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Subject: Please no arbiter, here's why
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The arbiter was fun to play as and he gave another perspective to the story which was good for Halo 2 and he should be in halo 3 and playable in a few levels but it should be focused on cheif and DEFINATELY last level should be cheif.

  • 05.17.2006 6:56 PM PDT
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liek zOMG teh story is so deep and without teh arbitor its just mario bros and all u haterz just cant handel teh story or understand it teh arbiter rulez!1111

  • 05.18.2006 3:12 AM PDT
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ACTUALLY... seeing as Halo 1 was 100% Masterchieft and Halo 2 was pretty much 50/50 ... wouldent the most logic thing be a 100% Arbiter game?

*hides behind the great flame shield*

  • 05.18.2006 3:29 AM PDT

I go by many names, Shinigami, osiris, thanatos, Ares are but a few. But my name is not important for i am god and i am coming for you.

i am a master of my trade with these two hands i create great works. What is it i do?? ... well lets hope for your sake you never find out.

Like guns?? so do we, join Halo Armory and you can too

i liked playing as the arbiter but i think they should have two sides of the campaign like maybe MC = play through master cheifs storyline and when you complete it you get an acheovement for it, then if you want you can attempt the arbiter campaign and so forth.

  • 05.18.2006 3:35 AM PDT
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ya i think that u were arbiter to much in the game.i think that u should be able to play as every single character u c in the game.

  • 05.18.2006 4:34 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

All I hear are Master Chief fanbois who want a huge part of the story cut because "the arbiter is ghey".

The Arbiter simply cannot be removed; he has such a large part of Halo 2/3's story, that cutting him out would be stupid.

If alll you fanbois would stop whining, you'd realize that the Master Chief had MORE MISSIONS THAN THE ARBITER. Don't believe me?

The Heretic/Armory don't count.

The Master Chief has:

Cairo Station
Outskirts
Metropolis
Delta Halo
Regret
Gravemind
High Charity

The Arbiter has:

The Arbiter
Oracle
Sacred Icon
Quarantine Zone
Uprising
The Great Journey

Posted by: Frozen
ACTUALLY... seeing as Halo 1 was 100% Masterchieft and Halo 2 was pretty much 50/50 ... wouldent the most logic thing be a 100% Arbiter game?

*hides behind the great flame shield*


I won't flame you, but I do want to ask what the hell kind of logic you're using. A 100% Arbiter game with no Master Chief would make no sense, now that both characters exist within the Halo universe. In Halo 1, the Arbiter didn't exist.


[Edited on 5/18/2006]

  • 05.18.2006 4:43 AM PDT
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Nedus is right.

The Arbiter played more of a world shaping role than the Master Cheif did in Halo 2. He was so influential and significant that it would be impractical to have him removed or his role diminished.

It is like when they removed Henry from M*A*S*H, it was never the same afterwards.

You cant just randomly cut a major story part because some fanbois preferred killing grunts over flood.

  • 05.18.2006 4:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: Nedus
The Arbiter simply cannot be removed; he has such a large part of Halo 2/3's story, that cutting him out would be stupid.


Oh so you know Halo 3's story now?

You mean he was a large part of Halo 2's story. I don't see what he has to do with 'finishing the fight' on earth. I don't remember seeing him in the trailer.

He's not a bad character, and it was probably necessary to play as him a bit in Halo 2 to get the inside view of the covenant. But that's done now. If he has a part to play, he can be an NPC. Switching between playable characters is bad - it ruins the flow of the campaign, spoils the immersivity of the game and generally takes one good thing and splits it into two mediocre things.

And his outfit looks ridiculous :-P

  • 05.18.2006 4:52 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Posted by: RKs Meatballs
Posted by: Nedus
The Arbiter simply cannot be removed; he has such a large part of Halo 2/3's story, that cutting him out would be stupid.


Oh so you know Halo 3's story now?

You mean he was a large part of Halo 2's story. I don't see what he has to do with 'finishing the fight' on earth. I don't remember seeing him in the trailer.

He's not a bad character, and it was probably necessary to play as him a bit in Halo 2 to get the inside view of the covenant. But that's done now. If he has a part to play, he can be an NPC. Switching between playable characters is bad - it ruins the flow of the campaign, spoils the immersivity of the game and generally takes one good thing and splits it into two mediocre things.

And his outfit looks ridiculous :-P


You don't know Halo 3's story either, so don't assume he won't be part of finishing the fight. The trailer wasn't meant to show plot, hence why he didn't make an appearance. His appearing on Earth would most likely signify an alliance of sorts between the Covies and humans, and that Truth's forces were probably destroyed. I think that's plot.

