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Subject: I completed it on Heroic!

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost

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I guess Im a wimp:(
I've played both H1 (PoA, T&R, SC, AotCR, Two Betrayals, The Maw) and H2 (CS, OS, Metropolis, Oracle, QZ, Uprising, GJ) on LASO and found both of them enjoyable, challenging, but not necessarily frustrating. Likewise, their Legendary difficulties (H1: I assassinate as many Elites as I can and plasmas + Covie weapons = god, H2: dual wielding SMGs, getting assassinations, grenade sticks, manipulations).

Problems in CE: Wraiths
Problems in H2: vehicle combat, Flood, Brutes, Jackal snipers that never seem to stop spawning

H2 may have been the beginning of the end, but H3 and Reach are for hardcore players and are the end (unless 343 manages to give Halo 4 a balanced difficulty).

Look at the Legendary description: "Tremble as teeming hordes of invincible alien monsters punish the slightest error with instant death... again and again." H2 had the decency to take 'the invincible alien monsters' part out.

Look at the skulls: more advantages for enemies.

Look at the horrific AI (whether superior or inferior, they always have one thing in common: they're cheap), the player's grenade count, the weapon sandbox, the slow combat, the enemy damage, the huge number of bs and randomness.


Basically you're saying that you hate Halo 3 legendary

  • 02.21.2012 8:30 AM PDT

It's interesting that players found Halo 3 difficult but i suppose we all find different games harder. Halo 3 I thought was easy and I haven't had trouble with SLASO so far. I've been killed more times by Elites through friendly fire than I have the enemy in some levels...

  • 02.21.2012 8:44 AM PDT

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And Cobravert is absolutely correct.

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: Cobravert
You can do Legendary.
Seriously, it is not that much harder than Heroic. Just be alert for Jackal snipers and keep your distance on Brute Chieftans.
Uh, don't you mean allow Chieftains to get close so you can assassinate them when they do that ridiculously easy to avoid standard melee? Or are you talking about the War Chieftains? In those cases, it's best to close the distance as well for an easy assassination. Either that or let/get Arby to kill them.

No, I do not mean allow them to get close to you. Most players don't do that. Most everyone I have ever played with would rather shoot than just punch things. On Legendary in certain areas you are not going to get the chance to assassinate them unless you wait them out for a long time to come find you camping in ambush.
You can advertise your method of play all you want. It isn't what everyone wishes to do. My 13 year old likes to play that way, running around punching things. It's really, really boring to watch.

[Edited on 02.21.2012 8:52 AM PST]

  • 02.21.2012 8:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy

Basically you're saying that you hate Halo 3 legendary
I find H3 to be seriously sub-par in so many ways. I can't believe I used to cling so fondly to it.

Posted by: Cobravert
Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: Cobravert
You can do Legendary.
Seriously, it is not that much harder than Heroic. Just be alert for Jackal snipers and keep your distance on Brute Chieftans.
Uh, don't you mean allow Chieftains to get close so you can assassinate them when they do that ridiculously easy to avoid standard melee? Or are you talking about the War Chieftains? In those cases, it's best to close the distance as well for an easy assassination. Either that or let/get Arby to kill them.

No, I do not mean allow them to get close to you. Most players don't do that. Most everyone I have ever played with would rather shoot than just punch things. On Legendary in certain areas you are not going to get the chance to assassinate them unless you wait them out for a long time to come find you camping in ambush.
You can advertise your method of play all you want. It isn't what everyone wishes to do. My 13 year old likes to play that way, running around punching things. It's really, really boring to watch.
What's so great about fighting damage sponges directly? Noob combo? Plasma rifles? Spikers? It's boring. I lost interest in gun play ever since I really started working with H3. Gun play in H1 and H2. Now that's fun. Gun play in H3 and Reach? Boring.

In every encounter, there is an easy assassination opportunity on hammer Chieftains. You just have to go up to them or go to a certain area (on The Covenant, first tower, if you stay close to the glass window area, the Chieftain might come to you. This will also cause the War Chieftain in the third tower to deploy his power drain after which you can just jump back and he'll have wasted it).

Beating down Flood is more boring than assassinating Chieftains. Besides, beating Chieftains is amusing because you can stop them from completing their melee animation.

