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Subject: 343GS Discussion <<PRIMORDIUM SPOILERS>>

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Okay, so I just read primordium, and - spoiler alert! - the UNSC team recovered a "duplicate" of 343GS, which is revealed to be Chakas. Questions:
1. Why is there a "duplicate" of 343GS? Or is this "duplicate" actually the monitor of Installation 07?
2. How did the UNSC team find this "duplicate"?
Primordium completely changes everything about the Halo Universe.

  • 02.21.2012 2:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: Jump Into Hell
Okay, so I just read primordium, and - spoiler alert! - the UNSC team recovered a "duplicate" of 343GS, which is revealed to be Chakas. Questions:
1. Why is there a "duplicate" of 343GS? Or is this "duplicate" actually the monitor of Installation 07?
2. How did the UNSC team find this "duplicate"?
Primordium completely changes everything about the Halo Universe.


Name one Halo novel that didn't change any part of the Halo lore.

  • 02.21.2012 3:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: Jump Into Hell
Okay, so I just read primordium, and - spoiler alert! - the UNSC team recovered a "duplicate" of 343GS, which is revealed to be Chakas. Questions:
1. Why is there a "duplicate" of 343GS? Or is this "duplicate" actually the monitor of Installation 07?
2. How did the UNSC team find this "duplicate"?
Primordium completely changes everything about the Halo Universe.


Name one Halo novel that didn't change any part of the Halo lore.

  • 02.21.2012 3:49 AM PDT

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I was hoping to see some constructive discussion here...

  • 02.21.2012 4:21 AM PDT

-BLAM!-

It's not a duplicate, each installation has one monitor AI but the floating eyeball is technically their body. So in halo 3 you destroy one of sparks' bodies, you don't actually kill the AI. I think 343 found the UNSC not the other way round but there are rumors that ONI have people near the galactic rim, possibly looking for Chief but more likely looking for tech. Side note, 04-343 guilty sparks is the monitor of installation 04

[Edited on 02.21.2012 4:55 AM PST]

  • 02.21.2012 4:49 AM PDT

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Okay... where did it say that the UNSC is at the galactic rim? Is it referenced it Cole protocol cos thats the only halo book I didn't read...

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Posted by: Jump Into Hell
Okay... where did it say that the UNSC is at the galactic rim? Is it referenced it Cole protocol cos thats the only halo book I didn't read...


Probably in Primordium or Glasslands. In any case, it's far, far away.

Do note that the people who found 343GS were probably ONI, so their work is largely unknown.

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It was clearly stated in the book that ONI dubbed the monitor 343GS because they didn't want to admit there were more monitors (For whatever reason since it isn't like they can destroy worlds).

Chakas is Chakas; It was also clearly stated in the novel that he was broken up in Fragments, One of them being 343GS which he commented on not knowing what actions he had done. Then after hacking the ship he states how "He" has defended halo several times over and that we already knew that. In which he was talking about 343.

Honestly not hard to get if you actually read the passages in the novel.

  • 02.21.2012 6:56 AM PDT

-BLAM!-

I'm not sure it could just be a rumor

  • 02.21.2012 7:16 AM PDT

-BLAM!-

I think that one of the teams listening to Chakas (i think it was ONI) knew more then they were letting on.
Also in the games we were told the location of the other Halos was unknown but if they know where installation 07 is then they might know where they all are.
And if there were 12 Halos before why were only seven remade/repaired?
Last point does anyone know which ark was destroyed (the lesser ark or the greater ark) and if "the ark", (which ever one that is) is called installations 00 what is the other ark called.

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  • 02.21.2012 7:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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"I have rarely been able to remember
which of my fragmented selves has performed any particular action.
I see in your records that one of me caused you considerable
difficulty and then, assisted you! How like us. But never did that
monitor reveal its origins, or the motives behind its perverse
behaviors.
Perhaps now you can guess.
As Reclaimer, it is your privilege to shrive me again not of the
flesh, long since turned to dust, but of my rich confusion of sins."


Chakas is Chakas.

This is post-covenant war and probably during 2559 since a monitor was kind on kholos. We know from Glasslands ONI has been finding the halo rings.

We destroyed the lesser ark, It Greater ark was clearly detailed in the book.

you really need to just re-read it.

  • 02.21.2012 7:31 AM PDT

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Damn, I do need to reread it. Rush-reading through the book was not a good idea after all.

  • 02.22.2012 7:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: Jump Into Hell
Damn, I do need to reread it. Rush-reading through the book was not a good idea after all.


Never rush-read a book. Ever. If you aren't willing to put time into reading it properly then why did you get it in the first place?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Why the hell would you speed read one of the most confusing books in sc-fi history?

  • 02.22.2012 10:24 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101



It was clearly stated in the book that ONI dubbed the monitor 343GS because they didn't want to admit there were more monitors (For whatever reason since it isn't like they can destroy worlds).



Pretty sure it was because of vocalization pattern recognition. And Chakas admitting he is, in part, Spark.

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Posted by: grey101



It was clearly stated in the book that ONI dubbed the monitor 343GS because they didn't want to admit there were more monitors (For whatever reason since it isn't like they can destroy worlds).



Pretty sure it was because of vocalization pattern recognition. And Chakas admitting he is, in part, Spark.

The monitor may merely sound like Spark. I wouldn't put it out of the question that is only another monitor that sounded like Spark. Both are based off Chakas after all.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: grey101



It was clearly stated in the book that ONI dubbed the monitor 343GS because they didn't want to admit there were more monitors (For whatever reason since it isn't like they can destroy worlds).



Pretty sure it was because of vocalization pattern recognition. And Chakas admitting he is, in part, Spark.




SCIENCE TEAM LEADER: "We'll need a tentative designator for the source. What are we calling it?"

ONI COMMANDER: "We still haven't confirmed any connection between this one and"

SCIENCE TEAM LEADER: "I said 'tentative.'"

ONI COMMANDER: "No way in hell I'm going to confirm this is the same as the monitor found defending Installation 04."

STRATEGY TEAM LEADER: "That's our working hypothesis. Should raise some eyebrows at High Command, and we need that sort of boost right now."

SCIENCE TEAM SENIOR TECH LIEUTANANT: "Sir, am I being ordered to confirm that this is"

ONI COMMANDER: "How many of these devious bastards are out there, anyway?"

STRATEGY TEAM LEADER: "One per Halo, so far. As for this particular monitorI certainly hope it's the last. Yes! So designate. But bury it somewhere in the political report. Give us all some cover in case it blows up in our faces."



Tentative

Not certain or fixed; provisional: "a tentative conclusion".
Done without confidence; hesitant: "tentative steps".

Um, chakas is admitting that there are fragments of him that act on their own. Did you honestly read what i posted and then say "Chakas is admitting he is 343"?

Chakas is saying 343 is him.

  • 02.22.2012 1:26 PM PDT