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Subject: The battle for Earth must have been hell
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Imagine the Fall of Reach, but without the aid of the SPARTANS. It must have been a piece of cake compared to REACH for the Covenant, but lets also take into consideration that the Covenant have also lost some its core members (Elites, Grunts (Who's the cannon fodder now?), and Hunters). They have the Brutes though..and most likely a typical Covenant squad is made up of a Brute leader and a bunch of Jackals (replacements to the Grunts). So going up against Covies in Halo 3 should be more challenging they your typical Grunt slaughterfest :). Anyway back on topic, the covenant probably just resorted to bombard tactics like they have done with many planets that have fallen before them. Earth is a piece of -blam!- compared to what Halo is to the Covenant, so they can do whatever the hell they want to, though they also could have not done bombarding tactics since the Prophet of Truth might have known that Earth after all is what carries the key to the Great Journey (the Ark), and we all know how sacred anything that has to do with the great journey is to the Covenant ;), In that case, then they would have resorted to more conventional ground tactics ala what they did in Halo - which we all know resulted in a major loss for the covenant, though that is partly because of the Master Chief who is on earth.

Anywayz its interesting to ponder about this, something to talk about till' the release of 3.

  • 05.19.2006 9:55 PM PDT
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i dont think it would of been easy for the covenant to capture earth, humans are on their home planet so they're really determined, we have more forces on earth than reach and like 50 times as many MACs orbiting so we would of done some real damage to the covenant fleet before it touched down

  • 05.19.2006 9:58 PM PDT

"I tried to kill my self with a bungee cord. I kept almost dying." - Steven Wright

Yeah....in 500 hundred years..the population *military only in this case* would be around 5 billion and then there are over 300 Super MAC cannons orbiting 300 cities on the planet. I'd say the Covenant had to lose a ship or a thousand.

  • 05.19.2006 10:04 PM PDT
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Yea,I agree.The covenant should be just a little stronger in Halo 3.But I need to say
that if this game doesn't have an ending,there are going to be a lot of pretty mad
people.Don't you think.please reply.
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  • 05.19.2006 10:11 PM PDT
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ya

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It must have taken years rather then months then, so halo 3 probably takes place years after the events of halo 2..

  • 05.19.2006 10:14 PM PDT
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elites are the only of the covernant that was 'pushed away',In halo 3 the grunts and hunters would probly be fighting with the brutes, jackels, etc like at the start of gravemind, when elites are around the grunts, hunters fight with them.

  • 05.19.2006 10:14 PM PDT

I have a rendezvous with death. At some disputed barricade.

I don't agree, Earth would have been the harder battle. The Covenant fleet has been torn straight down the middle by the rebellion so their fleet couldn't be at its full strength. And lets not forget our beloved MAC and SOMAC platforms also, there would have to be at-least 1000+ cruisers still functional and under human control. I'd say around 10000 companies of marines and 4 spartan II's unaccounted for + the MC who, when we left him, was on board the Forerunner ship that was used to power High Charity.

It must have been a piece of cake compared to REACH for the Covenant

Or not.....

Just to clear a few things up; there are 300 MAC/SOMAC platforms in orbit around Earth of these 2 were destroyed by Regrets fleet, The Athens and The Malta. And our Military is not in the billions... We've been fighting the Covenant for a while now....


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  • 05.19.2006 10:16 PM PDT
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Well you gotta take into account that if the chief and a ragtag group of marines defeated a far superior covenant elite force on halo, imagine what millions of soldiers entrenched on earth's surface, hundreds of space MAC guns and hundreds of naval ships would + 3 Spartans left on earth would do to a Covenant invasion fleet, its almost impossible for the covies to win, they can't glass the planet because that would risk damaging the ark.

There must have been something, something that made the covenant achieve victory rapdily and so decisively.

  • 05.19.2006 10:28 PM PDT
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exactly, and most battles would become like stalingrad battles, with the humans not giving up an inch of ground and the covenant pouring more troops intoi the meat grinder, billions will die before the end

and im sick of people saying our defences suck because regret got through, he got through because he had to or the story would be the chief sitting on earth waiting for the main covenant force to arrive, playing cards with some ODSTs, not the best story

  • 05.19.2006 10:36 PM PDT
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Ok...guys posting near top, saying how easy it would of been for the covenant.

Did you not watch halo2 at all? Earth as like you said 5billion marines. the covenat armarda 1/50th the size of the one that attacked breach comes along....does major damaged in taking out 2 of the strongest cannons offline.

now think straigt for a second. 50times that is 100 of them. but obviously the whole army didn't attack reach. so obviously, there are more ships.

