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Subject: Timeless One and Gravemind

I know it has been confirmed that The Timeless One is Gravemind and created the Flood but as there are multiple Graveminds I would like to know if The Timeless One is the Gravemind we see in the games.

  • 02.16.2012 12:32 PM PDT

"We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds...'
I suppose we all thought that one way or another."
- J. Robert Oppenheimer

Some of his quotes suggest he has been around a ridiculous amount of time, so I'd say there's a good chance.

  • 02.16.2012 12:34 PM PDT


Posted by: Unggoy NL
I know it has been confirmed that The Timeless One is Gravemind and created the Flood but as there are multiple Graveminds I would like to know if The Timeless One is the Gravemind we see in the games.


Although this is not confirmed anywhere, I believe it goes a bit like this:
A Gravemind is not only a hub-mind of it's faction of Flood forces (the only thinking "general" so to speak), but also part of a larger consciousness.
There's where the multiple Graveminds come in to play. I don't know if you've played Mass Effect?
If so, I think you could see them like the Geth, or any of the AI in the Halo Universe: a collection of shared memories, thoughts and ideas in a physical form with its own identity.

The Gravemind we fought in H2/H3 seems to be too "young" to be the one the Forerunners fought. Yet it is still possible he is the same, considering his knowledge on things (more even than you would expect him to have from just the ones he consumed...even though he did consume Penintent Tangent for instance). The easiest way to describe this concept is like this:

Each Gravemind is its own physical creature, with its own experiences, ideas, plans, knowledge and memories. But they're part of a network which allows them to have the knowledge of those other Graveminds (those dead and alive), so in a way there is no "the" Gravemind.
That way, "our" Gravemind might seem older than he actually is. And might seem to have been through things he didn't actually go through (as he has always been locked on Delta Halo). It's because of shared knowledge which allows him to talk as if he has been in places where he wasn't, but he has the memories of those who were there.

I might still have my post on this matter from a different discussion. Might try to find it tomorrow, that one might make a bit more sense.

Oh, and good to see a fellow Dutchman on these forums.

  • 02.16.2012 12:54 PM PDT
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He's a stage of some sort. What stage I don't really know though. I can't see the flood being in their regular-pile-o-bodies form and then changing to an insect like form, but then again, he came before them, so it's likely he was a prototype of sorts.

  • 02.16.2012 1:01 PM PDT


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Posted by: Unggoy NL
I know it has been confirmed that The Timeless One is Gravemind and created the Flood but as there are multiple Graveminds I would like to know if The Timeless One is the Gravemind we see in the games.


Although this is not confirmed anywhere, I believe it goes a bit like this:
A Gravemind is not only a hub-mind of it's faction of Flood forces (the only thinking "general" so to speak), but also part of a larger consciousness.
There's where the multiple Graveminds come in to play. I don't know if you've played Mass Effect?
If so, I think you could see them like the Geth, or any of the AI in the Halo Universe: a collection of shared memories, thoughts and ideas in a physical form with its own identity.

The Gravemind we fought in H2/H3 seems to be too "young" to be the one the Forerunners fought. Yet it is still possible he is the same, considering his knowledge on things (more even than you would expect him to have from just the ones he consumed...even though he did consume Penintent Tangent for instance). The easiest way to describe this concept is like this:

Each Gravemind is its own physical creature, with its own experiences, ideas, plans, knowledge and memories. But they're part of a network which allows them to have the knowledge of those other Graveminds (those dead and alive), so in a way there is no "the" Gravemind.
That way, "our" Gravemind might seem older than he actually is. And might seem to have been through things he didn't actually go through (as he has always been locked on Delta Halo). It's because of shared knowledge which allows him to talk as if he has been in places where he wasn't, but he has the memories of those who were there.

I might still have my post on this matter from a different discussion. Might try to find it tomorrow, that one might make a bit more sense.

Oh, and good to see a fellow Dutchman on these forums.


Haha, altijd leuk om een Nederlander hier actief te zien.
I hope gravemind from Halo 2/3 is the Timeless One because I would be happy just to have seen a Precursor in Halo :)

  • 02.16.2012 1:11 PM PDT

I thought about it today and something came up in my mind. The Timeless One is a Gravemind and Precursor, does that mean all Graveminds (Including the one from the games) are Precursors? Or was he the first one and created others? And as the Gravemind is Flood, are the Pure Flood forms (Infection, Stalker/Ranged/Tank) Precursor as well? Or are they Precursor creations just like AI to the USNC, Forerunners and Covenant?

  • 02.17.2012 5:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: Unggoy NL
I know it has been confirmed that The Timeless One is Gravemind
This has not been confirmed by any legitimate source to my knowledge. It's just a popular theory around here.

One that I don't subscribe to.

  • 02.17.2012 12:25 PM PDT
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if precursers are the flood then how did the forerunners almost wipe them out when they themselves (the forunners) were wiped out by the flood?

  • 02.17.2012 2:04 PM PDT
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NOT INTO THE LONG GRASS!

I hope the Precursors are not the Gravemind.

I hope they're something that's actually scary, and make the Gravemind look like a scared little child.

  • 02.17.2012 4:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ins3ktz
I hope the Precursors are not the Gravemind.

I hope they're something that's actually scary, and make the Gravemind look like a scared little child.




agreed

  • 02.17.2012 5:49 PM PDT


Posted by: elemenohpee

Posted by: Ins3ktz
I hope the Precursors are not the Gravemind.

I hope they're something that's actually scary, and make the Gravemind look like a scared little child.



agreed






i'd love the precursors to stay mysterious, i think it adds lots of depth to the halo universe that way.


[Edited on 02.17.2012 6:14 PM PST]

  • 02.17.2012 6:14 PM PDT

We've never fought a gravemind so I'd like to know how it is.

  • 02.18.2012 8:34 AM PDT

Most likely, The Timeless One is an ancient Gravemind that was a mixture of Flood, and it holds all the knowledge. Other Graveminds are the same, but they're less wise.

[Edited on 02.19.2012 12:01 PM PST]

  • 02.19.2012 12:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: Unggoy NL
I know it has been confirmed that The Timeless One is Gravemind
This has not been confirmed by any legitimate source to my knowledge. It's just a popular theory around here.

One that I don't subscribe to.


that is demonstrably untrue.

Other than the long list of connections between the Gravemind we know and the TO. It was confirmed in Primordium that they are one in the same.


I am going to start off with the part where the Didact calls it a Gravemind and it says "flood, precursor, there is no difference".

followed by the entire conversation where the didact was lecturing Bias about taking orders from something other than a forerunner.


The TO was the first gravemind in the terminals. Now even after killing it Forthenco comments on how "The Primordial will get its due" implying that it isn't dead yet. The Next Gravemind to actually corrupt Bias might be it's incarnation followed by our gravemind.

  • 02.21.2012 7:08 AM PDT