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Subject: Why the AR is a great weapon


Posted by: eRage Sanctity
The AR has so much bullet magnetism on it that its impossible to miss with.

That's where you're wrong. Bullet magnetism cannot be relied upon. Any movement throws it off. Aim in the center, and you'll hit everything. Let aim assist do the work for you, and you'll miss at least a quarter of your shots. This wouldn't matter that much against a bad opponent, but it's essential not to miss anything against a good opponent.

The AR is a whole lot less lenient than the DMR is. The DMR can afford to miss a bullet. Against a good DMR user one you either rely on auto aim and die, or actually aim and win.

  • 02.16.2012 4:25 PM PDT

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The AR is good........ against braindead thumbless 10year olds.

  • 02.16.2012 4:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Kira Onime
The AR is good

^ Agree

  • 02.16.2012 4:29 PM PDT

PSR = (((K+A)/D)*Win%)*120
The average player's PSR = 100


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Posted by: Wobbly_guy
neither is particularly easy to use and encourages more weapon variety


Full Retard

  • 02.16.2012 4:38 PM PDT


Posted by: Kira Onime
The AR is good........ against braindead thumbless 10year olds.

Does no one read what I wrote? The AR, in capable hands, can shoot it's 10 bursts needed for a kill faster than the DMR can shoot it's 5 shots needed to kill someone. They kill equally fast when you spam the DMR. The only difference is that the AR retains it's accuracy over longer distances.

This means that if the AR is fired like this, it will guaranteed kill your opponent, no matter how good with the DMR, as it can't even shoot fast enough to beat that speed.

Not that that's easy to do. In fact it might be one of the most difficult things to do consistently in Reach.

[Edited on 02.16.2012 4:39 PM PST]

  • 02.16.2012 4:38 PM PDT

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1. Constantly firing 2 shot bursts is harder than 5 shotting.

2. It would be very easy to miss a moving target, more-so than it would be with a DMR/NR.

3. If you miss with that thing, you don't have many extra bullets to mend that error. You're pretty much -blam!-.

4. Even if you hit every single bullet, it would take longer to kill with than a DMR/NR. It takes roughly 2 seconds to kill with the AR, while it takes about 1.5 seconds to kill with the DMR/NR. Not much of a difference, but considering the difficulty in 2 shot burst firing and aiming it is enough of a difference to get you killed.

  • 02.16.2012 4:42 PM PDT


Posted by: Wobbly_guy

Posted by: Kira Onime
The AR is good........ against braindead thumbless 10year olds.

Does no one read what I wrote? The AR, in capable hands, can shoot it's 10 bursts needed for a kill faster than the DMR can shoot it's 5 shots needed to kill someone. They kill equally fast when you spam the DMR. The only difference is that the AR retains it's accuracy over longer distances.

This means that if the AR is fired like this, it will guaranteed kill your opponent, no matter how good with the DMR, as it can't even shoot fast enough to beat that speed.

Not that that's easy to do. In fact it might be one of the most difficult things to do consistently in Reach.

Nobody with capable hands uses the AR.

  • 02.16.2012 4:49 PM PDT


Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
1. Constantly firing 2 shot bursts is harder than 5 shotting.

2. It would be very easy to miss a moving target, more-so than it would be with a DMR/NR.

3. If you miss with that thing, you don't have many extra bullets to mend that error. You're pretty much -blam!-.

4. Even if you hit every single bullet, it would take longer to kill with than a DMR/NR. It takes roughly 2 seconds to kill with the AR, while it takes about 1.5 seconds to kill with the DMR/NR. Not much of a difference, but considering the difficulty in 2 shot burst firing and aiming it is enough of a difference to get you killed.

The first 3 points are correct. I'm not saying it's easy, I'm just saying it has the potential.

4 is incorrect though. An AR fired like that kills faster than a needle rifle fired as fast as it can. It's a little different with the DMR. When you pace the DMR, the AR will always win. If you spam, the kill times are similar. The DMR will be much less accurate at that point, so it's best to keep your distance.

This is assuming the ideal situation where both weapons don't miss and are firing as fast as the game allows them.

  • 02.16.2012 4:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wobbly_guy

Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
1. Constantly firing 2 shot bursts is harder than 5 shotting.

2. It would be very easy to miss a moving target, more-so than it would be with a DMR/NR.

3. If you miss with that thing, you don't have many extra bullets to mend that error. You're pretty much -blam!-.

4. Even if you hit every single bullet, it would take longer to kill with than a DMR/NR. It takes roughly 2 seconds to kill with the AR, while it takes about 1.5 seconds to kill with the DMR/NR. Not much of a difference, but considering the difficulty in 2 shot burst firing and aiming it is enough of a difference to get you killed.

The first 3 points are correct. I'm not saying it's easy, I'm just saying it has the potential.

4 is incorrect though. An AR fired like that kills faster than a needle rifle fired as fast as it can. It's a little different with the DMR. When you pace the DMR, the AR will always win. If you spam, the kill times are similar. The DMR will be much less accurate at that point, so it's best to keep your distance.