Now i do understand that the absense of elites, hunters and grunts is a great loss for them, well if they can introduce the brutes and drones to be new. im sure there will be even more new eneimies. other alien species hunting the covenant. "space bounty-hunters" so to speak.

I'm sure that if there is the covenant out there...that there will be more armies, and a war as big as human versus the covenant is sure to attract some attention. so just think...more alien than ever before. Take over of earth would be easy. its a budball with a few billion ants and a sacred arc. the covenant could take us easily.

And like i said before...that small fleet totally anilated us at start of H2. so the full covie army would absoloutly slaughter us.

Think straight. Think Cortonna. Thnik end of the world.

  • 05.19.2006 10:47 PM PDT
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A few things to clear up: But First, beating the hell out of other user's comments.

"i dont think it would of been easy for the covenant to capture earth, humans are on their home planet so they're really determined, we have more forces on earth than reach and like 50 times as many MACs orbiting so we would of done some real damage to the covenant fleet before it touched down "
Real damage, yeah, but this isn't counting that the Covenant have, in total, billions and billions of troops, like consider every human alive before the covenant war, now multiply that times 3, Now factor in the fact that Covenant have insanely advanced tech, plasma sheilds, plasma guns, all this crap... A normal Covenant squad (one elite, five grunts) could take down about 3-8 marines, and all of this together and we can sum up the human's situation in 2 words:

Supremely -blam!-.

Have you read the books? No, you probably havn't, so I'll describe it to you. The Covenant win in nearly every space battle that ever takes place, and destroying planets is anything but harder. They just take out the 30 or so MAC guns, go in and blow up the planet from the sky like wussies who won't come down and torch the planet by themselves.

Basically what I'm saying is, this is a completely one-sided war, and I'm not taking sides. This is just a speculation. You can probably say things like "well the humans r kool n the koviez suk dik!1111!" but that won't do anything about Halo, or any other Bungie work.

Okay, anyway, moving onto the next quote... Oh yeah, here it is:
"It must have taken years rather then months then, so halo 3 probably takes place years after the events of halo 2.."
It took about, one month or some insane amount of time like that to destroy Reach, THE LARGEST MILITARY COMPOUND IN THE HUMAN MILITARY. Halo 3 does not take place "years" after Halo 2, besides, Bungie has stated (Probably in the Halo 3 FAQ, not sure) that it takes place right after Halo 2.

And another by Blind Outlaw:
"exactly, and most battles would become like stalingrad battles, with the humans not giving up an inch of ground and the covenant pouring more troops intoi the meat grinder, billions will die before the end

and im sick of people saying our defences suck because regret got through, he got through because he had to or the story would be the chief sitting on earth waiting for the main covenant force to arrive, playing cards with some ODSTs, not the best story"
Not giving up an inch of ground? This is counting that the Covies can probably toast MAC and SOMAC guns at a rate of one per hour, at the worst? The humans wouldn't be like Stalingrad. Stalingrad crap was fueled by morale, sheer opression by Hitler, they where fighting for everything they stand for. Morale, however, something the Humans don't have any of. In Halo they're fighting for what? To not die. And what's sad is that they're losing. The humans don't have any morale- Infact the U.N.S.C. faked it so that it looked like all the Spartans are alive, though only MC is living, to prevent what's happening now. It didn't work if you can't tell.

Okay, that's enough bashing of people. Onto the subject.
Yeah, the battle for Earth was probably hell, for both sides. The Covenant would have been dying to get their hands on The Ark, sloppily pouring millions of troops in an unstratigic format into MAC guns to disable them, blinded by false promises of salvation by prophets, while humans where just plain getting their asses whooped.

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  • 05.19.2006 11:02 PM PDT
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well you could qupte on mine...and agree with it.

  • 05.19.2006 11:07 PM PDT
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"well you could qupte on mine...and agree with it."

Oh yeah, forgot about you. I usually don't take the time to comment on all the user's stuff, mostly just stupid posts that I disagree with. Yours however, wasn't as dumb as some other stuff I've seen. Anyway, I'm being too much of a nerd who stays up at 2:00 AM posting on Bungie, so I now must flee.

  • 05.19.2006 11:15 PM PDT
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only 02:00am? well im in England here, and ive been up all night posting here. and its now 07:21am.

  • 05.19.2006 11:21 PM PDT
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I just had a thought, what if the ARK is supposed to get out of range of the rings? That machine that is in the trailer, what if it is a some sort of engine that blasts earth away from the hell that will ensue with the ring's firing? The ark in the Bible was to get the living creatures away for the danger of the flood. What if the ark pushed the earth into another galaxy and saved everything on earth, and in fac tunlocked other secrets for maybe a halo 4 and 5?
just a thought

  • 05.19.2006 11:29 PM PDT
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knocking us out of orbit of our sun for just 8mins and one second would freeze us all too death.

and kill the gravity too.