Making him an NPC wouldn't make much sense either. Assuming the story picks up where it left off on Delta Halo, who are we going to play as to find the Ark? Miranda? I think not.

Also, I'm not bringing my personal opinions on the Arbiter's appearance or the "immersion factor" into my arguments. I'm simply stating facts, and/or making educated guesses based on existing facts. I suggest you do the same if you want to feel like you "won" the argument.

You don't think he has a huge part in the next game's story? Did you forget about the civil war in the Covenant, not to mention he, Sgt Johnson and Keyes are the only ones who know of the Ark and it's function, and the current status of the Halo system.

Yeah, I can see how that's a small, insignificant chunk of the story. Yup.

[Edited on 5/18/2006]

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Posted by: Nedus
Posted by: RKs Meatballs
Posted by: Nedus
The Arbiter simply cannot be removed; he has such a large part of Halo 2/3's story, that cutting him out would be stupid.


Oh so you know Halo 3's story now?

You mean he was a large part of Halo 2's story. I don't see what he has to do with 'finishing the fight' on earth. I don't remember seeing him in the trailer.

He's not a bad character, and it was probably necessary to play as him a bit in Halo 2 to get the inside view of the covenant. But that's done now. If he has a part to play, he can be an NPC. Switching between playable characters is bad - it ruins the flow of the campaign, spoils the immersivity of the game and generally takes one good thing and splits it into two mediocre things.

And his outfit looks ridiculous :-P


You don't know Halo 3's story either, so don't assume he won't be part of finishing the fight. The trailer wasn't meant to show plot, hence why he didn't make an appearance.

Making him an NPC wouldn't make much sense either. Assuming the story picks up where it left off on Delta Halo, who are we going to play as to find the Ark? Miranda? I think not.

You don't think he has a huge part in the next game's story? Did you forget about the civil war in the Covenant, not to mention he, Sgt Johnson and Keyes are the only ones who know of the Ark and it's function, and the current status of the Halo system.

Yeah, I can see how that's a small, insignificant chunk of the story. Yup.


Nobody insinuated he was an insignificant part of the story before. However there's no need to play as him now. We know the ark is on earth, the chief is actually on earth - what's the sense in having us run around as the arbiter trying to find where the ark is?

The sacrifice in gameplay that comes from chopping the campaign up is not worth the benefit of showing the arbiter's perspective - on events that are all occuring round earth anyway. Why force you to play as another character when it can all be done with cut-scenes?

  • 05.18.2006 5:14 AM PDT
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The reason we play as him and not watch cut scenes is the same reason you want him removed; immersion.

We relate and personify the Arbiter through playing as him, with the elites.

It all comes down to personal choice, I play Arbiter because I think he makes the story deeper, you play Chief becuase you think the Arbiter ruins the story.

  • 05.18.2006 5:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: RKs Meatballs
We know the ark is on earth, the chief is actually on earth - what's the sense in having us run around as the arbiter trying to find where the ark is?


im sure there will be more to the halo3 story than a dozen levels of 'run towards ark'

Why force you to play as another character when it can all be done with cut-scenes?

Why play the game at all when bungie can make us one big cutscene?

  • 05.18.2006 5:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: RKs Meatballs
Posted by: Nedus
Posted by: RKs Meatballs
Posted by: Nedus
The Arbiter simply cannot be removed; he has such a large part of Halo 2/3's story, that cutting him out would be stupid.


Oh so you know Halo 3's story now?

You mean he was a large part of Halo 2's story. I don't see what he has to do with 'finishing the fight' on earth. I don't remember seeing him in the trailer.

He's not a bad character, and it was probably necessary to play as him a bit in Halo 2 to get the inside view of the covenant. But that's done now. If he has a part to play, he can be an NPC. Switching between playable characters is bad - it ruins the flow of the campaign, spoils the immersivity of the game and generally takes one good thing and splits it into two mediocre things.

And his outfit looks ridiculous :-P


You don't know Halo 3's story either, so don't assume he won't be part of finishing the fight. The trailer wasn't meant to show plot, hence why he didn't make an appearance.

Making him an NPC wouldn't make much sense either. Assuming the story picks up where it left off on Delta Halo, who are we going to play as to find the Ark? Miranda? I think not.

You don't think he has a huge part in the next game's story? Did you forget about the civil war in the Covenant, not to mention he, Sgt Johnson and Keyes are the only ones who know of the Ark and it's function, and the current status of the Halo system.

