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Poll: Do you think we will see another Spartan in Halo 3, besides Master ...  [closed]
Yes. :  63%
(49 Votes)
No. :  37%
(29 Votes)
Total Votes: 78

SPARTAN HISTORY

Spartan II's - 1st group, 2517

150 original candidates out of which there was funding for only half (FoR Ch. 2)

75 total pre-augmentation (stated several times; FoR Ch.4 also mistakenly mentions "seventy-four"; as well, there other reports of 67, etc.)

30 died during surgery ("Thirty candidates had 'washed out' of the Spartan program; they died during the augmentation process." FoR Ch.7)

* No names known

12 crippled in surgery (FoR Ch.7 "There were a dozen others, though, who had lived... but were no longer soldiers."; "The other dozen, suffering from side effects of the process, had been permanently reassigned within the Office of Naval Intelligence.")

* Kirk
* Fhajad-084
* Rene
* 9 others left unnamed

33 left in the squad ("There were only thirty-two soldiers left in his squad [besides John?]" FoR Ch.7; "John glanced around the launch chamber; Sam, Kelly, and thirty others still stood at attention in their black dress uniforms [1+2+30=33]" FoR Ch.7; "The other Spartans stood at attention. Thirty-three - too many for this operation." FoR Ch. 9)

* 3 away on missions too distant to be easily recalled ("...save three, who are otherwise engaged on fields of combat too distant to be easily recalled." FoR Ch.26)
* 3 Spartans KIA over the past decade, 2542-2552; not including Samuel ("...there have only been three KIAs..." FoR Ch.26)
* 1 more Spartan (Samuel-034) KIA during Covenant ship infiltration in 2525
* 1 Spartan seriously wounded, could not continue active duty ("...and one Spartan too wounded to continue active duty." [possibly Cassanndra?] FoR Ch.26)

This leaves 25 present at Reach before splitting into Red and Blue teams (with 3 more away making 28 active Spartans in total) which adds up and is confirmed during Halsey's briefing ("Clustered around him were two dozen Spartans: Fred, Linda, Joshua, James, and many others he had not spoken to for years...[2 dozen + John = 25]" FoR Ch.26)

However, it is stated that there are 30 Spartans at Reach at the beginning of H1/First Strike ("The primary storage bay had been converted into barracks for the thirty Spartans" FoR Ch.29; "Twenty-seven Spartans braced themselves... [plus the 3 in orbit = 30]" FS p.7). This is inconsistent with the number of 25 at Reach established earlier/above.

Regardless, from here they split into 2 teams:

* Blue Team has 3 members:
o John-117
o Linda-058 is 'killed' but eventually revived
o James is blasted of into space Frank Poole style, marked MIA
* Red Team supposedly has 27 members (number mentioned several times; it "should" have 22):
o 4 KIA during the Reach freefall
+ Malcolm-059
+ 3 others unnamed
o Alpha Team: 3 members
+ Red 1: Frederic-104
+ Red 2: Kelly-087 (later abducted by Halsey; alive, but MIA)
+ Red 3: Joshua-029 (goes missing in LZ Assault; MIA, assumed KIA)
o Beta Team: whoever is left from Red 4-11 and Red 13-20; either 11 or 6 Spartans depending on the accepted initial count
+ No members named
+ All MIA/KIA during generator defense
o Gamma Team 3 members
+ Red 21: Anton-044, killed by a ship plasma bolt, MIA/KIA (FS p.235)
+ Red 22: Grace-093, who is later killed by Brutes aboard the Unyielding Hierophant, KIA (FS p.315)
+ Red 23: Li-008, killed by a ship plasma bolt, MIA/KIA (FS p.235)
o Delta Team 6 members
+ Red 12: William-043
+ Red ?: Isaac-039, assumed dead retreating into Forerunner caves on Reach, MIA/KIA (FS p.148)
+ Red ?: Vinh-030, assumed dead retreating into Forerunner caves on Reach, MIA/KIA (FS p.148)
+ 3 others unnamed, MIA/KIA

In summation...