  • 05.19.2006 11:32 PM PDT

I have a rendezvous with death. At some disputed barricade.

He has got a point you know...

Just one thing: Reach was attacked by 750 CCS class Covenant Cruisers. We defended with 200+ Halycon class Cruisers, and reach was only protected by somewhere around 100 MAC/SOMAC platforms. Technically Earth has a far better chance (300 MAC/SOMAC) and over 1000 cruisers not to mention many more marines.


On the other hand Truth brought with him the ENTIRE Covenant fleet thousands if not hundreds of thousands.

If you don't believe that our defenses could be pushed aside like stones go watch the Halo 2 Cinematic at the end of the mission "Cairo Station." Watch hundreds of ships taken out by a single Covenant Cruiser.

Also Truth's Flagship will most likely be the bearer of the Cote Du 'Azure rock. This artifact allowed the user to bend time and space. Truth could theoretically bend space around his Flagship so that the MAC and SOMAC shots seemed to fly by harmlessly, as though they missed...

And to the guy who said:

300 MAC cannons orbiting 300 cities

The MAC/SOMAC platforms DO NOT orbit specific cities they instead orbit in battle clusters around their land based generators.

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  • 05.19.2006 11:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: SNIP3RS R UZ
He has got a point you know...

Just one thing: Reach was attacked by 750 CCS class Covenant Cruisers. We defended with 200+ Halycon class Cruisers, and reach was only protected by somewhere around 100 MAC/SOMAC platforms. Technically Earth has a far better chance (300 MAC/SOMAC) and over 1000 cruisers not to mention many more marines.


Reach was attacked by only 314 ships. And there are not 1000 cruisers at Earth. There are less than 20.

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  • 05.19.2006 11:50 PM PDT

I have a rendezvous with death. At some disputed barricade.


Reach was attacked by only 314 ships.

No it was more than 314. The numbers that made up the Fleet of Particular Justice were well above that and the WHOLE fleet attacked Reach as to exact extreme retribution. We know this because of the Arbiter's words at the opening cinematic of Halo 2.

I followed with all the ships at my command

He was the Commander of The Fleet of Particular Justice so all the ships under his command has to be The Fleet of Particular Justice in its entirety.

Also, near the beginning of Halo 2, when Sgt. Aviary Johnson and Miranda Keys are receiving their medals. Cortana notices the multiple craft exiting slip space she says

Slipspace ruptures, directly off our battle cluster.

Followed shortly after by:

Fifteen Covenant capital ships, holding position just outside the killzone.

To this Lord Hood replies (LORD Hood).

Something's not right. The fleet that destroyed Reach was fifty times this size.

15 x 50 = 750

If you got 314 from the books remember their not official cannon for the Halo story line... The games are though.... :P

  • 05.20.2006 12:08 AM PDT
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I can imagine France falling, but the USA? Maybe Clinton was resurrected and managed to screw things up.
Anyway, the covanant have 6 species and god knows how many planets. Humans had yet to really begin their expansion, they had mostly colonies on other planets and a few major population centers. Do the math.
On the other side of the issue, entrenched human forces would cost the covanant a lot of forces. There's bound to be anti-aircraft guns to bring down dropships, and the survivers meet thousands of pissed off marines. Don't forget the covanant lost the Elites, Grunts, and Hunters. Brutes are strong, but in H2 I preferred fighting them as they lacked energy shields, buggers are annoying but weak if you have two smg's, and jackels only really pose a threat if they are the sniper variety. Colonel Ackerson may have got the Sparten 3 program online as well.

  • 05.20.2006 12:20 AM PDT

I have a rendezvous with death. At some disputed barricade.

Humans had yet to really begin their expansion, they had mostly colonies on other planets and a few major population centers.

Yes and no. Humans had colonized space quite a while before they encountered the Covenant. While there expansion up until that time was vast they lost many outer colonies within months of the discovery of the Covenant. We, as a race, practically dismantled our army in the events preceding the war of the Covenant. Its really not a wonder we lost as much territory in such a short time...

  • 05.20.2006 12:29 AM PDT
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<<If you got 314 from the books remember their not official cannon for the Halo story line... The games are though.... :P>>

Well, actually it has been stated officially and repeated several hundred times that the books in fact ARE official canon for the Halo storyline.

  • 05.20.2006 12:33 AM PDT
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  • 05.20.2006 12:36 AM PDT
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Probably millions dead on both sides but more on the covies because of their reckless tactics

  • 05.20.2006 11:47 AM PDT

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