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64 kilotons is nothing compared to a ship that can tank 2 petatons every second.

For reference, a kiloton = 1,000 tons of TNT
64kt= 64,000 tons of TNT
2 petatons= 2,000,000,000,000,000 tons of TNT.
Even if they did have megatons of power at their disposal, it'd take 1 trillion megatons to lower the shields on an ISD.



I've also found that "Like most Covenant weapons, the pulse laser turrets are rated in the kilowatt range." Now a pulse laser is a point-defense gun, however it clearly states that most of the weapons are in the kilowatt range, which isn't even in the kiloton range, which I'm assuming it meant.

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This deserves a Vlad Tepes award. This is not even close to being fair. The Empire can wipe the floor with the Covenant.


If the rebels could defeat them. Couldn't anything? I mean I guess the covenant doesn't have the force though.

Nope. The Rebels did not defeat them, just hurt them. The Empire continued. Besides, the Rebels were using Star Wars strength weapons, not Covenant strength weapons.

  • 03.08.2012 8:32 PM PDT

It's common knowledge that SW weapon yields are in the TT. For example, one quad turoblaser on a 22-year old troop transport can put out 800Gt per shot. It's laughable that you'd consider any capital ship weapons systems to be in the low gt range for SW. Also where are you getting your information from? Maybe you should learn something about SW too there pal.

And I literally just pulled a quote that says Covenant weapons range in the kilowatt.

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Posted by: MikeM1K30
64 kilotons is nothing compared to a ship that can tank 2 petatons every second.

For reference, a kiloton = 1,000 tons of TNT
64kt= 64,000 tons of TNT
2 petatons= 2,000,000,000,000,000 tons of TNT.
Even if they did have megatons of power at their disposal, it'd take 1 trillion megatons to lower the shields on an ISD.



I've also found that "Like most Covenant weapons, the pulse laser turrets are rated in the kilowatt range." Now a pulse laser is a point-defense gun, however it clearly states that most of the weapons are in the kilowatt range, which isn't even in the kiloton range, which I'm assuming it meant.


Where are you getting petatons from? Most I heard from Star Wars was low teratons.

Petaton-range is WH40k stuff.

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Posted by: Xd00999
This deserves a Vlad Tepes award. This is not even close to being fair. The Empire can wipe the floor with the Covenant.


If the rebels could defeat them. Couldn't anything? I mean I guess the covenant doesn't have the force though.

Nope. The Rebels did not defeat them, just hurt them. The Empire continued. Besides, the Rebels were using Star Wars strength weapons, not Covenant strength weapons.


Yeah I guess your right. But I think the covenant would put up a good fight in my opinion

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Posted by: MikeM1K30
64 kilotons is nothing compared to a ship that can tank 2 petatons every second.

For reference, a kiloton = 1,000 tons of TNT
64kt= 64,000 tons of TNT
2 petatons= 2,000,000,000,000,000 tons of TNT.
Even if they did have megatons of power at their disposal, it'd take 1 trillion megatons to lower the shields on an ISD.



I've also found that "Like most Covenant weapons, the pulse laser turrets are rated in the kilowatt range." Now a pulse laser is a point-defense gun, however it clearly states that most of the weapons are in the kilowatt range, which isn't even in the kiloton range, which I'm assuming it meant.


Hahhahahahahah

2 petatons? That's planet destroying firepower. (Besides, that is warhammer 40k stuff.) Nice Try. Back your claim with sources, bub.

Also, I hope that you realize that kilowatt only APPLIES to all pulse lasers...

Learn to read properly, please.

[Edited on 03.08.2012 8:40 PM PST]

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Posted by: Xd00999
This deserves a Vlad Tepes award. This is not even close to being fair. The Empire can wipe the floor with the Covenant.


If the rebels could defeat them. Couldn't anything? I mean I guess the covenant doesn't have the force though.

Nope. The Rebels did not defeat them, just hurt them. The Empire continued. Besides, the Rebels were using Star Wars strength weapons, not Covenant strength weapons.


