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Subject: Sangheli and The Forerunners (Wall O' Text... kinda)

As an engineering student, I don't have a lot of time to read. I just finished Glasslands and I'm starting Primodium tomorrow, but at the end of Glasslands, something occurred to me.

NO it's not that Naomi 010 is a HUGE plot hole.
NO it's not that Venezia never got glassed.. though that is pretty weird

What occurred to me was that Naomi seemed to know what the explosion Phillips was caught in on Sanghelios, was. Like it said she didn't blink and was caught mid sentence when the -blam!- hit the fan.

Now, I'm not gonna say I actually believe this is true, however, that said, it seems reasonable.

If it wasn't ONI, behind the bombing, - cause why would they sabotage their own sabotage?-

and it wasn't forces loyal to the Arbiter - mostly cause Thel, himself doesn't want violence, why would people loyal to him go against his beliefs?-

It could have been insurrectionists, but this is quite unlikely. They steered clear, all over the galaxy, throughout the entire course of the war, of even fighting covenant.
They're also currently hoarding covenant refugees on Venezia, as well as trading with Kig-yar and the like. They really wouldn't want to jeopardize they're nice like war-so-old-no-one-remembers community.

In my mind, there's only one thing that could have been easily identified by a loop-holed-somehow spartan II AND activated because no one knew what it did.
If you didn't already guess, I'm speaking of something Forerunner.
More specifically, I'm talking about John-117, yes the master chief himself, being moved from whatever the Big blue ball deal or LEGENDARY PLANET as it is known some places by some people, to Sanghelios.

NO this is not what really occurred to me. I kind of just figure somehow, that makes some sense.

What did occur to me however, was a single question. SUSPENSEFUL THREAD HERE, I know.
The question is... drum roll please... why are there Forerunner structures on Sanghelios, at all?

I mean, yes the Forerunners colonized the galaxy, and they probably left some kind of trace of themselves everywhere. But you'd think they might have cleaned up a little before they "vanished". I also would hope that, if logic stands, they would have put things back (stars, solar systems, planets) back the way they found them, due to their Mantle.
In my mind, this means not leaving giant buildings that do seemingly nothing all over a single planet.

Well if you say it like that, it does seem a tad odd.

Now granted, the San 'Shyuum also encountered a lot of Forerunner tech on their evolution attempt #2, the first being before the halo array fired. But only, artifacts, to my knowledge. And if they too, have huge structures everywhere, well that makes sense. I mean, they were the Forerunners main allies 100,000 years ago.

What I'm saying is, I think, and I am gonna call this, the Sangheili are the Forerunners.

Let it sink in..

Whenever we see a Forerunner, the've always had a they're suits on. This makes sense because well... anything Cryptum says;they regulate body functions, they protect you, they come with a free A.I., etc...

But would it not be a good art design to have tinted helmets we couldn't see through to hide such a distinct thing like 4 jaws?

Now I'm not saying they looked EXACTLY like them, but Cryptum did mention mandibles.

Halo:Legends said that they brought back every species with key ships. The question arose immediately after it's release,"why didn't they bring themselves back?".

Well what if they did? They wouldn't want to bring themselves back as the ALL POWERFUL FORERUNNERS. I mean, even at an earlier stage in their evolution, don't you think that's a little too "We learned nothing from loop-holing around our own set of beliefs for Melania"?

So they screw with their DNA a little and create a similar species to hold their place. Maybe a little less adaptable, maybe a little less intuitive so that they'd have to rely on something as stable as lets say... a left behind world? Wouldn't it be easier then making a new random planet and disobeying the Mantle even more then just, leaving their planet the way it was, minus a few genes to activate the technology?

They changed their technology so that, when we rose to the occasion, we would reclaim our place in the galaxy. They made it so NO OTHER SPECIES, including Sangheili, could not activate the halo arrays, the shield worlds, or anything else. Maybe for some crazy reason like they didn't want a never ending cycling of killing every sentient thing in the galaxy over and over. If indeed the flood did return,(which we all know did happen) we would be able to stop it.

If all of this sounds a little far fetched, I want you to think about one thing. Where in Cryptum, or Primordium,(going to read it I promise) are the Sangheili? The San 'Shyuum are there, and the humans. "Well what about the rest of the covenant species?" I don't really know, but the halo universe canon has a tendency to leave out non sentient species.