Posted by: Wilis_kid
It's interesting that players found Halo 3 difficult but i suppose we all find different games harder. Halo 3 I thought was easy and I haven't had trouble with SLASO so far. I've been killed more times by Elites through friendly fire than I have the enemy in some levels...
It's not that the enemies are difficult but it's how slow it is. The reload time is unbearable. The enemy damage is ridiculous. The dive from grenades animations are unrealistically fast. You have to take cover even more than in H2.

  • 02.21.2012 11:50 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

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Yeah about Chieftain assasinations, they are much easier on easy and normal because the chieftains will likely only use their lunging attack. They will jump right past you and you just turn around and assasinate.

However, on heroic and legendary they start using desly jumping attacks, and they usuall land right in top of you. This is were you have to dodge them like mad and just waut until he dies the lunge attack, then you assasinate.

And i think that war chieftans are pathetic. If i have a brute shot and get close enough i can beat him to death without any difficulty. I even did this on heroic, even though a melee from him on this difficulty would have drained my shields he never got the chance because after every melee from the brute shot he stumbles

  • 02.21.2012 1:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy
Yeah about Chieftain assasinations, they are much easier on easy and normal because the chieftains will likely only use their lunging attack. They will jump right past you and you just turn around and assasinate.

However, on heroic and legendary they start using desly jumping attacks, and they usuall land right in top of you. This is were you have to dodge them like mad and just waut until he dies the lunge attack, then you assasinate.

And i think that war chieftans are pathetic. If i have a brute shot and get close enough i can beat him to death without any difficulty. I even did this on heroic, even though a melee from him on this difficulty would have drained my shields he never got the chance because after every melee from the brute shot he stumbles
The jump attack only happens after they have used Invincibility. The only other hammer attack one has to watch out for is when you're right behind them.

The Brute shot's melee is quite fast.

  • 02.21.2012 1:14 PM PDT
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It's not that I'm crazy... It's just that, you're not as far out there as I am.

If you want help with the campaign on legendary, hit me up some time.
I'm not always on, but it's always a good challenge :)

  • 02.21.2012 1:35 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

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Posted by: CruddiestBlock1
If you want help with the campaign on legendary, hit me up some time.
I'm not always on, but it's always a good challenge :)


Thanks although I would like to do it solo first

Started it on legendary last night, it's a nightmare. I got to the jungle bit full of jackal snipers before leaving it for the night. Those got damn jackal snipers, and those god damn brute shots, and those plasma grenades. God knows how I'm going to do it, but m determined to carry on. But so far I must say its a lot more challenging than heroic

  • 02.22.2012 8:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy

I got to the jungle bit full of jackal snipers before leaving it for the night. Those got damn jackal snipers, and those god damn brute shots, and those plasma grenades. God knows how I'm going to do it, but m determined to carry on. But so far I must say its a lot more challenging than heroic
The easiest way is to use sword Arby.

But first you have to give him a sword so when you start the mission, use your AR on him until his shield is down then go up to him and shoot him in the head and move his Carbine away (keep it if you wish. You can swap your AR for it after which you can headshot Johnson, move his AR, allowing him to get up with a BR, kill him at a later point before he climbs up the waterfall and take it from him, leaving you armed with much better weapons than that pos Magnum and AR).

You can then use Arbiter at 2 points to alienate the Covenant forces without much effort other than supporting shots from your BR/Carbine:

-this area (he has the bonus of being permanently cloaked, as long as you don't drop down to the ground and go too close to the water)

-the area where Johnson and 2 marines are retreating. Sure Arby will get killed very often but he'll pwn the Covies right below you and take out some Grunts. I suggest taking out the Jackal marksmen/snipers while he's providing the distraction. To get him back up, simply go back into the forest a bit and wait until you see Arby's waypoint on the cliff that he usually goes to (he will have teleported). If there are still Grunts in his sight, he'll go down again and you can do this again and again and again until he has alienated most of the Covies. It's like that cheap Co-op strategy, only more convenient and entertaining. AI doing all the work is exciting to watch imo. :D

[The next thing I wanted to show is still uploading but it involves getting outside of the map. I'll add it in an edit]

If you'd prefer to play within bounds, you can jump to a good vantage point from which you can take out a lot of enemies before triggering the cutscene. Here's what I mean. Thanks to this simple sequence of jumps, the rest of the dam was child's play. I took out 1 Jackal marksmen, 1 Jackal sniper, the 2 bodyguards, and most of the Grunts down below before triggering the cutscene. The only risk has to be Brute Shot Brutes.

The Chieftain activated his Invincibility because I killed both bodyguards but I was lucky he didn't do his leap attack (not that it matters).