Yeah I guess your right. But I think the covenant would put up a good fight in my opinion


Only if they get the armed Keyship and that planet full of Forerunner warships as seen in Halo Wars.

  • 03.08.2012 8:38 PM PDT

No, 40k and SW actually have similar yields in terms of ship-ship firepower. For instance, the high range of a lance-battery is something like a few hundred teratons? However, they only carry a small number of lance turrets compared to 50+ turbolasers each capable of putting out over 10 teratons per shot. In all they equal each other out.

Any who, yes, shielding on the ISD can take around 2 pt of power. This is because the total max output of power is something like a few billion terawats or something and shield power is usually around 90% as powerful as the total power output.

  • 03.08.2012 8:43 PM PDT

Yes, indeed ISD's can tank "planet destroying firepower". By the way, that's not even planet destroying firepower.

Sources? The Invisible Hand, another 22 year old ship, could put out one teraton per turret, of which it had 14. That's already 14 teratons, not counting the 30-something other laser cannons it has.

The Acclamator, another ship over 2 decades old, could put out 2.4 teratons of power with it's turbolasers.

The ISD I was 10 times more powerful than the Acclamator.


Are you retarded? I missed the part where "most Covenant weapons" meant pulse lasers. Most Covenant weapons implies most shipboard weapon systems, not just pulse lasers.

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I think the covenant would win based on a few factors.

1. Their ships are larger than their empire equivilants.
2. Every single ship they have has a major anti ship gun, in the case of larger ships being the glassing beam, where as most imperial ships do not have a main cannon like that.
3. Seraph fighers have shields, tie fighters do not.
4. Only Vader and Palps have the force, so it's not really a factor.
5. The death star may have a large cannon, but the covenant are not stupid. They get in close enough to use their cleansing beams on the station directly, and that big gun isn't going to make any sort of difference.

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If we are using the whole species war then...
Considering DS is used then it would be covenants main objective.
They would send fleets to rush the deathstar.
The deathstar is not fast enough to destroy 1k of ships before they reach it.
And then the glassing happens.

  • 03.08.2012 11:42 PM PDT


Posted by: MikeM1K30
The Death Star has multiple overlapping planetary shielding devices. But before we get into that, let's look at an Imperial Star Destroyer's (ISD) stats. The shielding is capable of tanking over 2 petatons of energy per second, and it's main armament can dole out well over 100 teratons of firepower per volley. I'm fairly certain that Covenant shields fail after 1 kiloton of energy, which I also read is the yield of their ship-ship plasma cannons.

I also remember seeing that the Covenant fleet at it's peak had something along the lines of 2.5-5 thousand ships. If each had 10 plasma cannons, that's 50,000 kt of energy per volley of every ship. That literally isn't even .0001% of what an ISD can tank effortlessly.


And again, along the lines of ground combat, there really isn't a way to deal with an army tens of trillions strong, augmented by insanely OP combat units like Dark Troopers and Dark Jedi.


This. The only reason the Stormtroopers were inaccurate was plot armor.

  • 03.09.2012 3:01 AM PDT

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I am pretty sure that the production capabilities of the Empire far outstrip that of the Covenant's. They will have a far larger economy and military industrial might with populations in the trillions, whilst the Covenant would struggle to get past the 100 billion mark collectively. It is not as if the Covenant has a very good chance in space against them either. Also, I don't believe the Empire has the same issues the Covenant has in remaining stagnant with their technology, science and tactics. If they don't, then they would outsmart the Covenant as well as outgunning them and out-producing them in terms of ships, weapons and soldiers.

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If we are using the whole species war then...
Considering DS is used then it would be covenants main objective.
They would send fleets to rush the deathstar.
The deathstar is not fast enough to destroy 1k of ships before they reach it.
And then the glassing happens.


I highly doubt the covenant would be dumb enought to make the DS its main objective seeing has that thing is only good on planets not ships which would be tiny to it. That is like trying to killing a moving fly with a grenade launcher.


