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Subject: John 117 v.s Noble Six Fist Fight
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Poll: John 117 v.s Noble Six Fist Fight  [closed]
Noble Six:  13%
(5 Votes)
John 117:  87%
(34 Votes)
Total Votes: 39

i would say John 117

  • 02.20.2012 11:57 AM PDT

I see you're making a bunch more polls...


The obvious answer is Chief.

  • 02.20.2012 11:58 AM PDT
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Probably Six, if he has the drug that makes him really damn tough like the S-IIIs in Ghosts of Onyx.

  • 02.20.2012 12:04 PM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: And Im Here Too
Probably Six, if he has the drug that makes him really damn tough like the S-IIIs in Ghosts of Onyx.

Noble Six is from Beta Company, so he/she will not have that particular augmentation to the frontal lobe.

Chief is also wearing the next generation of MJOLNIR (assuming his Halo 3 self) and is from the SPARTAN-II Program, which had slightly more powerful augmentations, I think.

  • 02.20.2012 12:13 PM PDT
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Since Noble 6 is a girl, I will have to go with Chief.

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Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: And Im Here Too
Probably Six, if he has the drug that makes him really damn tough like the S-IIIs in Ghosts of Onyx.

Noble Six is from Beta Company, so he/she will not have that particular augmentation to the frontal lobe.

Chief is also wearing the next generation of MJOLNIR (assuming his Halo 3 self) and is from the SPARTAN-II Program, which had slightly more powerful augmentations, I think.


The Spartan-IIIs had equally powerful augmentations, with a much greater success rate. The key difference was the armor; obviously, it had to be cut back.

Six has MJOLNIR though, and his is just a smidge below John's if we're giving Chief Mk. VI. Six still has a decent chance of winning. Considering he was skilled enough to be given said armor, I'd say John most likely wouldn't be better at hand-to-hand combat by any appreciable degree.

  • 02.20.2012 12:18 PM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: And Im Here Too
Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: And Im Here Too
Probably Six, if he has the drug that makes him really damn tough like the S-IIIs in Ghosts of Onyx.

Noble Six is from Beta Company, so he/she will not have that particular augmentation to the frontal lobe.

Chief is also wearing the next generation of MJOLNIR (assuming his Halo 3 self) and is from the SPARTAN-II Program, which had slightly more powerful augmentations, I think.


The Spartan-IIIs had equally powerful augmentations, with a much greater success rate. The key difference was the armor; obviously, it had to be cut back.

Six has MJOLNIR though, and his is just a smidge below John's if we're giving Chief Mk. VI. Six still has a decent chance of winning. Considering he was skilled enough to be given said armor, I'd say John most likely wouldn't be better at hand-to-hand combat by any appreciable degree.

The MJOLNIR Mk. VI, and I quote, had "a lot less grapple points" than the Mk. V. Basically that means if they got into fisticuffs, there are essentially no easy places for the enemy to get a hold on if they try to pull fancy moves, whereas the Mk. V was rather more bulky and easier to get someone down on the floor.

Add to that the more powerful shields of the Mk. VI, and the fact that John-117 is more experienced (35 years of training and fighting) and also is larger in stature than N6, as well as being naturally lucky, Chief is holding all the chips.


[Edited on 02.20.2012 12:24 PM PST]

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Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: And Im Here Too
Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: And Im Here Too
Probably Six, if he has the drug that makes him really damn tough like the S-IIIs in Ghosts of Onyx.

Noble Six is from Beta Company, so he/she will not have that particular augmentation to the frontal lobe.

Chief is also wearing the next generation of MJOLNIR (assuming his Halo 3 self) and is from the SPARTAN-II Program, which had slightly more powerful augmentations, I think.


The Spartan-IIIs had equally powerful augmentations, with a much greater success rate. The key difference was the armor; obviously, it had to be cut back.

Six has MJOLNIR though, and his is just a smidge below John's if we're giving Chief Mk. VI. Six still has a decent chance of winning. Considering he was skilled enough to be given said armor, I'd say John most likely wouldn't be better at hand-to-hand combat by any appreciable degree.