Note: all my videos in this post were done on Heroic. I never play on Legendary anymore. Imo, Legendary is boring but Heroic is twice the fun!!

Edit:

Here it is. This is a pretty exciting glitch.

Note: You cannot have the full 9 marines. If all 6 marines from the previous areas are intact, the 3 marines that spawn at the dam will always be dead after the cutscene regardless of where you move them.

[Edited on 02.22.2012 1:32 PM PST]

  • 02.22.2012 12:35 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Mark V guy

I got to the jungle bit full of jackal snipers before leaving it for the night. Those got damn jackal snipers, and those god damn brute shots, and those plasma grenades. God knows how I'm going to do it, but m determined to carry on. But so far I must say its a lot more challenging than heroic
The easiest way is to use sword Arby.

But first you have to give him a sword so when you start the mission, use your AR on him until his shield is down then go up to him and shoot him in the head and move his Carbine away (keep it if you wish. You can swap your AR for it after which you can headshot Johnson, move his AR, allowing him to get up with a BR, kill him at a later point before he climbs up the waterfall and take it from him, leaving you armed with much better weapons than that pos Magnum and AR).

You can then use Arbiter at 2 points to alienate the Covenant forces without much effort other than supporting shots from your BR/Carbine:

-this area (he has the bonus of being permanently cloaked, as long as you don't drop down to the ground and go too close to the water)

-the area where Johnson and 2 marines are retreating. Sure Arby will get killed very often but he'll pwn the Covies right below you and take out some Grunts. I suggest taking out the Jackal marksmen/snipers while he's providing the distraction. To get him back up, simply go back into the forest a bit and wait until you see Arby's waypoint on the cliff that he usually goes to (he will have teleported). If there are still Grunts in his sight, he'll go down again and you can do this again and again and again until he has alienated most of the Covies. It's like that cheap Co-op strategy, only more convenient and entertaining. AI doing all the work is exciting to watch imo. :D

[The next thing I wanted to show is still uploading but it involves getting outside of the map. I'll add it in an edit]

If you'd prefer to play within bounds, you can jump to a good vantage point from which you can take out a lot of enemies before triggering the cutscene. Here's what I mean. Thanks to this simple sequence of jumps, the rest of the dam was child's play. I took out 1 Jackal marksmen, 1 Jackal sniper, the 2 bodyguards, and most of the Grunts down below before triggering the cutscene. The only risk has to be Brute Shot Brutes.

The Chieftain activated his Invincibility because I killed both bodyguards but I was lucky he didn't do his leap attack (not that it matters).

Note: all my videos in this post were done on Heroic. I never play on Legendary anymore. Imo, Legendary is boring but Heroic is twice the fun!!

Edit:

Here it is. This is a pretty exciting glitch.

Note: You cannot have the full 9 marines. If all 6 marines from the previous areas are intact, the 3 marines that spawn at the dam will always be dead after the cutscene regardless of where you move them.


Thanks for the tips, in fact I'll have the iPad with this on beside me when I attempt next time

Also on the the brute chieftains, I have discovered they have 5 attacks

Lunge attack
Jump attack
Behind attack (when you are right behind them)
Swing attack (simply swing it from left to right, only happens at close range)
Hammer down (bringing the hammer straight down)

Also, the jump attack has happened to me several times with no invincibility

One if the main disappointments with halo 3' chieftians is their glitchy AI. Way to often they just stand there and take about 10 seconds to react. This makes it way to easy to go up to a chieftain on easy and beat him down with a brute shot, because he just stands there not doing anything. On ODST this is harder because the spiker melee only achieves normal spartan damage and the RIDICOLOUS NERFING OF THE BRUTE SHOT makes it useless against anything. However, when they glitch and stand still in ODST it is sometimes a good idea to just lay into them with an SMG before they activate invincibility

Just a little info on chieftains.

Oh and a side note, I don't think war chieftains deserve to be the second highest rank. They are so easy to kill. I think maybe it would be better if the war chieftains we have are chieftains and the war chieftains are the hammer chieftains.

BTW have you ever seen a hammer wielding war chieftain in ODST? I have yet to see one

  • 02.22.2012 2:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy

Thanks for the tips, in fact I'll have the iPad with this on beside me when I attempt next time
No problem.