Yeah, I can see how that's a small, insignificant chunk of the story. Yup.


Nobody insinuated he was an insignificant part of the story before. However there's no need to play as him now. We know the ark is on earth, the chief is actually on earth - what's the sense in having us run around as the arbiter trying to find where the ark is?

The sacrifice in gameplay that comes from chopping the campaign up is not worth the benefit of showing the arbiter's perspective - on events that are all occuring round earth anyway. Why force you to play as another character when it can all be done with cut-scenes?


Nobody said that the Arbiter would be chasing after the Ark. I said it would be a possibility if the game picked up after Halo 2. Besides, you don't know that the artifact on Earth is the Ark or not.

Why cut potential gameplay opprtunities from the game and replace it with cutscenes? I buy the GAME(not MOVIE), to play, not watch a bunch of cutscenes when I should be playing. That makes even less sense that cutting the character altogether.

Making bold claims about Halo 3's storyline when you know nothing at all kind of invalidates your "arguments".

[Edited on 5/18/2006]

  • 05.18.2006 5:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: Gendo
Posted by: RKs Meatballs
We know the ark is on earth, the chief is actually on earth - what's the sense in having us run around as the arbiter trying to find where the ark is?


im sure there will be more to the halo3 story than a dozen levels of 'run towards ark'

I can only assume you're deliberately trying to miss my point. I'm saying there is now no seperate mission for the arbiter - everything focuses on earth. MC is there, the ark is there, Truth is there - and where do you think high charity will be headed? So, what is the arbiter going to be doing that requires us to see his own point of view, rather than the collective point of view?


Why force you to play as another character when it can all be done with cut-scenes?

Why play the game at all when bungie can make us one big cutscene?


Once again I'm saying the involvement of the arbiter will no longer be seperate to the involvement of the chief and all the other characters. So, why does he need his own campaign? Cutscenes serve the other secondary characters fine.

Incidentally, 'one big cutscene' is kind of what Halo 2 felt like to me actually. I felt like a spectator. That's the sacrifice of giving you a wider or more varied perspective and personally I thought it devalued the campaign. All in the name of story I suppose. I'm saying now we do not need a wider perspective. Unless you think we should play as Gravemind too now?

  • 05.18.2006 5:29 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

You're intentionally ignoring other people's arguments. You do not know that the artifact is the Ark. If it were, don't you think this forum would be called "The Ark"?

Quit making such bold statements. You know nothing. Neither do I, but then again, I'm not the one saying that the artifact IS the Ark.

How is High Charity going to get there? It's in the middle of a massive civil war, and it has no Prophet leadership that we know of. If Bungie have brains, they won't just make this civil war disappear. And if it doesn't disappear, then there's most likely gonna be some action going down at Delta Halo. That's a big chunk of the plot, you know.

And what about Cortana and Gravemind? They're on HC, which is at Delta Halo. So is the Arbiter, Miranda, and Sgt. Johnson, not to mention 343 GC and Halfjaw, all of whom are important to the story. Are they on Earth? As far as we know, no.

[Edited on 5/18/2006]

  • 05.18.2006 5:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Eyeshine
This is the last game in the series (so you say) and this game should belong to the Master Chief! That's why Halo 2's ending sucked! You were the arbiter on the last level! Please no arbiter, or at least not as much! Please Bungie!


THANK YOU!!!!! Finally someone that agree's with me. I really didn't like the Arbiter in Halo 2, the only thing I liked about him was the Active Camo and that wasn't all that great.

  • 05.18.2006 5:37 AM PDT
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Kick arbiter right out! 3/4ths of the Halo fans hated Arbiter! I can barely find him on the Internet!

  • 05.18.2006 5:40 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

3/4ths of the Halo fans on your block maybe. Seeing that you don't speak for millions of people, I suggest you stop trying.

  • 05.18.2006 5:41 AM PDT
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The story in halo 3...

The arbiter should be running around to each of the halos why chief is trying to get to truth...
and whilest on the halos (arby) he should blow them all up rendering them useless

this would have dire consequences as never being able to stop the flood?

but i digress....Arby was cool and it opened up a good story into an excellent story (so i thought) cloaking is cheating....chief has to punch on the whole way so im a chief fan...or a lazy cheater..

nuff sed

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  • 05.18.2006 5:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: Nedus
3/4ths of the Halo fans on your block maybe. Seeing that you don't speak for millions of people, I suggest you stop trying.


No he's not but I've seen votes and posts at this one website I dont rember where but anyway it was about 3/4 of the people that voted "HATED" the Arbiter.