This is assuming the ideal situation where both weapons don't miss and are firing as fast as the game allows them.
Actually, 4 is entirely correct. The kill times are very close, but the DMR/NR both have a quicker kill time. I'm afraid your facts are mixed up.

  • 02.16.2012 5:02 PM PDT


Posted by: ClearOrangeZero

Posted by: Wobbly_guy

Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
1. Constantly firing 2 shot bursts is harder than 5 shotting.

2. It would be very easy to miss a moving target, more-so than it would be with a DMR/NR.

3. If you miss with that thing, you don't have many extra bullets to mend that error. You're pretty much -blam!-.

4. Even if you hit every single bullet, it would take longer to kill with than a DMR/NR. It takes roughly 2 seconds to kill with the AR, while it takes about 1.5 seconds to kill with the DMR/NR. Not much of a difference, but considering the difficulty in 2 shot burst firing and aiming it is enough of a difference to get you killed.

The first 3 points are correct. I'm not saying it's easy, I'm just saying it has the potential.

4 is incorrect though. An AR fired like that kills faster than a needle rifle fired as fast as it can. It's a little different with the DMR. When you pace the DMR, the AR will always win. If you spam, the kill times are similar. The DMR will be much less accurate at that point, so it's best to keep your distance.

This is assuming the ideal situation where both weapons don't miss and are firing as fast as the game allows them.
Actually, 4 is entirely correct. The kill times are very close, but the DMR/NR both have a quicker kill time. I'm afraid your facts are mixed up.

It's been a while since I tested it, but there's no reason the results would change.

Unless you're talking about the TU, then you're probably right.

[Edited on 02.16.2012 5:06 PM PST]

  • 02.16.2012 5:06 PM PDT
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Completely agree with OP. Find it hilarious on how people react to this though xD
So many bigots! EVERYWHERE!

  • 02.16.2012 5:12 PM PDT

You keep saying the AR is better but you have posted zero evidence of someone actually out AR'ing a DMR user.

  • 02.16.2012 5:36 PM PDT

OP I think you should get back to Team Slayer and leave the good players who know the best tactics which is why they're the good players to do what they do instead of trying to advise them on something that you are unqualified to advise them on.

  • 02.16.2012 5:41 PM PDT

I intend to live forever, or die trying,

so far, so good.

Im not a hugh AR fan, but agree, you need to shoot in small burst, unless you are within meters of your target.

Nice Post.

  • 02.16.2012 6:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
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Posted by: Wobbly_guy

Posted by: Kira Onime
The AR is good........ against braindead thumbless 10year olds.

Does no one read what I wrote? The AR, in capable hands,


Anybody with half a brain cell will drop the AR ASAP and grab something better.

  • 02.16.2012 7:39 PM PDT

THE AR IS FOR BADDIES TAKES NO SKILL. JUST AR THEM DOWN TO red bar then throw a grenade. With the broken physics of halo reach the grenades just drop dead or bounce 50 times, u most likely die every time to some noob that rushes you with host with ars you and nades you. 9/10 you kill the noob with the ar because dmr is so much better but its a joke compared to the br.

P.S HALO REACH is all about Host NOT SKILL!!!

[Edited on 02.16.2012 9:53 PM PST]

  • 02.16.2012 9:52 PM PDT

You can't spell GARBAGE without AR.


Posted by: Wobbly_guy

Posted by: Destiny 7
That's a very nice opinion.

Nope, these are tested facts.


Uh, no. The DMR and Pistol can pull off a 5 shot kill right before the AR can get the 19 shot kill even at point blank range at full auto; assuming no melee and grenades were involved. Test it out in Forge.

By burst firing, it is making it more accurate, however, there is a slight delay between bursts, significantly increasing the potential kill time. If I wanten to fight enemies at med and long range (even close range), I'd press Y and use a pistol; shorter kill times and much more accurate.

The AR is generally nothing more than a mediocre close range spray and pray weapon that can be used to ping shilds at med and long range. Also, the AR has a huge amount of autoaim and bullet magnetism; the edge of your cursor only has to be touching an enemy in order to land shots.

  • 02.16.2012 10:00 PM PDT

I'm the cult of personality,
I call it like i see it, if i feel the need to be blunt and to the point, then i will, if i feel the need to be very detailed, i will, im here to stay and im here to do things my way, if you respect that or not is your choice, not mine,
and don't worry, while i don't agree with everyone's opinion, i do respect everyone's opinion.


Posted by: SouthPoIe

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Posted by: SouthPoIe

Posted by: Wobbly_guy
neither is particularly easy to use and encourages more weapon variety


Full Retard
That's like, the only adjective you know, isn't it? Almost every thread I see you respond to something. seriously, it's old. And people probobly stop listening to what you have to say afterwards.