Essentially, the only major inconsistency is the sudden jump from 25 to 30 Spartans on the Pillar of Autumn pre-Reach attack; so far everything else adds up. At present, the list of remaining, active Spartans is as follows:

* John-117
* Frederic-104
* Linda-058
* William-043
* Kelly-087 (abducted by Halsey)
* The 3 away on distant missions

For a total of 8 alive and well.

Also alive, but not active, are the 12 crippled from surgery and the one too wounded to continue active duty, for a total of 21.

Several others are listed MIA but may yet realistically resurface if the story demands it; their "deaths" occcured under foggy enough circumstances (such as James et al.)

There are more being trained but they have yet to be specifically mentioned or seen by anyone ("...he had overheard Dr. Halsey mention that Chief Mendez was training another group of Spartans. He had never seen them..." FoR Ch.24)

Other Groups

There were originally only 150 Spartan II candidates (Master Chief is #117), so Nicole's number seems extremely off. However, Bungie mentions that Master Chief's group was only the first, and that others are also being trained, but mentions little else about who they are, where they're being trained, or how many, although Nicole's number suggests at least another three groups of similar size to the one Master Chief was taken in.

SPARTANS LISTED

SPARTAN 008 Li
SPARTAN 029 Joshua
SPARTAN 030 Vinh
SPARTAN 034 Samuel
SPARTAN 039 Isaac
SPARTAN 043 Will
SPARTAN 044 Anton
SPARTAN 058 Linda
SPARTAN 059 Malcolm
SPARTAN 084 Fahjad
SPARTAN 087 Kelly
SPARTAN 093 Grace
SPARTAN 104 Frederic
SPARTAN 117 John (Master Chief)

SPARTAN 458 Nicole

Unnamed Spartans

SPARTAN ??? Cassandra
SPARTAN ??? Kirk
SPARTAN ??? Rene
SPARTAN ??? James

Note: If you know any more Spartans please tell me so I can update it. Especially Bungie, because they should definately know some that I'm missing.

Note: Please post comments below about what you think and if you know any more information about the Spartans of the UNSCDF.
(United Nations Space Command Defense Forces)

Thank you,
Lucky Sniper 08


[Edited on 5/19/2006]

  • 05.18.2006 9:44 PM PDT
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wha???????

  • 05.18.2006 9:45 PM PDT
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We can forget about Nicole, becuase she isn't canon.

  • 05.18.2006 9:47 PM PDT
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I was just wondering if Bungie could give out any more information about the Spartans, like the one's I'm missing or other back ground information that isn't listed, without getting in trouble.

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  • 05.18.2006 10:07 PM PDT
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And in fact Lucky Sniper, there is only 6 Spartans left.

John {Master Chief}
Kelly
Fred
Linda
Will
Nicole {DoA 4 canon or not?}

  • 05.18.2006 10:19 PM PDT
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Don't flame him. His question my have been stupid, but he did create a handy lista of all the spartans. Also, he did name only 6 spartans as remaining if you bothered to even read his post.

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  • 05.18.2006 10:19 PM PDT
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thanks for the research I'm pretty sure you're right. At the end of FS i counted 'em up and i got 6, but i dont' know.

  • 05.18.2006 10:22 PM PDT
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Yin_Yang41: [Forum Lockers] are very bad men. They bust into my place and lock it. Thats like tossing a puppy in a woodchipper...its just plain mean(and messy lol)

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YIP YIP YIP YIP YIP

BTW who's Li?

  • 05.18.2006 10:23 PM PDT
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With colonel Ackerson turning out a new batch of spartans, and commanding them you might even have to battle them.

  • 05.18.2006 10:28 PM PDT
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Li was the one adept in zero-grav fighting. He's the only Spartan who even likes space...heck, he's the only one who prefers space over ground combat. He trained on the Chiron facility that orbits Mars. (Found that one out today. That explains what Chiron is. It's on the first page of chapter 24 of First Strike.)

