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Subject: The Spartan IV Project - Potential Glasslands Spoilers - Please beware

Potential Spoilers: Please only reply if you have read Glasslands and do not want the surprise ruined - Please beware:


Having read Glasslands and hearing the mention of this new Spartan program, I just thought of the very logical progression of having Fred-104 placed in command of the new training process, as Kurt-051 had been. CPO Mendez is still very much alive, and likely willing to be part of the new batch and the field and combat experience and leadership of Fred would be invaluable. Furthermore, he is a Junior Grade Lt. as Kurt had been at the onset of the S-III program. Would you like 343 to take this route, or would you rather have him on the front-lines with Kelly, still in active service?

[Edited on 02.03.2012 4:31 AM PST]

  • 02.03.2012 12:11 AM PDT
Subject: The Spartan IV Project

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Please do not spoil anything per favore. I have yet to read Halo Grasslands

  • 02.03.2012 12:52 AM PDT

My apologies :) I will try not to ruin it for you, Karen Traviss did a damn fine job on the book.....It's Good ;)

  • 02.03.2012 1:03 AM PDT

"This is the prototype NOVA Bomb, nine fusion warheads encased in lithium triteride armor. When detonated, it compresses its fusionable material to neutron-star density, boosting the thermonuclear yield a hundredfold. I am Vice Admiral Danforth Whitcomb, temporarily in command of the UNSC military base Reach. To the Covenant uglies that might be listening, you have a few seconds to pray to your damned heathen gods. You all have a nice day in hell..."

Now i'm no forum policeman, but could you edit your OP to say "potential spoilers" cos someone is bound to do it, and the book has literally landed on my doorstep today.

Thanks

  • 02.03.2012 4:09 AM PDT

Done :) No problem, let me know what thoughts you had on the book.

  • 02.03.2012 4:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: Tian X104
My apologies :) I will try not to ruin it for you, Karen Traviss did a damn fine job on the book.....It's Good ;)
It's not though. It's one of the worse Halo books.

  • 02.03.2012 4:55 AM PDT

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  • 02.03.2012 6:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: Tian X104
My apologies :) I will try not to ruin it for you, Karen Traviss did a damn fine job on the book.....It's Good ;)
It's not though. It's one of the worse Halo books.

I think it's good that we can post opinions on the Internet.

  • 02.03.2012 6:13 AM PDT
Subject: The Spartan IV Project - Potential Glasslands Spoilers - Please beware

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Posted by: Tian X104
My apologies :) I will try not to ruin it for you, Karen Traviss did a damn fine job on the book.....It's Good ;)


Nope, it remains one of worst Halo books. If you haven't been so blind, you'd realize large inconsistency in the novel such as UNSC unrealistically recovering, SPARTAN-III as being weak (Lucy punching a 60-year old woman in the face with full force which it should kill her), ONI being retarded to start the war with Elites for no legitimate reason, it stomped Great schism in Halo 2, SPARTAN-IV Project, ONI pulling out magical funds out of their ass on UNSC Infinity, etc.

Yeah, it remains one of worst Halo novel.

Spoilers does not matter because the book has been out for few months, everyone should have read that novel. If not, it means they were lazy. So don't worry about them.

[Edited on 02.03.2012 6:24 AM PST]

  • 02.03.2012 6:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: Elder Bias

Posted by: Tian X104
My apologies :) I will try not to ruin it for you, Karen Traviss did a damn fine job on the book.....It's Good ;)


ONI being retarded to start the war with Elites for no legitimate reason

Weapons dealing and inciting infighting to weaken overall cohesion.

Everyone does it. All the time.

It's called being smart.

Edit: ONI never started a war.

[Edited on 02.03.2012 6:38 AM PST]

  • 02.03.2012 6:37 AM PDT
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Glasslands was pretty awful. It felt like they were doing some serious retconning in this book.

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  • 02.03.2012 7:00 AM PDT
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smart, interesting, seems out of place.


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Posted by: Tian X104
My apologies :) I will try not to ruin it for you, Karen Traviss did a damn fine job on the book.....It's Good ;)
It's not though. It's one of the worse Halo books.


Glasslands is the Reach of Halo Books. It could have been a great book, but it wasn't. Get Traviss away from Halo before she kills it.

  • 02.03.2012 8:15 AM PDT


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Posted by: Onyx81

Posted by: Tian X104
My apologies :) I will try not to ruin it for you, Karen Traviss did a damn fine job on the book.....It's Good ;)
It's not though. It's one of the worse Halo books.


Glasslands is the Reach of Halo Books. It could have been a great book, but it wasn't. Get Traviss away from Halo before she kills it.

And Nylund back! I loved his writing.

  • 02.03.2012 9:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: Tian X104
My apologies :) I will try not to ruin it for you, Karen Traviss did a damn fine job on the book.....It's Good ;)


Nope, it remains one of worst Halo books. If you haven't been so blind, you'd realize large inconsistency in the novel such as UNSC unrealistically recovering, SPARTAN-III as being weak (Lucy punching a 60-year old woman in the face with full force which it should kill her), ONI being retarded to start the war with Elites for no legitimate reason, it stomped Great schism in Halo 2, SPARTAN-IV Project, ONI pulling out magical funds out of their ass on UNSC Infinity, etc.