The MJOLNIR Mk. VI, and I quote, had "a lot less grapple points" than the Mk. V. Basically that means if they got into fisticuffs, there are essentially no easy places for the enemy to get a hold on if they try to pull fancy moves, whereas the Mk. V was rather more bulky and easier to get someone down on the floor.

Add to that the more powerful shields of the Mk. VI, and the fact that John-117 is more experienced (35 years of training and fighting) and also is larger in stature than N6, as well as being naturally lucky, Chief is holding all the chips.


If Halo 2 and 3 are to be believed, John's shields are still cardboard, and Six wouldn't let John grab him. Neither would John let Six, for that matter.

John's had 35 years of fighting Covenant and Insurrectionists; neither combatant has any experience actually fighting another Spartan, especially not in unarmed combat.

  • 02.20.2012 12:27 PM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: And Im Here Too
Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: And Im Here Too
Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: And Im Here Too
Probably Six, if he has the drug that makes him really damn tough like the S-IIIs in Ghosts of Onyx.

Noble Six is from Beta Company, so he/she will not have that particular augmentation to the frontal lobe.

Chief is also wearing the next generation of MJOLNIR (assuming his Halo 3 self) and is from the SPARTAN-II Program, which had slightly more powerful augmentations, I think.


The Spartan-IIIs had equally powerful augmentations, with a much greater success rate. The key difference was the armor; obviously, it had to be cut back.

Six has MJOLNIR though, and his is just a smidge below John's if we're giving Chief Mk. VI. Six still has a decent chance of winning. Considering he was skilled enough to be given said armor, I'd say John most likely wouldn't be better at hand-to-hand combat by any appreciable degree.

The MJOLNIR Mk. VI, and I quote, had "a lot less grapple points" than the Mk. V. Basically that means if they got into fisticuffs, there are essentially no easy places for the enemy to get a hold on if they try to pull fancy moves, whereas the Mk. V was rather more bulky and easier to get someone down on the floor.

Add to that the more powerful shields of the Mk. VI, and the fact that John-117 is more experienced (35 years of training and fighting) and also is larger in stature than N6, as well as being naturally lucky, Chief is holding all the chips.


If Halo 2 and 3 are to be believed, John's shields are still cardboard, and Six wouldn't let John grab him. Neither would John let Six, for that matter.

John's had 35 years of fighting Covenant and Insurrectionists; neither combatant has any experience actually fighting another Spartan, especially not in unarmed combat.

Cardboard? Don't understand the analogy here....the Mk. V shields clearly withstand less shots than Johns; i.e. Johns will take more punches, and recharge quicker.

Regardless of which enemies have been fought, John has been baptised in war and has more than double the years of combat experience; experience in which a warrior will learn to fight.

And one cannot forget all the other points mentioned; larger stature, sleeker armour, lucky, etc.

Simply put, there are reasons to put in favour of Chief winning, but none to back up how N6 has any kind of advantage.

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Posted by: CoolCJ24
Cardboard? Don't understand the analogy here....the Mk. V shields clearly withstand less shots than Johns; i.e. Johns will take more punches, and recharge quicker.


A punch from a Spartan-III will still break those shields without much trouble. John's also a bigger target. He'll no doubt be able to hit Six, this is true, but Six will have an easier time hitting him. Having sturdier shields will mean little if Six is hitting him more often.

Regardless of which enemies have been fought, John has been baptised in war and has more than double the years of combat experience; experience in which a warrior will learn to fight.

Experience in fighting elephants won't mean much when a crocodile attacks.

And one cannot forget all the other points mentioned; larger stature, sleeker armour, lucky, etc.

Luck isn't a measurable point; it hardly counts here. I could just as easily say "Six dodges all of John's punches because he's lucky".

Stature, again, makes him easier to hit.

Sleeker armor will give Six something pretty to look at while they're beating each other up.

Simply put, there are reasons to put in favour of Chief winning, but none to back up how N6 has any kind of advantage.

Smaller size, more mobile because of smaller size, skilled to the point that he's considered as good as a Spartan-II and having a decade to back him up, whereas John has three decades but was pretty much average in terms of Spartan-II's.

