16.2006 6:58 PM PDT
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Halo will be dumb if we all are zipping around with lazers.

  • 05.16.2006 6:58 PM PDT
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they use gas powered weapons

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and besides they would not bother advancing the technology of infantry and land based vehicles as much because the spaceships can destroy entire planets.

  • 05.16.2006 6:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: blackrussian
they use gas powered weapons
Haha, we know that wont happen in our future...=P

  • 05.16.2006 7:00 PM PDT

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Halo will be dumb if we all are zipping around with lazers.


TRUE. Halo would be -blam!-.
I think the weapons are very realistic for the time being.

  • 05.16.2006 7:00 PM PDT
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it makes the game relatible and not on some distant planet

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Well you do have to admit that the humans do have some advanced star ships and fleets that can go light speed or something

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Since the Covenant are the first alien races the humans have encountered, they never really needed to develop more sophisticated weapons. Projectiles have, do, and will always work very well against the human species.

The vehicles probably run off many different types of power sources, like miniature fusion cores, so they will never need to use gasoline. The concept of a wheeled vehicle works nicely, so they wouldn't really need to change that much, either.

  • 05.16.2006 7:03 PM PDT
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Well i dont really like the quote "If it ain't broken, dont fix it", but Halo would be kinda retarded if the humans made lasers. It would be too Star Wars-ish.

  • 05.16.2006 7:04 PM PDT
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The gunpowder look and feel is to contrast the covenant plasma weaponry.

We have to have our own ways of identifying with the Humans and distancing ourselves from the Covenant. The guns, vehicles etc are all there for that reason.

Need familiar ground. Wouldnt be fun just shooting a laser and getting shot with plasma... team plasma wars...*shudder*

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That would be funny to see.

  • 05.16.2006 7:08 PM PDT

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i also noticed the wheeled busses.

but what about all the UNSC's ships? And lets not forget about our slip-space drives, or even the huge MAC guns. i think they have made some advances.

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Weapons armor, and warfare in general evolves to meet the needs of armies. weapons are generally only as lethal as they have to be. Why on earth would we use lasers for our infantry when we can use guns that kill just as fast?

ballistic weapons are simply the most effective method of killing. lasers are impractical unless we were to develop some sort of bullet resistant laser weak substance. but even then you can just use a bigger bullet (read: cannon/artillery/tanks)

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They have made advances in space-travel and defense. Since the UNSC ships usually have large weapons, the planets need to have large-scale defense systems in case there is a rebellion. While, it seems, most people are happy living a "human race" rather then a bunch of smaller races (caucasian, african, hispanic, etc), there are always going to be people who fight against the system, and thus new weaponry will be developed.

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Well i dont really like the quote "If it ain't broken, dont fix it"


The reason which I stated it is because:
Posted by: Aerien
Since the Covenant are the first alien races the humans have encountered, they never really needed to develop more sophisticated weapons. Projectiles have, do, and will always work very well against the human species.


Before the Covenant arrived, if bullets could still kill Human, then there would be no need to to "advance" the way of killing someone.

  • 05.16.2006 7:14 PM PDT

if you change to many things then we loose the human feel, and halo would probably sit on the shelves with the countless other sci fi stuff

  • 05.16.2006 7:16 PM PDT

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Yeah I bet you 500 years ago in a play they wouldn't believe we were still using gun powder. Hell 500 years ago they sure as hell thought we would have robots doing our work right about now. Besides halo does not take place during are time line . Our universe doesn't come about untill the next collapse/ rebirth or possibly even a few births/collapses after that. Considering that the human race in halos time started from scratch 100,000 years before the game it's really damn good as humanity has been around for 300,000 and we still don't have all the technology they have. In other words if they advanced as slow as humanity in our time they would be living under simple huts or sleeping outside in the mud.


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  • 05.16.2006 7:21 PM PDT

yeah if humans had lasers, it would be too starwars-ish

  • 05.16.2006 7:28 PM PDT
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Although distancing the Humans from the Covenant is probably the "real" reason, there is an explanation for the storyline, too. It was pointed out above, but I thought I'd elaborate a bit.

Before the Covenant showed up, the only thing that people needed to kill were other people. They were doing this a lot, in fact. If you remember, the original plan for the spartans was to put down a rebellion. In times of war, it can be a mistake to focus on concentrating new weaponry. Because of this, they put their attention on making what they had better, instead of allotting resources for research and development. Also, they were already working on the Spartan program, so they probably wouldn't want to use more resources elsewhere.

When they met the Covenant, they no longer had time to research new weapons. They put their energy into creating the most of what they had. Quantity over quality, really.

Since humans have been at war almost constantly, they never got around to developing new weapons.



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I am happy that they still use guns it makes it more realstic for us to play cause we still use gun powder. so its good if that they use it to or we would not like to play halo if they use lazers cause its it would just like starwar-ish as someone stated. and i don't think we would like that at all.
p.s the US navy is actually making the MAC guns for there next gen ships and you can look it up in all the tech magzines or the net if u don't belive me. which is probably where bungie got the idea to make the MAC guns!

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  • 05.16.2006 7:30 PM PDT

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good question.
But gunpowder rocks!

  • 05.16.2006 7:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Zephrix
Well i dont really like the quote "If it ain't broken, dont fix it"


The reason which I stated it is because:
Posted by: Aerien
Since the Covenant are the first alien races the humans have encountered, they never really needed to develop more sophisticated weapons. Projectiles have, do, and will always work very well against the human species.


Before the Covenant arrived, if bullets could still kill Human, then there would be no need to to "advance" the way of killing someone.


They didn't advance the basics too much - more efficient assault rifles and pistols, better sniper rifles, etc. Because there will always be insurgents in any species, these would still be developed just like they are today.

However, I was mainly talking about advancing weapons for use in space battles. If you took a normal artillery cannon into space, it would fire, but it would be incredibly hard to actually hit something. As the battleships get more and more advanced for travelling to different planets/galaxies, new weapons would have to be developed to stop these ships in the event of a rebellion.

Yeah I bet you 500 years ago in a play they wouldn't believe we were still using gun powder. Hell 500 years ago they sure as hell thought we would have robots doing our work right about now. Besides halo does not take place during are time line . Our universe doesn't come about untill the next collapse/ rebirth or possibly even a few births/collapses after that. Considering that the human race in halos time started from scratch 100,000 years before the game it's really damn good as humanity in our time has been around for 300,000 years at our current stage and we still don't have all the technology they have.

Think about it like this: the Halos would really only kill off anything that had enough biomass to sustain the Flood. We are fairly sure that lifeforms like grunts do not have sufficient biomass, since we see no combat forms of them. Now, a human child would have around the same amount or less biomass than a grunt would. Logically, this would mean that things like grunts and human children might not be killed by the Halos, allowing the species to survive and grow in the last 100,000 years.

  • 05.16.2006 7:31 PM PDT