Yeah, it remains one of worst Halo novel.

Spoilers does not matter because the book has been out for few months, everyone should have read that novel. If not, it means they were lazy. So don't worry about them.


I personally enjoyed the book alot,but everyone has different opinions but there things where i'll have to disagree with you:

UNSC unrealistically recovering

-Unrealistic...how?The Covenant burned most of their worlds,but they still have some worlds left and we don't know what kind of resources they might have in secret.

The fact that ONI discovered Forerunner technology on many places is one of the explanations for quick Human recovery.
Imagine the possibilities with this discovery.

Humans are adaptable and intelligent,they can pull it off.


SPARTAN-III as being weak (Lucy punching a 60-year old woman in the face with full force which it should kill her),

-Agreed

ONI being retarded to start the war with Elites for no legitimate reason

-As someone already pointed out in this thread it's no war.They had their reasons.
You shouldn't be suprised with ONI's missions,alot of them sound stupid but they are for the greater good.

And no faction will ever be 100 percent competent,it's a know fact.

We will always be able to find mistakes in mistakes in both fiction and non fiction,because we are looking at the story from our point of view,we can know things that they don't.

it stomped Great schism in Halo 2

-It didn't ,but i think you are reffering to these Brutes working as farmers on Sanghelios.

Few brutes=/=Covie Brutes

-How does the inclusion of a new spartan program makes the book stupid?But hey that's your opinion but i'm a bit curious why you don't like IV


-You have no idea how large the ONI budget is ,and we are talking about a faction who can infiltrate High charity and have the guts to use the Flood as a bio weapon.

It's ONI,you can expect anything from these guys.

  • 02.03.2012 11:08 AM PDT

I said a while back I'll deal with whatever opinion anyone has, but I will not deal with incorrect information.

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Posted by: Elder Bias

Posted by: Tian X104
My apologies :) I will try not to ruin it for you, Karen Traviss did a damn fine job on the book.....It's Good ;)


Nope, it remains one of worst Halo books. If you haven't been so blind, you'd realize large inconsistency in the novel such as UNSC unrealistically recovering, SPARTAN-III as being weak (Lucy punching a 60-year old woman in the face with full force which it should kill her), ONI being retarded to start the war with Elites for no legitimate reason, it stomped Great schism in Halo 2, SPARTAN-IV Project, ONI pulling out magical funds out of their ass on UNSC Infinity, etc.

Yeah, it remains one of worst Halo novel.

Spoilers does not matter because the book has been out for few months, everyone should have read that novel. If not, it means they were lazy. So don't worry about them.


Referred from first to last

1) We had no information regarding the UNSC's current state other then they were in a bad way. Glassland showed us only the ONI perspective, but didn't show us infrastructure, economy or military capabilities. And like Glasslands, nothing else ever showed us anything necessary to start casting judgement on the UNSC's post-war state. Without a reference point from which to judge and compare, we cannot say anything.

I also wonder where you got that the UNSC "recovered" when it makes pretty clear that everything's messed up in the beginning.

2) Their depiction is functionally retarded, with that I'll agree with.

3) It is not a war, it is an insurance plan. Politically inducing civil war (or, in fact, any form of internal strife) upon another nation to insure they are not a threat is done all the time, all across history, all over the place. And forgive the ONI for being more xenophobic then the Imperium, they've got every right to not trust the Elites; when the nation in question waged a genocidal campaign against you for 30 years, there tends to be some bad blood.

4) Assuming you're referring to the Brutes, I'd like to point out how they are slaves. To the Elites.

Consider the culture. Dying is a great honor when done in battle, and execution is dishonorable only for the length of time the prisoner is in prison. Then he's dead. The Elites are punishing the Brutes in the most humiliating way their culture can imagine: imprisoning the Brutes, rendering them completely helpless and lost, making them entirely dependant upon their enemies.

5) The next two are in a similar category, but I'll refer to the IVs first.

Col. Ackerson's plan was to distribute the SIII augs as widely as possible, even implying in his pitch to Kurt that he'd like to have an entirely new military division created soley for Spartans ("100,000 Spartans"). Problem is Ackerson's dead. So now we have the IVs, who are different from the original plan only in two ways. 1, that they're voluntary adults, and 2, that they're headed by Parangosky herself. They are functionally identicle to Ackerson's original dream, which was to branch the Spartan program out to a more general population. The SIIIs (who I'll remind you were some still being trained in 2552, indicating the Spartan program had no intention of ever slowing down) are even being rotated into the IV program, an offer the IIs were not offered, supportng that this is just Ackerson's plan reorganized.

And really, what could they have done? It'd be imaginably easier to augment adults since the last time it was tried, about a century earlier, instead of kidnapping 100,000 kids. It is logistically easier now (and more economically viable) to augment pre-trained adults then to create super humans from scratch.