  • 02.20.2012 12:41 PM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: And Im Here Too
A punch from a Spartan-III will still break those shields without much trouble. John's also a bigger target. He'll no doubt be able to hit Six, this is true, but Six will have an easier time hitting him. Having sturdier shields will mean little if Six is hitting him more often.

Spartan-IIIs are weaker than Spartan-IIs, that is a given fact I'm afraid. Spartan-IIs are capable of matching Elites in strength whilst Spartan-IIIs aren't. And arguing the size difference is just petty arguing really, we're talking less than half a foot size, it just gives John that slight better stance in terms of holding ground than N6. That slight size difference doesn't mean N6 is going to be hitting any faster; if anything, John has the armour more likely to react to his actions quicker, and with more power.


Experience in fighting elephants won't mean much when a crocodile attacks.
...wat

Master Chief has fought Insurrectionists, Elites, ODSTs, Brutes, Grunts, Hunters, Flood, Jackals, Sentinels, you name it. And he's fought them for longer. That's just a sure-fire advantage.


Luck isn't a measurable point; it hardly counts here. I could just as easily say "Six dodges all of John's punches because he's lucky".

And neither is "talent", but we all know that Linda the Spartan-II had an amazing talent for sniping; we still count that when we compare her as a Sniper to other Spartans. Luck can be considered a factor, it is stated throughout the Halo novels as an actual quality of John. And N6 is not known for his luck, John is, so no, that example won't work.

Stature, again, makes him easier to hit.

Sleeker armor will give Six something pretty to look at while they're beating each other up.

...the stature thing? Refer back to the start of this post.


Smaller size, more mobile because of smaller size, skilled to the point that he's considered as good as a Spartan-II and having a decade to back him up, whereas John has three decades but was pretty much average in terms of Spartan-II's.

Smaller size is only going to work against him in most situations due to being overwhelmed, he isn't any more mobile, he's in an inferior suit which is slower and less well protected AND easier to grapple, he's got less combat experience.

There is simply nothing to back up N6 winning...

  • 02.20.2012 1:07 PM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: Destiny 7
Depends on who has host.

Arbiter joins, takes host, host-boots everyone. Then proceeds to host-boot himself.

Arbiter was then banned from Xbox Live, and instead took up voice acting a Sergeant in a game called Modern Warfare 2.

  • 02.20.2012 1:11 PM PDT

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CoolCJ24.

^go this guy^

  • 02.20.2012 1:12 PM PDT

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This thread is nerdy even for a video game forum.

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Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: And Im Here Too
A punch from a Spartan-III will still break those shields without much trouble. John's also a bigger target. He'll no doubt be able to hit Six, this is true, but Six will have an easier time hitting him. Having sturdier shields will mean little if Six is hitting him more often.

Spartan-IIIs are weaker than Spartan-IIs, that is a given fact I'm afraid. Spartan-IIs are capable of matching Elites in strength whilst Spartan-IIIs aren't. And arguing the size difference is just petty arguing really, we're talking less than half a foot size, it just gives John that slight better stance in terms of holding ground than N6. That slight size difference doesn't mean N6 is going to be hitting any faster; if anything, John has the armour more likely to react to his actions quicker, and with more power.


Experience in fighting elephants won't mean much when a crocodile attacks.
...wat

Master Chief has fought Insurrectionists, Elites, ODSTs, Brutes, Grunts, Hunters, Flood, Jackals, Sentinels, you name it. And he's fought them for longer. That's just a sure-fire advantage.


Luck isn't a measurable point; it hardly counts here. I could just as easily say "Six dodges all of John's punches because he's lucky".

And neither is "talent", but we all know that Linda the Spartan-II had an amazing talent for sniping; we still count that when we compare her as a Sniper to other Spartans. Luck can be considered a factor, it is stated throughout the Halo novels as an actual quality of John. And N6 is not known for his luck, John is, so no, that example won't work.

Stature, again, makes him easier to hit.

Sleeker armor will give Six something pretty to look at while they're beating each other up.

...the stature thing? Refer back to the start of this post.


Smaller size, more mobile because of smaller size, skilled to the point that he's considered as good as a Spartan-II and having a decade to back him up, whereas John has three decades but was pretty much average in terms of Spartan-II's.

