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Posted by: link 1264
And yeah, Opey could probably win that game without using his BR. Best SMG user in Halo.


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Okay, some guy just posted a thread about getting rid of dual-wielding. Saying that it actually weakened all of the guns. I don't believe that now. I just did a test with the Plasma Rifle, the SMG, and the Assault Rifle.

The Plasma Rifle in Halo 2 takes about 8 shots to kill you. The SMG was about 14-16 squeezes of the trigger [squeezes, not full auto].
The Plasma Rifle in Halo CE took 14 shots to kill you! The Assault Rifle took about 16-18 squeezes of the trigger [squeezes, not full auto]. What's wierd is that Bungie actually increased the power of these guns [except the pistol of course]. So all of you people who want to get rid of dual-wielding, are only people that want the original pistol [which, I admit, I loved too] But you have to admit, it was kind of unbalanced. And if you want the pistol, use the Battle Rifle. As simple as that.

Now in Halo 3, it looks like the Assault Rifle has made a comeback. [I hope its just a single shot BR with an AR skin] If it is indeed the AR, then the SMG would actually [by itself] kick its butt!

[note, I did most of these tests with still subjects, so some of your shots may miss in a real game]

[Edited on 5/19/2006]

  • 05.19.2006 4:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: link 1264
And yeah, Opey could probably win that game without using his BR. Best SMG user in Halo.


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What are you sorry for? The pistol may have been the most powerful weapon in Halo CE, but Bungie fixed it with the BR, which is only 4 headshots, and you have to pick it up.

  • 05.19.2006 4:33 PM PDT

The pistol wasn't the strongest. Especially since most of the time, everyone spawned with it. It gave you atleast a small chance of killing a rocket guy right in front of you.

  • 05.19.2006 4:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: digitalsheep
im sorry but i could not stand the pistol being the most powerful weapon in the game.

I agree. It would be the most unbalnced weapon in the game.
1. it had a scope
2. 2 shots to the head and your dead. tell me one game that has a pistol that strong. it was great but way to unbalanced. I think the pistol is more of a noob weapon.

  • 05.19.2006 4:37 PM PDT
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I thought a burst from H2 Plasma rifle fires 2 shots.

And it's 3 shots to the head to kill. Not 2.

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  • 05.19.2006 4:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: link 1264
And yeah, Opey could probably win that game without using his BR. Best SMG user in Halo.


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Yeah, I think it balanced the game better. Since if the other team hoarded all of the power weapons, your team had a chance to come back with one of the best guns that you automatically spawn with.

  • 05.19.2006 4:38 PM PDT

Posted by: Noob A Manjar0
2. 2 shots to the head and your dead. tell me one game that has a pistol that strong. it was great but way to unbalanced. I think the pistol is more of a noob weapon.


It was three head shots...

I prefer the BR over the Pistol. Having a really powerful rifle rather than having a really powerful pistol just seems more realistic to me...

  • 05.19.2006 4:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: link 1264
And yeah, Opey could probably win that game without using his BR. Best SMG user in Halo.


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Posted by: Fatso
I thought a burst from H2 Plasma rifle fires 2 shots.

And it's 3 shots to the head to kill. Not 2.


Note, I said squeezes of the trigger. But its pretty much the same.

  • 05.19.2006 4:43 PM PDT
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Still the freeze was lost on the plasma rifle probably because of duel wielding. Makes getting those killing shots in much easier when they couldn't move or aim.

And you have to admit the AR had much better range over the SMG. Try it on vehicles and see how effective it is.

  • 05.19.2006 5:02 PM PDT
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Uhhh rockets in close quarters, plasma rifle from behind, shotgun camper around the corner, switch to a pistol too etc. All of them can take down the pistol.

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  • 05.19.2006 5:08 PM PDT

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well if u want a chance then start with a BR, and forget about the pistol. the problem wiht the pistol was that it was way too powerful for any other weapon. there was no point of grabbing anyother weapon(except rocket launcher, or sniper on sidewinder), it was jsut boring at most times. but with teh BR it actually takes skill because u need all 3 shots from one burst and if a bullet or 2 were to stray from the target from crappy handling then a guy with an smg and a grenade could easily take the person with a BR out.

  • 05.19.2006 5:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: CagedObscurity
The pistol wasn't the strongest. Especially since most of the time, everyone spawned with it. It gave you atleast a small chance of killing a rocket guy right in front of you.

This is why I love Rocket games, the strong weapon that everyone spawns with gives me a great chance of killing someone who has a better weapon than me!