Speaking of economics, I'd like to again return you to the fact that we don't and didn't know jack about the UNSC's economic situation. We in fact knew only two things: 1, that the money is called credits, and 2, battle fleets are expensive. We do not know the way the system works, we do not know what contigency plans were placed for this event, we do not even know for sure that ONI operates under the same rules as everyone else. National security is the UNSC's primary concern, and ONI is the head of that. The term "blank check" applies here.

And again, like above, we cannot call foul when we have nothing from which to call foul as reference. Whenever I say that the people who hate Glasslands are hating it unreasonably, this is exactly what I mean and why I say it.

[Edited on 02.03.2012 1:51 PM PST]

  • 02.03.2012 1:47 PM PDT
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@ Elder bias.

The UNSC has all the resources required to build a new fleet. There was still at least seven colonies left. The UNSC still owns Misriah armouries of Mars. Where most of the UNSC's ships are built and weapons built. ONI had also captured several forerunner artefacts during the war. Tech from these artefacts was used to build new UNSC ships.

I agree that a SPARTAN III should be able to kill an old woman with a punch.

What's wrong with SPARTAN IV's? Ackerson was planning to do a very similar thing with the SPARTAN III's. Although I do think that they could've got a bit more use out of the SPARTAN III's than they did. I mean what's wrong with them? They were probably just as good as the SPARTAN IV's will be.

I think we should really let Karen Traviss off. This is her first proper novel for Halo. Perhaps she'll do a better job with the next book. After all she did a good job on the GOW books.

  • 03.05.2012 1:33 PM PDT

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I believe they II's were offered a spot to be with the IV's. Think it's in back of Glasslands near to the end.

  • 03.05.2012 1:48 PM PDT

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As long as the Spartan IV's aren't physically... weaker than the II's and III's (which I'm pretty sure they're nearly identical), then I'm cool with the Spartan program being done on adults.

the III program became available to older "teenagers" because of refinements in tech and method over the Spartan II program. Plus, due to the refinements, they had all but eliminated the failure rate during the augmentation process from SII to SIII. The Spartan IV program should have zero failures if the tech and method were further refined from the SIII program. But aside from about 6" to 1ft, there is little difference between the SII's, SIII's, and I'd imagine the SIV's as well.

With the time that has passed, it's easily feasible that the Spartan Augmentation process has been refined so that now it will work on fully grown adults.

But I agree with everyone here. When Lucy punched that lady's face, her head should've probably been a gooey mess... if it didn't explode outright from the full force of a Spartan's punch.

[Edited on 03.05.2012 1:53 PM PST]

  • 03.05.2012 1:52 PM PDT

Right just a point when you punch someone when you're angry/enraged ect it is weaker than a punch when you are in a better but still aggresive state of mind. Secondly lucy wasn't aiming to kill halsey.

Right now thats out the way on topic:
I don't think Fred would become the leader of S IV training not atleast on his own like Kurt he would probably have the other SIIs with him.

Although they might still be in active service refitted with Mk. VII armour taking out Innies and covies as they are still the most effective units the UNSC has. The one thing I wonder about is what will they do when they eventually retire as they surely must at some point unless ONI just sends them on more and more risky mission hoping to get them killed off and merely reamin legends the hreros of the covenant war so no one finds out their true past.

Also what will halsey do will she just be left there to solve the problems with forerunner tech or will she find a way of escaping. ( 'Her' Spartans rescuing her?)

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  • 03.05.2012 2:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: CoRaMo
Glasslands was pretty awful. It felt like they were doing some serious retconning in this book.

It felt like an attempt to completely re-write the Sangheili's personality, as well their meaning to the story and the reader. It also wiped its ass with Halo 3's themes. (And Thel's character) Although I do find it beyond a co-incidence that the Elites are essentially made into villains again in this book as the confirmation of Covenant appearing in Halo 4 as an enemy faction comes out. I didn't dick around with the Elites in Halo 2 and 3, fight as one of them, fight for them and then ally with them, as well as read about the struggles of various Elites throughout the fiction to get to the truth, only to have 343i turn around and say "It didn't really mean much (Because we've got money to make)".

  • 03.05.2012 5:27 PM PDT


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Although I do find it beyond a co-incidence that the Elites are essentially made into villains again in this book as the confirmation of Covenant appearing in Halo 4 as an enemy faction comes out.


Source? I've never heard this. Hell I've heard the opposite saying they will be in the game, just not as the opposing force.

  • 03.05.2012 5:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Although I do find it beyond a co-incidence that the Elites are essentially made into villains again in this book as the confirmation of Covenant appearing in Halo 4 as an enemy faction comes out.

Source? I've never heard this. Hell I've heard the opposite saying they will be in the game, just not as the opposing force.

Yeah, I've read Destructoid's article on it, and it is secondary information at best. Here is a direct interview with Frank O'Connor.

Scroll to the very last question:

D: I know you're not going to elaborate too much but you mentioned a new enemy that will change everything. Can you talk a little more about that?

F: It's one of the biggest pieces of the whole picture. I will say that the familiar things will be back: there's still going to be a Covenant presence in the universe and you're still going to be fighting Covenant somewhere, but they're not necessarily the greatest threat that you have to deal with in Halo 4.

  • 03.05.2012 6:01 PM PDT

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