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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Alfdog
You notice how he made these remarks after the book was released and gave some excuse about the amour being heightened. He knew he messed up.

Well that's no surprise tbh. The first book "trilogy" has aged quite poorly since it was written. It was Nylund himself, for instance, who changed the date of when the Elites were first encountered in the war when he wrote Ghosts of Onyx.


My point. Authors, however good they are, will screw up on big universes like this sometimes.

  • 02.25.2012 7:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Alfdog
You notice how he made these remarks after the book was released and gave some excuse about the amour being heightened. He knew he messed up.

Well that's no surprise tbh. The first book "trilogy" has aged quite poorly since it was written. It was Nylund himself, for instance, who changed the date of when the Elites were first encountered in the war when he wrote Ghosts of Onyx.


Given the timeframe he had to write the novel and considering what he was given by bungie. I think he did an incredible job. The books still holds up well, even going as far as a re-print.

I would assume he had no idea Halo was going to blow up the way it did. Not to forget he was working for months under a rough timeframe. He created an atmosphere of a universe and it's is being scrutinised daily a generation later.

I disagree that it held up poorly. Yes, there are inconsistancies. But given the situation and the outcome. Halo lore and arguble BU would not be as strong if not for FoR and later FS.

The book came out before the first halo game even came out. Many people seem to forget that. The book on it's own would still have held well when not conflicting with any other source material.

  • 02.25.2012 7:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: ninjakenzen
I often wondered why the Elites weren't the chosen successors to the forerunners.

They're harder, better, faster and stronger. They aren't the typical daft punks we call humans.

Brawns isn't everything I suppose. And they have their own issues as well like our own society; their own brand of idiots and retards. (Ripa and evidently the ones in that Weeping Sorrows Prison complex) It may be due to their culture as well. They seem to be a pretty belligerent race though. They strike me as more likely to conquer and enslave rather than foster a safe environment for lesser races.

Though new canon seems to point at the Forerunners not really choosing us, but giving in to the Precursors demands that it be us, and who knows what the hell is going on inside their heads...

It's a good question though, one that has never really been answered. I'm sure there are more species than just the Covenant in the Galaxy as well. Out of them all, why Humanity? It will probably boil down to the usual trope about Humanity being "diverse" or "adaptable".

  • 02.25.2012 7:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: ninjakenzen
Given the timeframe he had to write the novel and considering what he was given by bungie. I think he did an incredible job. The books still holds up well, even going as far as a re-print.

I would assume he had no idea Halo was going to blow up the way it did. Not to forget he was working for months under a rough timeframe. He created an atmosphere of a universe and it's is being scrutinised daily a generation later.

I disagree that it held up poorly. Yes, there are inconsistencies. But given the situation and the outcome. Halo lore and arguble BU would not be as strong if not for FoR and later FS.

The book came out before the first halo game even came out. Many people seem to forget that. The book on it's own would still have held well when not conflicting with any other source material.

Now I'm not saying anything here is Nylund's fault, as you seem to be making excuses for him. That's fine, as I agree with them but it is, at least in my opinion, a fact of the franchise itself that the works from its early years have held up less than optimally. Yes, I realize that Halo was not expected to become as large and popular as it has, and also that the authors essentially took pieces of scrap paper with notes on them, left over from game design and used them as nothing more than a bare story arc. They filled out, around those rough notes, almost all of the details you find in the books. If there is any blame then it is on Bungie for either not keeping a tight enough grasp on the leash or, more likely, for not having at least a semi-solid set of details and parameters about the fiction set down for the author to use.

  • 02.25.2012 8:07 PM PDT
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I don't know who is better in the Halo universe Elites or Brutes. But I do know that the Elites were great to play against in Halo Reach.

By the way, the Master Chief was able to flip a Scorpion tank in Halo CE. If that logic holds true for the entire series; the Master Chief should be able to rip apart a Brute like a Bananna.

  • 02.25.2012 10:31 PM PDT

why the crap do you care?