What other word would you prefer? Stupid? Ignorant? Misinformed? Uneducated? Oblivious?
ya know what i find funny? you call him a retard, stupid, ignorant, etc, etc, yet your the one insulting him, and he hasnt insulted you at all, and even provided fair points.


do you not have a better arguement then insults? insults will get ya no where,

do yourself a favor, actualy provide an arguement next time.

  • 02.16.2012 10:28 PM PDT

Looking to hook up with some competent players! Please PM me if you want a decent team mate, looking to learn from good players and impart what I know to the team too. Im sick of going 'randy' and getting betrayed for the sniper etc.. and having to put up with BK team mates

Despite your seemingly logical arguement OP I will never opt to use the 'Bullet hose'..

In the sad event people vote AR start in most cases I immediately swap it out for a DMR, needle rifle, power weapon or I just use the pistol. Though it may be effective at short range, I prefer to use the pistol because I find that using a rifle that requires so little skill to use is bad for my game.

[Edited on 02.16.2012 10:38 PM PST]

  • 02.16.2012 10:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wobbly_guy

Posted by: ClearOrangeZero

Posted by: Wobbly_guy

Posted by: ClearOrangeZero

4. Even if you hit every single bullet, it would take longer to kill with than a DMR/NR. It takes roughly 2 seconds to kill with the AR, while it takes about 1.5 seconds to kill with the DMR/NR. Not much of a difference, but considering the difficulty in 2 shot burst firing and aiming it is enough of a difference to get you killed.

The first 3 points are correct. I'm not saying it's easy, I'm just saying it has the potential.

4 is incorrect though. An AR fired like that kills faster than a needle rifle fired as fast as it can. It's a little different with the DMR. When you pace the DMR, the AR will always win. If you spam, the kill times are similar. The DMR will be much less accurate at that point, so it's best to keep your distance.

This is assuming the ideal situation where both weapons don't miss and are firing as fast as the game allows them.
Actually, 4 is entirely correct. The kill times are very close, but the DMR/NR both have a quicker kill time. I'm afraid your facts are mixed up.

It's been a while since I tested it, but there's no reason the results would change.


No, hes right. You don't know weapon kill times do you?

The DMR and NR both have a faster kill time than a pulsed AR.

  • 02.16.2012 11:19 PM PDT
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Halo: Reach is the beginning of a new age for gaming.
It proves that developers can get away with punishing their players instead of fixing their game....and yet the fanboys will still sing praises to them.

-blam!- all of you fanboys!

If you were to listen to people like that retard Soutpole...
You'd have to ask yourself this ?

Why even have the AR in the game at all then?
Because if you don't start matches with an AR...who in their right mind is actually going to go out of their way to pick one up, except as a VERY LAST RESORT.

I'd rather have the incentive to make people find better weapons instead of starting everyone with the best weapon.

And your argument based on the idea that ...
" it makes people spawning in at a disadvantage"
Only holds so much weight.

Because if there is only 1 DMR on the map. How much damage is that one guy with a DMR going to do against an entire team with AR's.

Depends on the team.

That argument is also relative to saying that...maybe we should just start everyone with DMR and SNIPERS on every game.....just cut to the chase.

Gameplay wise. It's more logical to start people off weak, too give them incentives to MOVE AROUND THE MAP to find better weapons.

Other wise you create gametypes where people just don't move. Because there is no incentive for it other than to chase down a kill.

One of Halo's core gameplay elements happens to involve the idea of creating a foot-race for weapons....
Duh!

I'd go so far as to say that EVERY GAMETYPE should be like this.
Start with nothing but an AR.
No grenades, no seconadary weapons.
You want a power weapon.. go get it!

[Edited on 02.17.2012 4:53 PM PST]

  • 02.17.2012 4:49 PM PDT

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  • 02.17.2012 4:52 PM PDT
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Nope. SouthPole isn't a person. He's the avatar of the force of tryhards everywhere. He stalks the web looking for retards to set straight. He can not be stopped by mere bans or thread locks for he shall rise anew.


Posted by: MR E0S
If you were to listen to people like that retard Soutpole...
You'd have to ask yourself this ?

Why even have the AR in the game at all then?
Because if you don't start matches with an AR...who in their right mind is actually going to go out of their way to pick one up, except as a VERY LAST RESORT.

I'd rather have the incentive to make people find better weapons instead of starting everyone with the best weapon.

And your argument based on the idea that ...
" it makes people spawning in at a disadvantage"
Only holds so much weight.

Because if there is only 1 DMR on the map. How much damage is that one guy with a DMR going to do against an entire team with AR's.

Depends on the team.

Gameplay wise. It's more logical to start people off weak, too give them incentives to MOVE AROUND THE MAP to find better weapons.

Other wise you create gametypes where people just don't move. Because there is no incentive for it other than to chase down a kill.

One of Halo's core gameplay elements happens to involve the idea of creating a foot-race for weapons....
Duh!


Are you serious? Like, really? You actually believe this?

  • 02.17.2012 4:52 PM PDT

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