And please tell us how you can glass a ship.

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Posted by: FTW 1997
If we are using the whole species war then...
Considering DS is used then it would be covenants main objective.
They would send fleets to rush the deathstar.
The deathstar is not fast enough to destroy 1k of ships before they reach it.
And then the glassing happens.


I highly doubt the covenant would be dumb enought to make the DS its main objective seeing has that thing is only good on planets not ships which would be tiny to it. That is like trying to killing a moving fly with a grenade launcher.


And please tell us how you can glass a ship.


Lol grey i missed you.

Saying that it can destroy planets easly.
They could burn the covenant to heck in no time then.
Just imagine loads of covenant fleets without planets.

You can simple glass a ship by passing over it ?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I never left.

Ok? and it isn't like the DeathStar has no flaws whatsoever.
No it couldn't because it is used for planets not ships, so you don't know what you are talking about.

Just tell us how planets have anythign to do with space battles.

You bombard ships you do not glass them.


So you don't know starwars or halo. not like we all didn't already know you don't understand halo.



*Edit and which Deathstar are we talking about? because as normal nobody sets clear rules of engagements and explains the engagement.

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Fun fact is that Covenant's firepower still remains megaton in range and it is nothing compared to Empire.

I'm just pointing out that Covenant's proper offensive and defensive yields are in range of low digit megatons only.

Otherwise, the Empire wins this war because of: Empire has trillions of soldiers, far numerous than any Covenant can spare its troops. Also, their firepower and defensive yields ARE IN gigatons to LOW DIGIT teratons, NOT PETATONS. IIRC, I believe that Empire has about 25,000 ISD ships that far outnumbers the Covenant. You're talking about Covenant fleet facing the Empire fleet that is 8.3 times larger than Covenant fleets.

So, it is victory and also curbstomp for Empire.

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  • 03.09.2012 10:43 AM PDT

Empire has way too many ships for this to be a fair fight.

^^The largest known Covenant starship weapon is calculated at around 201.1 gigatons, give or take. This is an Assault Carrier.

And I'm not going to address the bull-blam!- with Wars weapon calcs. No matter what evidence is thrown at them, the fans refuse to see it.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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The CSO is the largest known covenant ship.

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Empire has way too many ships for this to be a fair fight.

^^The largest known Covenant starship weapon is calculated at around 201.1 gigatons, give or take. This is an Assault Carrier.

And I'm not going to address the bull-blam!- with Wars weapon calcs. No matter what evidence is thrown at them, the fans refuse to see it.


Post a calculation to prove that it was 200 gigatons. AJ's firepower is NOWHERE near that firepower. In First Strike, it only caused the fragmentation of 3k asteroid which it suggests that it was in megatons in range.

It's canon.

  • 03.09.2012 11:23 AM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Empire has way too many ships for this to be a fair fight.

^^The largest known Covenant starship weapon is calculated at around 201.1 gigatons, give or take. This is an Assault Carrier.

And I'm not going to address the bull-blam!- with Wars weapon calcs. No matter what evidence is thrown at them, the fans refuse to see it.


Post a calculation to prove that it was 200 gigatons. AJ's firepower is NOWHERE near that firepower. In First Strike, it only caused the fragmentation of 3k asteroid which it suggests that it was in megatons in range.

It's canon.


I am going by the stardestroyer.net calculator, which lists vaporization as having chunks no larger then ten meters remaining. Which is also why I said give or take, because the roid that got hit was described as, while yes having chunks surviving it, also leaving no more but glowing gas after the explosion in the wake of the spiraling chunks, after the entire roid's surface glowed "white hot". Also note that the torpedo "punched through the other side" meaning it kept going, meaning it did not use all of it's energy.

And why do I say that's not canon?


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Sources? The Invisible Hand, another 22 year old ship, could put out one teraton per turret, of which it had 14. That's already 14 teratons, not counting the 30-something other laser cannons it has.



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@Grey101, I said weapon, by meassurement.

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