Posted by: Mark V guy

Also, the jump attack has happened to me several times with no invincibility

One if the main disappointments with halo 3' chieftians is their glitchy AI. Way to often they just stand there and take about 10 seconds to react. This makes it way to easy to go up to a chieftain on easy and beat him down with a brute shot, because he just stands there not doing anything. On ODST this is harder because the spiker melee only achieves normal spartan damage and the RIDICOLOUS NERFING OF THE BRUTE SHOT makes it useless against anything. However, when they glitch and stand still in ODST it is sometimes a good idea to just lay into them with an SMG before they activate invincibility

Just a little info on chieftains.
Did you kill both bodyguards before engaging the Chieftain?

You could always shoot him with the spiker (dual wield it in H3). Chieftains and Hunters are both easily stunned by spiker rounds. It's a good alternative to meleeing.

Posted by: Mark V guy

Oh and a side note, I don't think war chieftains deserve to be the second highest rank. They are so easy to kill. I think maybe it would be better if the war chieftains we have are chieftains and the war chieftains are the hammer chieftains.

BTW have you ever seen a hammer wielding war chieftain in ODST? I have yet to see one
War Chieftains aren't much of a boss enemy, except the fuel rod gun wielding one on Crow's Nest. That one gave me nightmares.

Neither have I.

  • 02.22.2012 4:10 PM PDT

New Marathon? Thanks Bungie!


Posted by: Destiny 7
Heroic? Wimp.

Try Mythic.

the horror, the horror

  • 02.22.2012 7:36 PM PDT


Posted by: Cobravert

Forgive me of sounding like an idiot, but using a gun on legendary is a nooby decision. The only manner that will allow you to get any kills on higher difficulties (Legendary +) is just to PP + BR the entire level or acquire 2 plasma rifles and tear off shields then finish off with a headshot. However, if you are sneaky and smart enough, you can assassinate your enemies and drastically reduce time spent fighting.

  • 02.22.2012 9:34 PM PDT

Citizens of Me! The cruelty of the old Pharaoh is a thing of the past. Let a whole new wave of cruelty wash over this lazy land.

Hear the word of Pharaoh. Build unto me a statue of ridiculous proportion. One billion cubits in height......that I might be remembered for all eternity!

And be quick about it!

I beat it on Legendary but I got myself into a horrible jam on the Ark. I sailed into the Wraith right before the Frigate shows up and got a checkpoint, so when I spawned I was hurdling towards a Wraith in an empty Prowler with half my shields gone and several ghosts on my ass!

It took my friend and I probably 50 tries to get out of that situation. I had no weapons or anything to get out, so he had the idea of kind of just turning around, going back to the previous area (which was full of enemies I tried to skip past, so this was also a challenge), then we go back farther after finally killing the enemies behind me to a place to find a sentinel beam and a sniper rifle.

The sniper rifle is used to kill many grunts and brutes, and the sentinel beam is used to kill the Wraith or something. God that was the hardest thing to beat I've ever seen, took hours! I probably would have won faster if I just started the level over!

  • 02.23.2012 12:38 AM PDT

I always play every new game , solo legendary or the equivalent
hardest setting , not including slaso.(I try slaso after)
You don't no what going to happen next or were you have to go ,and i think this is the hardest the game can possibly be .
This is a missed opportunity ,iv played on an easier level first.

  • 02.23.2012 3:08 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

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OK so far Sierra 117 is impossible on Legendary, i reached the part with the chieftain pushing Johnson and gave up.

  • 02.23.2012 11:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy
OK so far Sierra 117 is impossible on Legendary, i reached the part with the chieftain pushing Johnson and gave up.
Even if you hoarded weapons from the previous area? You did bring extra BR ammo + plasma pistols right?

What makes it so difficult for you? The Jackal snipers? The Chieftain? Don't waste any sniper bullets on him.

  • 02.23.2012 3:44 PM PDT
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Btw, I'd prefer to be a wimp than to be recognized for defeating false difficulty.

I used to adore the Mythic skull, turning it on every time I played a mission. Now I despise it. Likewise, Blind is redundant. In H2, it was useful for machinima but now we have Theater. What's the point of it other than to make the campaign way more harder than it needed be? I don't mind the loss of the weapon hud elements, the on-screen text, the shield bar, the crosshair, or the grenade count. But the loss of my hands and my gun is very annoying and a great immersion breaker.

There are several other skulls that I dislike such as Tough Luck, which isn't really needed on Legendary since the Covies already dive like crazy and it makes Brutes always berserk, and Catch, which is really, really false difficulty because it makes AI even more idiotic.