It's so balanced it's unbelieveable! I hart hCE bring bak teh pistol bungi!!!11

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Pistol = Unbalanced
Halo CE Campaign > Halo 2 Campaign
Halo CE Multiplayer < Halo 2 Multiplayer

End of story.

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  • 05.19.2006 5:11 PM PDT
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the pistol just made people leave out other weapons, i mean have u ever seen sum1 use a plasma pistol in H:CE, the BR at least had more balance and it was more realistic, with a accurate strong rifle not an accurate, strong,scoped pistol

  • 05.19.2006 8:29 PM PDT
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I think that your health in Halo 1 is stronger than in Halo 2 because you not only get shields, but health, in Halo 2 you only get the shields. But i don't know.

  • 05.19.2006 8:33 PM PDT
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Halo 1 Pistol ...was (dont murder me) -blam!-! 3 SHOTS? I mean seriously ..COME ON! That is just rediculous. The H2 pistol needs to be a little better tho. The Halo 1 pistol was classified as a SNIPER weapon, um...ok..a pistol is now a sniper rifle..yeah, right. Maybe Halo 2 pistol, but with a 2x or 3x scope on it and more accuracy is a good balance. Anyone wanting to duel-wield Halo 1 pistol is surely a noob. BR is better in my opinion, although i prefere a Covie Carbine over it. It has more ammo and shots, at least it seems so to me. plus, it takes 1 br round to get a headshot kill, so congrats theres a waste of bullets, the BR needs a single-shot ability like it WAS going to have before Halo 2 came out (watch the in-game videos of Zanzibar). 3 shot burst to take out shields faster, 1 shot to the head to dispatch them. the Carbine would then need a 2-shot burst (carbine slugs ARE more powerful than BR bullets). We need a Fuel Rod Gun in MP too, to match and balance with the Rocket Launcher. Not the SP version tho, that would be cheap. It would have less overall ammo in the clip, less ammo you can hold max, and slightly slower fire rate, but it would then need to have a projectile speed increase, as the fuel rods are REALLY SLOW. A snail could beat one in a race for gods sake. They need to keep the speed they have when they are fired, which is about 10, after 10 it drops to 4 I think, so it needs to STAY 10 to be better at actully hitting a fast moving banshee. Which brings me to say the Banshee NEEDS the fuel rod cannon it has in SP. Its not even as powerful as a rocket, and jet its banned. It needs to be in MP, but to balance it, just make it fire slower than the SP banshee. If you havnt looked at the banshees description, then you should do so, as it says its used PRIMARILY as a air-to-ground BOMBER (hint hint:BOMBER). Without the fuel rod the banshees true role is erased. We also need an equivalent to the Gauss warthog now, a spectre that fires a fuel rod that goes as fast as a gauss shell, but is as powerful as a gauss shell, would be perfect, and it would fire as fast as a gauss hog.

  • 05.19.2006 8:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Chamillitary610
I think that your health in Halo 1 is stronger than in Halo 2 because you not only get shields, but health, in Halo 2 you only get the shields. But i don't know.


Actully you have do have health, but call it "Damage Resistance" or "Damage Threshold". It also regenerates over time. I think they made it that way so it wasnt annoying that you were almost dead and you were running around for a health pack (which you probably wouldnt find in time, meaning your 100% dead)

  • 05.19.2006 8:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
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2. 2 shots to the head and your dead. tell me one game that has a pistol that strong. it was great but way to unbalanced. I think the pistol is more of a noob weapon.


It was three head shots...

I prefer the BR over the Pistol. Having a really powerful rifle rather than having a really powerful pistol just seems more realistic to me...

Who cares about realism, alot of the things in this game/series aren't "realistic". Besides, the thing shot high-explosive rounds, think that would give it some power, no?

  • 05.19.2006 8:58 PM PDT
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Elite sniper yes I am shocked for your horrible post =) but nice try anyway

  • 05.19.2006 9:05 PM PDT

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2. 2 shots to the head and your dead. tell me one game that has a pistol that strong. it was great but way to unbalanced. I think the pistol is more of a noob weapon.


It was three head shots...

I prefer the BR over the Pistol. Having a really powerful rifle rather than having a really powerful pistol just seems more realistic to me...

Who cares about realism, alot of the things in this game/series aren't "realistic". Besides, the thing shot high-explosive rounds, think that would give it some power, no?

It's not just the realism factor, 3 shot kills from anything is just plain stupid. We already have powerful weapons (rocket, sniper), why give us a little of both in a sidearm?

It was unbalanced.

  • 05.20.2006 1:37 PM PDT
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How can you guys say that the pistol was unrealistic! It's the most realistic weapon in the game! In real life there are pistols that use scopes (Here's a picture of one), they are pistols made specifically for one shot kills like sniper rifles but for closer range! And they are usually armed with armor piercing rounds.