Smaller size is only going to work against him in most situations due to being overwhelmed, he isn't any more mobile, he's in an inferior suit which is slower and less well protected AND easier to grapple, he's got less combat experience.

There is simply nothing to back up N6 winning...


MK. VI armor isn't any faster or stronger than MK. V. The only differences are slightly better shielding, greater motion tracker, maybe slightly more flexibility, and a few others that are not strength, speed, or reflex time.

"Talent" can be relied upon; "luck" cannot. If I can reliably land six bullets with a revolver, that's talent. If I somehow manage to land six shots in the first time I've ever held a revolver, that's luck. It isn't counted in a debate because it isn't a tangible trait. You can measure talent. You can't measure luck.

If Spartan-III's are weaker than Spartan-II's, it isn't by much, considering both can break shields quite easily. And remember, Brutes are stronger than Spartan-II's, and yet they're still beaten in hand-to-hand combat all the time.

John's fought everything seen so far in the Haloverse, yes, but he's never openly fought another Spartan to the death. Does he now how Six fights? Does Six know how Chief fights?

There may be several factors in John's favor, but there's certainly no guarantee he'd win.

  • 02.20.2012 1:21 PM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: And Im Here Too
Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: And Im Here Too
A punch from a Spartan-III will still break those shields without much trouble. John's also a bigger target. He'll no doubt be able to hit Six, this is true, but Six will have an easier time hitting him. Having sturdier shields will mean little if Six is hitting him more often.

Spartan-IIIs are weaker than Spartan-IIs, that is a given fact I'm afraid. Spartan-IIs are capable of matching Elites in strength whilst Spartan-IIIs aren't. And arguing the size difference is just petty arguing really, we're talking less than half a foot size, it just gives John that slight better stance in terms of holding ground than N6. That slight size difference doesn't mean N6 is going to be hitting any faster; if anything, John has the armour more likely to react to his actions quicker, and with more power.


Experience in fighting elephants won't mean much when a crocodile attacks.
...wat

Master Chief has fought Insurrectionists, Elites, ODSTs, Brutes, Grunts, Hunters, Flood, Jackals, Sentinels, you name it. And he's fought them for longer. That's just a sure-fire advantage.


Luck isn't a measurable point; it hardly counts here. I could just as easily say "Six dodges all of John's punches because he's lucky".

And neither is "talent", but we all know that Linda the Spartan-II had an amazing talent for sniping; we still count that when we compare her as a Sniper to other Spartans. Luck can be considered a factor, it is stated throughout the Halo novels as an actual quality of John. And N6 is not known for his luck, John is, so no, that example won't work.

Stature, again, makes him easier to hit.

Sleeker armor will give Six something pretty to look at while they're beating each other up.

...the stature thing? Refer back to the start of this post.


Smaller size, more mobile because of smaller size, skilled to the point that he's considered as good as a Spartan-II and having a decade to back him up, whereas John has three decades but was pretty much average in terms of Spartan-II's.

Smaller size is only going to work against him in most situations due to being overwhelmed, he isn't any more mobile, he's in an inferior suit which is slower and less well protected AND easier to grapple, he's got less combat experience.

There is simply nothing to back up N6 winning...


MK. VI armor isn't any faster or stronger than MK. V. The only differences are slightly better shielding, greater motion tracker, maybe slightly more flexibility, and a few others that are not strength, speed, or reflex time.

"Talent" can be relied upon; "luck" cannot. If I can reliably land six bullets with a revolver, that's talent. If I somehow manage to land six shots in the first time I've ever held a revolver, that's luck. It isn't counted in a debate because it isn't a tangible trait. You can measure talent. You can't measure luck.

If Spartan-III's are weaker than Spartan-II's, it isn't by much, considering both can break shields quite easily. And remember, Brutes are stronger than Spartan-II's, and yet they're still beaten in hand-to-hand combat all the time.

John's fought everything seen so far in the Haloverse, yes, but he's never openly fought another Spartan to the death. Does he now how Six fights? Does Six know how Chief fights?

