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I dont know if this is old news/ discussion or not but I just stumbled upon a book called Ringworld earlier and found it very intriguing. The story isn't quite the same as Halo but I had never known that the idea of a "ringworld"/Halo ring was ever used before. Does anyone know if these books inspired Bungie to make Halo?

  • 02.09.2012 8:04 PM PDT

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  • 02.09.2012 8:23 PM PDT

You only die once, better make it count.

Waitwut?

Is wikipedia trolling?

  • 02.09.2012 8:28 PM PDT

Nope. These are legit books! I was so surprised when I saw them!

  • 02.09.2012 8:43 PM PDT
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Oh yeah, Halo for sure used Ringworld as inspiration, just as it used many other things from various movies and games.

  • 02.09.2012 10:03 PM PDT

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  • 02.09.2012 10:06 PM PDT
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Thank goodness they didn't use the concept of rishathra. Would have made for an alltogether different gameplay experience...

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Posted by: Guscon
Thank goodness they didn't use the concept of rishathra. Would have made for an alltogether different gameplay experience...


Don't believe I've heard that one before, what's it about?

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I dont know if this is old news/ discussion or not but I just stumbled upon a book called Ringworld earlier and found it very intriguing. The story isn't quite the same as Halo but I had never known that the idea of a "ringworld"/Halo ring was ever used before. Does anyone know if these books inspired Bungie to make Halo?
I'm afraid that this has been common knowledge to many of us for a very long time. I haven't read the books but I've heard they are a good read.

Rendezvous with Rama is a very interesting book too, as far as I have been told.

[Edited on 02.09.2012 11:22 PM PST]

  • 02.09.2012 11:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sandtrap
Posted by: Guscon
Thank goodness they didn't use the concept of rishathra. Would have made for an alltogether different gameplay experience...
Don't believe I've heard that one before, what's it about?
Ringworld is much much bigger than the Halo installations. Wheras a Halo is a Lagrange-point locked station with diameter on the order of 100 Km, Ringworld is an orbit spanning construction, with a diameter of around 2 AU.
As such, it's quite literally massive, and has a very large habitable surface, upon which many many different species live. Many of these species are sapient, and of different levels of sophistication.
Neighboring species will often trade with eachother, and in the interests of keeping good relations will also often engage in rishathra, or inter-species sex.
As the species differ, there is no risk of pregnancy (I forget how they get around STIs) and so rishathra is usually pretty freely observed.
There are some species that dislike the practice, and some that are less 'easy' about it than others, but it remains a main theme in the Ringworld series over the course of the books.

As I say, it would have made for a different game.

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Posted by: Guscon
Posted by: Sandtrap
Posted by: Guscon
Thank goodness they didn't use the concept of rishathra. Would have made for an alltogether different gameplay experience...
Don't believe I've heard that one before, what's it about?
Ringworld is much much bigger than the Halo installations. Wheras a Halo is a Lagrange-point locked station with diameter on the order of 100 Km, Ringworld is an orbit spanning construction, with a diameter of around 2 AU.
As such, it's quite literally massive, and has a very large habitable surface, upon which many many different species live. Many of these species are sapient, and of different levels of sophistication.
Neighboring species will often trade with eachother, and in the interests of keeping good relations will also often engage in rishathra, or inter-species sex.
As the species differ, there is no risk of pregnancy (I forget how they get around STIs) and so rishathra is usually pretty freely observed.
There are some species that dislike the practice, and some that are less 'easy' about it than others, but it remains a main theme in the Ringworld series over the course of the books.

As I say, it would have made for a different game.


Thanks for clearing that up. Indeed, that sure would have made Halo very different. Some might say, Mass Effectish.

  • 02.10.2012 12:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sandtrap

Posted by: Guscon
Posted by: Sandtrap
Posted by: Guscon
Thank goodness they didn't use the concept of rishathra. Would have made for an alltogether different gameplay experience...
Don't believe I've heard that one before, what's it about?
Ringworld is much much bigger than the Halo installations. Wheras a Halo is a Lagrange-point locked station with diameter on the order of 100 Km, Ringworld is an orbit spanning construction, with a diameter of around 2 AU.
As such, it's quite literally massive, and has a very large habitable surface, upon which many many different species live. Many of these species are sapient, and of different levels of sophistication.
Neighboring species will often trade with eachother, and in the interests of keeping good relations will also often engage in rishathra, or inter-species sex.
As the species differ, there is no risk of pregnancy (I forget how they get around STIs) and so rishathra is usually pretty freely observed.
There are some species that dislike the practice, and some that are less 'easy' about it than others, but it remains a main theme in the Ringworld series over the course of the books.

As I say, it would have made for a different game.


Thanks for clearing that up. Indeed, that sure would have made Halo very different. Some might say, Mass Effectish.

  • 02.10.2012 2:34 AM PDT


Posted by: Guscon
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Posted by: Guscon
Thank goodness they didn't use the concept of rishathra. Would have made for an alltogether different gameplay experience...
Don't believe I've heard that one before, what's it about?
with diameter on the order of 100 Km,


You're 29,900 kilometers short if you use the original Halo's size. 9,900 if you use contemporary Halo.


Posted by: Reptilian Rob
Halo = Giant copy pasta of elements of Larry Niven's work, all of it.


That's a gross overstatement--the Ringworld is the only thing I can think of that can be directly contributed to Niven. That isn't to say other sources weren't used, like Alien, but I mean to say Bungie took some preexisting concepts and expounded upon them, mixed in with some of their own ideas. It is not in anyway a copy paste.

@OP Niven was even contacted to write the first Halo book, but he declined because Halo wasn't a universe he was familiar with.

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So the ringworld is the size of installation 03 ?

  • 02.10.2012 4:42 AM PDT

Wow I never knew all of this. Thanks for the input guys! I think I might take a look into reading these books.

  • 02.10.2012 6:20 AM PDT


Posted by: FTW 1997
So the ringworld is the size of installation 03 ?


No, the Ringworld is the size of Earth's orbit. There's a sun in the middle and the distance from the sun to the Ringworld's inside edge is about the distance from Earth to the Sun. The inside surface area of the Ringworld is massive at approximately 3 million times the surface area of earth.

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Posted by: FTW 1997
So the ringworld is the size of installation 03 ?


No, the Ringworld is the size of Earth's orbit. There's a sun in the middle and the distance from the sun to the Ringworld's inside edge is about the distance from Earth to the Sun. The inside surface area of the Ringworld is massive at approximately 3 million times the surface area of earth.


Wow, Truly big, thanks.

  • 02.10.2012 8:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: Guscon
with diameter on the order of 100 Km,
You're 29,900 kilometers short if you use the original Halo's size. 9,900 if you use contemporary Halo.
What's an order of magnitude or two between friends ;)
But thanks :)

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Posted by: Guscon
Neighboring species will often trade with eachother, and in the interests of keeping good relations will also often engage in rishathra, or inter-species sex.


O_o

  • 02.10.2012 3:45 PM PDT

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  • 02.10.2012 4:20 PM PDT

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There is also a book called MARATHON which Bungie used A LOT of inspiration to make a game called MARATHON.

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Posted by: Sandtrap
Oh yeah, Halo for sure used Ringworld as inspiration, just as it used many other things from various movies and games.
This. They took The Flood from this other novel. You could even said they took the whole ancient race died fighting The Flood from the same book.

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There is also a book called MARATHON which Bungie used A LOT of inspiration to make a game called MARATHON.
Now I think about it, there's also a fair bit of inter-species intimacy in that (or at least more than one might expect. Took me by surprise at least...).
A theme in Bungie's inspirations, or a theme of sci-fi in general?

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