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  • 02.23.2012 3:48 PM PDT

>MFW everyone already completed the game on Legendary 4 years ago.

  • 02.23.2012 4:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Mark V guy
OK so far Sierra 117 is impossible on Legendary, i reached the part with the chieftain pushing Johnson and gave up.
Even if you hoarded weapons from the previous area? You did bring extra BR ammo + plasma pistols right?

What makes it so difficult for you? The Jackal snipers? The Chieftain? Don't waste any sniper bullets on him.


I forgot to to do weapons hoard thing. But I did find giving Arby a brute shot to be helpful

Things I hate are the jackal snipers and those god damn brute shots. Even with Arby using the brute shot, he dies a lot, and it's unhelpful that his brute shot changes into a carbine after a while. Even the grunts, are a nuisance

I do think that the brutes and jackals are the hardest. At the chieftain bit I find a cool sniping spot in the tree, but I only managed to take out the jackal and the brute bodyguard before being insta sniped by a beam rifle.

It's hellish, he'll me!

  • 02.24.2012 8:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: frostninja77
>MFW everyone already completed the game on Legendary 4 years ago.


That is so interesting, thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion

  • 02.24.2012 8:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Btw, I'd prefer to be a wimp than to be recognized for defeating false difficulty.

I used to adore the Mythic skull, turning it on every time I played a mission. Now I despise it. Likewise, Blind is redundant. In H2, it was useful for machinima but now we have Theater. What's the point of it other than to make the campaign way more harder than it needed be? I don't mind the loss of the weapon hud elements, the on-screen text, the shield bar, the crosshair, or the grenade count. But the loss of my hands and my gun is very annoying and a great immersion breaker.

There are several other skulls that I dislike such as Tough Luck, which isn't really needed on Legendary since the Covies already dive like crazy and it makes Brutes always berserk, and Catch, which is really, really false difficulty because it makes AI even more idiotic.


Yeah, I hate pretty much all the skulls apart from Thunderstorm. Sometimes i turn on Thunderstorm for easy because with no skulls in easy you don't even need to shoot. In fact, it is possible to clear Sierra 117 and Crows Nest without firing a single shot on easy. But with Thunderstorm, it takes longer to just melee everything and makes you more vulnerable, thus making it more useful to shoot

  • 02.24.2012 8:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Mark V guy
OK so far Sierra 117 is impossible on Legendary, i reached the part with the chieftain pushing Johnson and gave up.
Even if you hoarded weapons from the previous area? You did bring extra BR ammo + plasma pistols right?

What makes it so difficult for you? The Jackal snipers? The Chieftain? Don't waste any sniper bullets on him.


I forgot to to do weapons hoard thing. But I did find giving Arby a brute shot to be helpful

Things I hate are the jackal snipers and those god damn brute shots. Even with Arby using the brute shot, he dies a lot, and it's unhelpful that his brute shot changes into a carbine after a while. Even the grunts, are a nuisance

I do think that the brutes and jackals are the hardest. At the chieftain bit I find a cool sniping spot in the tree, but I only managed to take out the jackal and the brute bodyguard before being insta sniped by a beam rifle.

It's hellish, he'll me!
A stockpile isn't really hard to make. You just stand over a weapon, hold RB, move forward, release, hold RB, etc.

Arby can be useful with a brute shot but it is important to remember that the H3 Elites are inferior sub-par incompetents and that they go cqc every. single. time. Don't bother giving them a brute shot, fuel rod gun, or rocket launcher because they'll just close the distance to an enemy real fast.

The Jackal snipers aren't that bad. If you see a purple light, that means they see you. Quickly go back into cover, wait a few seconds, and he'll lose interest in you.

And the Brute Shot Brutes are much better than Carbine Brutes. You would do well to snipe the bodyguards and assassinate the Brute shot wielders because the former are more annoying.

  • 02.24.2012 4:37 PM PDT

"Bet you can't stick it"

Legendary is the only way to play Halo 3.

  • 02.24.2012 5:31 PM PDT

Have A Nice Day!

Commander, CammCam's Queensguard; Sapphire Mod; 34th Seat, Table of Avalon(Exiled);Captain, HAND

yolo? -blam!- that! YOLTOSS!! You Only Live Twice or Some -blam!-

I've only completed 3 solo on Heroic. It was the first game I didn't even attempt Legendary by myself because it was the first game I became addicted to multiplayer on, so I spent all of my Halo playing time in matchmaking.

  • 02.24.2012 8:04 PM PDT

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