Now, if you look at the M6D Pistol from Halo 1, it's rounds are exploding too! Exploding rounds are rounds that explode when they enter an object! And this is the future, so the armor piercing rounds are probably gonna be stronger then they are now.

If someone, wearing armor, get's hit by armor piercing rounds that explode, in the head, they are gonna be dead in at least 3 shots (I say at least because the first two shots might not fully penetrate the armor).

Now if you compare this to the other weapons in the game (like the rifles) you would think, "well why don't the rifles kill that fast". And it's simple, their not using exploding rounds! Their shots hit but don't explode, thus needing more shots to fully penetrate the armour and kill who's inside.

And yes the M6D pistol is balanced! Think of the M6D pistol in Halo 2, if it was a one handed gun (a guy you couldn't duel weild), how would it compare to the other weapons in the game? Also, in Halo 1, when your playing a game (like one on one), you die, your opponent get's all the weapons like Rocket Launcher, Sniper Rifle, ect. At least you still have a weapon that gives you a fighting chance! Will you win with just the pistol? Not always, but sometimes.

I play Halo 1 all the time, and I play Halo 2 all the time. I play both, and I never go through the game with just 1 weapon, you try to use just the pistol when playing Halo 1 with me and my friends, it doesn't do any good. Most of the time when I'm playing Halo 1, the first thing I do is switch me pistol with another weapon cause the pistol just doesn't cut it! If I'd stick with the pistol, my opponent would grab somethin like the shotgun, run right into my face and fire (then I'd be dead and they wouldn't). Or If I use only the pistol, I'd be looking for my opponent, and then BLAM! I'm dead cause they shot me with a sniper from so far away that I wouldn't even have been able to wound then me the pistol. The same is for almost ever weapon! Each weapon in the game beats the pistol in some way, some kill in less shots, some kill from farther away, some fire more shots but kill you faster, some kill you in the wake of their explosion, some track you and explode on impact, some charge are track you, ect.

The fact is, you can say the pistol is unbalanced all you want, the true is, is that it gives the game it's balance...

  • 05.20.2006 2:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: Evasion
Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
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2. 2 shots to the head and your dead. tell me one game that has a pistol that strong. it was great but way to unbalanced. I think the pistol is more of a noob weapon.


It was three head shots...

I prefer the BR over the Pistol. Having a really powerful rifle rather than having a really powerful pistol just seems more realistic to me...

Who cares about realism, alot of the things in this game/series aren't "realistic". Besides, the thing shot high-explosive rounds, think that would give it some power, no?

It's not just the realism factor, 3 shot kills from anything is just plain stupid. We already have powerful weapons (rocket, sniper), why give us a little of both in a sidearm?

It was unbalanced.

It was not always a 3-shot kill- Over XBC it was pretty inconsistant. And overall, the auto-aim on it was very low, so one less shot to kill compared to the BR would make up for it. Also, everyone started with the thing; who cares?

  • 05.20.2006 2:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
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2. 2 shots to the head and your dead. tell me one game that has a pistol that strong. it was great but way to unbalanced. I think the pistol is more of a noob weapon.


It was three head shots...

I prefer the BR over the Pistol. Having a really powerful rifle rather than having a really powerful pistol just seems more realistic to me...

Who cares about realism, alot of the things in this game/series aren't "realistic". Besides, the thing shot high-explosive rounds, think that would give it some power, no?

It's not just the realism factor, 3 shot kills from anything is just plain stupid. We already have powerful weapons (rocket, sniper), why give us a little of both in a sidearm?

It was unbalanced.

It was not always a 3-shot kill- Over XBC it was pretty inconsistant. And overall, the auto-aim on it was very low, so one less shot to kill compared to the BR would make up for it. Also, everyone started with the thing; who cares?

* This is not Xbc
* This is not Halo 1
* Bungie cares about the majority of the community and cannot make everyone happy
* Everyone starts with a rocket in team rockets, or a sniper in team snipers. Most people hate these gametypes cause the guns are too strong
* With a pistol we didn't need any other weapons, so why include that overpowered weapon again?
* It's unrealistic
* Why have a mini sniper for everyone to spawn with? it ruins the gameplay

If Halo 3 brings back the 3sk Pistol..I think I'll go back to Halo 2 after I beat H3's campaign, along with most of Bungie's community.

[Edited on 5/20/2006]

  • 05.20.2006 3:27 PM PDT
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I told people that if you shoot the head with a PR it'll make a nearly instant kill. No one listened...

  • 05.20.2006 3:30 PM PDT

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