Posted by: Blazedpanda14
To be honest they seemed like, "Woahh.." in Halo Combat Evolved but now they're not as impressive, they're now between 7 and 8 feet tall, and most surprisingly only on average to weigh about 144kg's, not a huge lot bigger than a large Marine, if it wasn't for their higher gravity home-world and a double set of pectoral muscles, they really wouldn't be much tougher than humans, my personal opinion is that they're only about 4 times stronger, a spartan would kick their ass, almost as big, far faster reactions they simply couldn't follow their movements not to mention strength, a spartan in MJOLNIR is a match for a brute, so really Elites aren't so hot, a smart and cunning ODST is surely a match for them!


a few things:
Elites are smarter
Elites are faster
Elites are stronger
Elites can take a rocket to the face and live, which i have witnessed
Elites don't care about life or death
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushido

  • 03.01.2012 7:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: gk143
Elites are smarter

There's not really any evidence of this, just fanon.

Posted by: gk143
Elites can take a rocket to the face and live, which i have witnessed

...right.

Posted by: gk143
Elites don't care about life or death
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushido

One of the comforts about having the absolute certainty that you will go to an eternal paradise after you die.

  • 03.01.2012 7:29 PM PDT

We’re flawed because we want so much more. We’re ruined because we get these things and wish for what we had.

Elites can take a rocket to the face and live, which i have witnessed
Yeah about that. Gameplay isn't exactly canon.

  • 03.01.2012 7:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mr Owen L
In headhunters The two Spartans discuss if they are against Gorillas or 'gators being brutes or elites and they would rather face Elites as they are smart and theyfore predictable, they follow set patrols and fight in similar styles but Brutes are unpredictable and wild thrashing out randomly. I Believe that Elites are really that great, They are stronger, faster and technically better warriors than humans. What they lack is that ingenuity or randomness that humans have. Sometimes it is best to break regulation or change tactics or do something spontaneous such as the Keye's loop which Keyes states is acctually incredibly stupid and risky but An Elite would never even consider this.
This.

In H1, all the Elites had major distinctions.

Elite Minors: poor fighters and were the easiest to take out because they didn't fire their guns that much
Elite Majors: Fired in short but accurate bursts, were freaking fast when strafing
Elite Zealots: Berserked a lot, leaped at the player. Plasma rifle wielders fired in long bursts. Super fast
Elite Spec Ops: Threw grenades when shot at, were pretty fast

In H2 and Reach, the Elites (other than unique roles like Spec Ops or Rangers) don't really have much of a distinction, other than in shield strength and vehicle and weapon usage. In many ways, they are like Halo 3 Brutes. In Reach, now all Elite ranks use grenades. All Elites have the same speed. And all Elites show the same behavior when their shield is down; it's very noticeable compared to CE. Other than their distinctive armor, the only differences seem to be health and weapon and vehicle usage.

I find Elite minors to be the most annoying Elite rank in Reach compared to concussion rifle spamming Ultra Elites.

In H3, all Elites prefer to go cqc or stand and get shot in place. Only Arbiter was exempt from this, taking cover quite a lot. The Elites in H3 were the worst, that's for sure.

[Edited on 03.01.2012 8:10 PM PST]

  • 03.01.2012 8:06 PM PDT

Posted by: gk143
Elites don't care about life or death
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushido

One of the comforts about having the absolute certainty that you will go to an eternal paradise after you die.


tru dat

  • 03.02.2012 11:23 AM PDT

144kg's is 317.47lbs so your both right

  • 03.02.2012 11:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: DrPepperlova07

Posted by: Blazedpanda14
To be honest they seemed like, "Woahh.." in Halo Combat Evolved but now they're not as impressive, they're now between 7 and 8 feet tall, and most surprisingly only on average to weigh about 144kg's, not a huge lot bigger than a large Marine, if it wasn't for their higher gravity home-world and a double set of pectoral muscles, they really wouldn't be much tougher than humans, my personal opinion is that they're only about 4 times stronger, a spartan would kick their ass, almost as big, far faster reactions they simply couldn't follow their movements not to mention strength, a spartan in MJOLNIR is a match for a brute, so really Elites aren't so hot, a smart and cunning ODST is surely a match for them!


I dont know where your getting your information. Elites usually weigh about 400lbs and they are as tough as ever and excellent warriors. Have you ever even read any of the Halo books?

  • 03.02.2012 2:59 PM PDT

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