There may be several factors in John's favor, but there's certainly no guarantee he'd win.

The Mk. VI suit is still going to offer more protection on a sleeker profile, it's win-win.

Luck is a trait that should be considered. It's not a game changer but John is consistently lucky, part of the reason why Dr. Halsey chose him.

That slight strength advantage for John, is still an advantage. And Brutes do not get beaten all the time in CQC; for gameplay they're fairly easy, but in the novels, one Spartan is killed by Brutes and John himself is nearly killed in CQC with one, he only survives by having a spare frag grenade.

The simple fact is that there are things in John's favour, and none in Noble Six's favour. John is a lot more likely to win.

  • 02.20.2012 1:30 PM PDT

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John, no question.

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Posted by: CoolCJ24
The Mk. VI suit is still going to offer more protection on a sleeker profile, it's win-win.

Luck is a trait that should be considered. It's not a game changer but John is consistently lucky, part of the reason why Dr. Halsey chose him.

That slight strength advantage for John, is still an advantage. And Brutes do not get beaten all the time in CQC; for gameplay they're fairly easy, but in the novels, one Spartan is killed by Brutes and John himself is nearly killed in CQC with one, he only survives by having a spare frag grenade.

The simple fact is that there are things in John's favour, and none in Noble Six's favour. John is a lot more likely to win.


Fine, it'll offer more protection. Not much more, but more nonetheless.

Let me put it like this. In Halo, "luck" is synonymous with "plot magic". Whenever you needed something improbable done? Fine, John's luck got him through! Basically it's like a sort of Deus ex Machina thing. It doesn't count here.

John was mortally wounded in that case, and had been fighting for days. He'd have had a much easier time if he had just started fighting.

[Edited on 02.20.2012 1:43 PM PST]

  • 02.20.2012 1:42 PM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: And Im Here Too
Posted by: CoolCJ24
The Mk. VI suit is still going to offer more protection on a sleeker profile, it's win-win.

Luck is a trait that should be considered. It's not a game changer but John is consistently lucky, part of the reason why Dr. Halsey chose him.

That slight strength advantage for John, is still an advantage. And Brutes do not get beaten all the time in CQC; for gameplay they're fairly easy, but in the novels, one Spartan is killed by Brutes and John himself is nearly killed in CQC with one, he only survives by having a spare frag grenade.

The simple fact is that there are things in John's favour, and none in Noble Six's favour. John is a lot more likely to win.


Fine, it'll offer more protection. Not much more, but more nonetheless.

Let me put it like this. In Halo, "luck" is synonymous with "plot magic". Whenever you needed something improbable done? Fine, John's luck got him through! Basically it's like a sort of Deus ex Machina thing. It doesn't count here.

John was mortally wounded in that case, and had been fighting for days. He'd have had a much easier time if he had just started fighting.

Regardless of whether we consider consistent luck a trait or "plot magic", John still has advantages where N6 has none.

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Posted by: CoolCJ24

Posted by: And Im Here Too
Posted by: CoolCJ24
The Mk. VI suit is still going to offer more protection on a sleeker profile, it's win-win.

Luck is a trait that should be considered. It's not a game changer but John is consistently lucky, part of the reason why Dr. Halsey chose him.

That slight strength advantage for John, is still an advantage. And Brutes do not get beaten all the time in CQC; for gameplay they're fairly easy, but in the novels, one Spartan is killed by Brutes and John himself is nearly killed in CQC with one, he only survives by having a spare frag grenade.

The simple fact is that there are things in John's favour, and none in Noble Six's favour. John is a lot more likely to win.


Fine, it'll offer more protection. Not much more, but more nonetheless.

Let me put it like this. In Halo, "luck" is synonymous with "plot magic". Whenever you needed something improbable done? Fine, John's luck got him through! Basically it's like a sort of Deus ex Machina thing. It doesn't count here.

John was mortally wounded in that case, and had been fighting for days. He'd have had a much easier time if he had just started fighting.

Regardless of whether we consider consistent luck a trait or "plot magic", John still has advantages where N6 has none.


We can agree on that much, yes.

[Edited on 02.20.2012 1:53 PM PST]

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