If you read this far, I suggest you comment cause well, what else are we here for? ALSO, if this has already been said, can someone give me a thread link? I'll edit this post as facts that need links come to light, or maybe just for the sake of people who have ZERO clue as to what I'm talking about. Right now, I gotta get back to calculus 2 homework. Thank you for reading, and have a wonderful day.

  • 02.16.2012 6:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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Wait... what?

  • 02.16.2012 6:14 PM PDT

Well, it's just a theory.

  • 02.16.2012 6:46 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Glasslands is set in 2553. Halo 4 is no later than 2556. Chief didn't do it.

  • 02.16.2012 6:58 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Nope.

  • 02.16.2012 7:07 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Anyone else miss the days theories were actually GOOD?

  • 02.16.2012 7:15 PM PDT

Okay maybe it wasn't John, maybe it was the fact a human stepped into the building for the first time EVER

not really the point in the theory though...

  • 02.16.2012 8:07 PM PDT

In fact, I've always disliked people trying to connect halo 4 and ANYTHING else canon related, if only for the reason we have no information on it from 343i yet, I just thought it seemed a little weird all those buildings on 1 planet and no where else

  • 02.16.2012 8:08 PM PDT
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MC Confusing back in this b--ch with a parking sandwich and a chicken ticket....

Unbelievabe.

  • 02.16.2012 8:12 PM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553


Posted by: ExoditeDRider
Well, it's just a theory.


No. The forerunner figure already snubs this theory.

  • 02.16.2012 11:07 PM PDT
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Thanks for the interesting read man, well written. Though must be said, it is definitely farfetched a notion that the good ol' dinos turn out to be the forerunners. It'l be like a M.Night Shyamalamabam plot twist.I guess time will tell.

  • 02.17.2012 3:57 AM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

What few images we have seen of the Forerunners blows this theory apart. They look nothing like the Sangheili.
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Anyone else miss the days theories were actually GOOD?

Whatever happened to those days?

  • 02.17.2012 4:27 AM PDT

No, just no.

  • 02.17.2012 4:56 AM PDT

I do understand that it is pretty screwy!
All I'm saying is that if the Forerunners can bring back a galaxy of species, the Lifeworkers must have mastered the genome for every species in that galaxy as well as able to manipulate them to any end they see fit.
Since the Mantle doesn't allow them to do anything to any other species and they "deserve to be forgotten"-Penitent Tangent- maybe they even forgot themselves. Well that sounds just stupid when I say it out loud but do you see what I mean?

  • 02.17.2012 10:16 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: ExoditeDRider
I just thought it seemed a little weird all those buildings on 1 planet and no where else

There are dozens of places with Forerunner ruins on them. Arcadia, Harvest, Te, Janjum Qom, Reach etc.

  • 02.17.2012 10:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Pretty sure they said that the Forerunners look more human than they do reptillian.

  • 02.17.2012 10:52 AM PDT

hi

so how come they can't fire halo? edit:sorry, didn't read all of it. but how come spark dosen't recocognice them?

[Edited on 02.17.2012 11:44 AM PST]

  • 02.17.2012 11:31 AM PDT

Posted by: adaben
so how come they can't fire halo? edit:sorry, didn't read all of it. but how come spark dosen't recocognice them?


Well they wouldn't want to chance of a repeat of annihilating all sentient life in the galaxy again, and have it go without purpose or by accident. Judging that the Covenant found the rings before we did, this certainly could have been the case. This would totally defeat the point of them ever firing the halo array.

Spark wouldn't recognize them because of how altered their DNA would be. I guess I'm NOT saying that they ARE exactly 100% the forerunners, but more of a species to hold their metaphysical place in the universe. The Reclaimers would need strong allies, not enemies.

TO BE CLEAR, I'm not saying that I'm not wrong. I know how ridiculous this sounds, believe me, please.

And in response to this:
Posted by: anton1792
There are dozens of places with Forerunner ruins on them. Arcadia, Harvest, Te, Janjum Qom, Reach etc.


BUT NO WHERE NEAR the extent of Sanghelios. Yes, there are Forerunner things places everywhere, but not everywhere all over a planet. Not buildings similar to those on any installation. They're subtle, hidden, not blatantly everywhere.

[Edited on 02.17.2012 5:58 PM PST]

  • 02.17.2012 5:57 PM PDT