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Posted by: Nedus
You're intentionally ignoring other people's arguments. You do not know that the artifact is the Ark. If it were, don't you think this forum would be called "The Ark"?

Quit making such bold statements. You know nothing. Neither do I, but then again, I'm not the one saying that the artifact IS the Ark.


You are right. I don't know anything concrete. I would put money on it being the ark though. Would you put money on it not being the ark? If you would, I hope you don't gamble much.


How is High Charity going to get there? It's in the middle of a massive civil war, and it has no Prophet leadership that we know of. If Bungie have brains, they won't just make this civil war disappear. And if it doesn't disappear, then there's most likely gonna be some action going down at Delta Halo. That's a big chunk of the plot, you know. And what about Cortana and Gravemind? They're on HC, which is at Delta Halo. So is the Arbiter, Miranda, and Sgt. Johnson, not to mention 343 GC and Halfjaw, all of whom are important to the story. Are they on Earth? As far as we know, no.


High Charity is under Flood control, remember. It will go where the Flood, or the Gravemind, want it to. Where do you think it will go? Do you think Gravemind is going to just stay there?

Perhaps Johnson, Miranda, and the Arbiter will stick around to fight the brutes. But to what end, story-wise?

I really don't see any way that the story is doing anything other than converging on earth.

  • 05.18.2006 5:46 AM PDT
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I hate the little terd!

  • 05.18.2006 5:47 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Posted by: RKs Meatballs
Posted by: Nedus
You're intentionally ignoring other people's arguments. You do not know that the artifact is the Ark. If it were, don't you think this forum would be called "The Ark"?

Quit making such bold statements. You know nothing. Neither do I, but then again, I'm not the one saying that the artifact IS the Ark.


You are right. I don't know anything concrete. I would put money on it being the ark though. Would you put money on it not being the ark? If you would, I hope you don't gamble much.


How is High Charity going to get there? It's in the middle of a massive civil war, and it has no Prophet leadership that we know of. If Bungie have brains, they won't just make this civil war disappear. And if it doesn't disappear, then there's most likely gonna be some action going down at Delta Halo. That's a big chunk of the plot, you know. And what about Cortana and Gravemind? They're on HC, which is at Delta Halo. So is the Arbiter, Miranda, and Sgt. Johnson, not to mention 343 GC and Halfjaw, all of whom are important to the story. Are they on Earth? As far as we know, no.


High Charity is under Flood control, remember. It will go where the Flood, or the Gravemind, want it to. Where do you think it will go? Do you think Gravemind is going to just stay there?

Perhaps Johnson, Miranda, and the Arbiter will stick around to fight the brutes. But to what end, story-wise?

I really don't see any way that the story is doing anything other than converging on earth.


I wouldn't put money on anything concerning Halo 3, period, simply because nothing aout this game is concrete at this point.

If you acknowledge that you don't know anything, why didn't you say that instead of making yourself look like a jackass by saying you know things that you don't? Making assumptions based on facts is fine, but making assumptions based on non-existant facts makes you look dumb.

Good example: "I think that the artifact is the Ark because all of the Covenant seem to be converging on it, and Regret was here before, and found the coordinates to Delta Halo. The Ark most likely has the coordinates to all the installations; after all, it IS like a control center. Of course, this is just an assumption, and open to debate."

Bad example: "It IS the Ark because I think it is, therefore, it is."

Sure, HC may be under Flood control(we assume). That doesn't mean that there aren't Covenant still there, fighting. After All, we only saw a tiny section of HC.

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  • 05.18.2006 5:53 AM PDT

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Chapter 20, Revelations, is up (update 11-14-10)
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It's possible that Kelly and Dr. Halsey have been running around disabling halos, which would explain why several of them were purple instead of green in the holographic display in the end. They could very well come into play.

If there were two spartans in the game, do you think people would stop complaining about the Arbiter as a playable character?

By the way, High Charity is surrounded by Elite ships that survived the fighting with the Brutes, and Truth's forerunner ship served as the city's power source. It can't go anywhere... at the moment. But if the Flood were smart enough to almost be able to repair the Pillar of Autumn to the point they could fly off Halo 04 on it, they're probably smart enough to find a new power source for the city, in which case they could go anywhere in the galaxy...

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it couldn't have been the ark because only miranda, the arbiter and johnson(rocks!!) know about it. i personaly think its just a made up piece of work to attract attention to viewers...and by the way...the arbiter is not the worst part in halo 2, I didn't like the flood cuz its jst so...dumb if u know what i mean... =)

  • 05.18.2006 5:55 AM PDT