  • 05.18.2006 10:29 PM PDT
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chron tl4?

  • 05.18.2006 10:31 PM PDT
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Li was the one adept in zero-grav fighting. He's the only Spartan who even likes space...heck, he's the only one who prefers space over ground combat. He trained on the Chiron facility that orbits Mars. (Found that one out today. That explains what Chiron is. It's on the first page of chapter 24 of First Strike.)


Finally, someone who knows what they're talking about. Alright. Can you give any more info on the spartans though or is that all of them?

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  • 05.18.2006 10:47 PM PDT
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Can Bungie give any more info on the spartans that isn't posted in this thread.

  • 05.19.2006 5:39 AM PDT

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Dam, nice thread Lucky Sniper!

Though I doubt we'll see another Spartan in Halo 3, this is still a great list of the Spartans and good info about their history. Nice job.

  • 05.19.2006 6:05 AM PDT
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Wow.....you're good.

  • 05.19.2006 6:14 AM PDT
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yeah, other spartans need to be in the game if there is a twist where the Elites hunters and grunts don't join the humans, the humans NEED another bit of help. But, since the Elites hunters and grunts will join the humans like halo 2, there is no real need for the spartans, but it would be cool.

  • 05.19.2006 6:43 AM PDT
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If anyone has the limited edition halo 2 read the communications from the universe booklet u get inside and the last letter is from cassandra saying she is in level four recovery and cant wait to try the new mark VI armor so maybe she'll come back to help

  • 05.19.2006 6:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: seraphseven
If anyone has the limited edition halo 2 read the communications from the universe booklet u get inside and the last letter is from cassandra saying she is in level four recovery and cant wait to try the new mark VI armor so maybe she'll come back to help

Good Theory...
I edited my first post a little...

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[Edited on 5/19/2006]

  • 05.19.2006 6:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: Lucky Sniper 08
Posted by: seraphseven
If anyone has the limited edition halo 2 read the communications from the universe booklet u get inside and the last letter is from cassandra saying she is in level four recovery and cant wait to try the new mark VI armor so maybe she'll come back to help


Good Theory...
I edited my first post a little...

-Lucky Sniper 08-


I think that towards the end of Halo3 Masterchief will really be up against it and stand against impossibile odds - then a cut scene kicks in and shows the remaining Spartans coming in and kicking butt;

Place - Earth

Masterchief stands alone battered and bruised and exhausted,the structure that is so important to the covenant stands behind him,the chief the last line of defence,he glances to the distance and sees the covenant war machine surging towards him - wraiths,ghosts and spectres loaded with the enemys finest.
Then something metal glinting in the sun catches the chiefs eye,1 km away and closing rapidly on his position is a single pelican dropship,as it touches down the doors burst open and the remaining Spartans walk over to the chief and make the sign of a smile,to which the chief responds with the same gesture.
"We thought you could do with a hand" - Linda
"Just like the old days" - Will
"Lets show them that they pissed of the wrong people this time" - John

Then the game kicks in again and instead of several mairines helping you as in Halo 1 and 2 you have the Spartans doing the business.

  • 05.19.2006 7:25 AM PDT
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yeah, think we should see anothr Spartan becuz most of the few marines Earth had are dead, and really it is just MC standing alone.

  • 05.19.2006 12:36 PM PDT
Subject: HALO 3 SPARTANS? MAYBE...

DONT YOU GET IT? ALL SPARTANS ARE DEAD EXCEPT FOR THE MASTER CHIEF! END OF STORY.

  • 05.19.2006 12:41 PM PDT
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I hope Bungie adds more Spartans. They really need to. Towards the end of the game MC will probably take to take on all the Covies. He needs help.

If the do add more Spartans, I think it will probably be seven (Including MC) We all know how bungie likes the number 7.

  • 05.19.2006 12:44 PM PDT
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sure theres other spartans in books but if you want to keep to the game storyline there won't be any. at the beginning of halo1 it says only master chief survived , if you read the manual for halo CE

  • 05.19.2006 12:48 PM PDT

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