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Subject: Other Human Empire's Among the Stars?
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Here I will reveal a revelation that has occurred to me within the last few weeks. The Best thing about this revelation is that it is virtually fool proof as I have found no flaws in it so it is up to 343 to take this route as they wish. I will open with the end.

Page 485 of Halo evolutions states that there were rumors of independent human Forces fighting The Covenant near the Sagittarius side of the Orion arm. It was then stated that the rebel forces that supported cole at his last stand (In which the Flagship survived the same maneuver he pulled) had new warships in their Fleet. I will not force the Connection to the Theory but this is indeed relevant if not important. You can see a map Here



Page 19 in cryptum states

"The centers of human civilization had been dismantled and the humans
themselves devolved and shattered into many forms,"

"she had moved the last humans there."


Followed by

Page 263 in cryptum states

"Specimens were collected from Erde-Tyrene decades before you went there."

All in All the Last Humans were moved to Erda, which we know as the Human From Charum Hakkor.

Now Lets go to Primordium which I do not have in proper Text format so the page numbers are off.



" As part of the Council's agreement, the Librarian was given space on several of the Master Builder's installations. Humans were brought to this oneover one hundred and twenty varieties, many hundreds of thousands of individuals. Others were placed on the great Arks where Halos are built and restored. All were designated as reserve populations, not to be tampered with. But the population of imprinted humans on Erde-Tyrene were not made part of that plan. No humans from your planet were brought here until recently."


Notice how it said Centers were dismantled not just Charum Hakkor. We know From Forencho's Statements that humanity had over 20,000 worlds. Genemender confirms that There were other worlds with humans on them and some were even brought to the Arks. Humans From Erda were The last tho be cataloged and only recently were they moved to 07.




Forthencho comments with

"Not even the Librarian would risk my presence on such a weapon!"

Followed by Genemender stating

"In contradiction to specific instructions from both the Librarian and the Council, beginning just over a century ago, humans from the Librarian's special population were transported here from Erde-Tyrene. New and isolated communities were created."

The Humans from Erda were not permitted to Go to the Halo's and possibly even the ark due to a chance that the Gea would activate and the Humans would take control of the installations. But remember that I have already shown Other humans From other worlds were long taken to said installations.

"There was a good reason humans from Erde-Tyrene were not brought to the Halo installations. They contain the memories and life experiences of ancient warriors. That makes them dangerous, and on such a weapon as this"

See?

"Ironically, it was Erde-Tyrene that fell first, a tremendous loss both in strategy and morale, for it was the most likely to have been the birth-planet of all humans. We had lost those records and memories during the dark ages, before we encountered the Forerunners, but our own historians, scientists, and archaeologists had done their work, analyzed the makeup and physiology of the humans spread across that sector of the rim and inward, and decided Erda was the genetic focus of all human activitythe planetary navel of our races.

Completing that survey, that analysis, encouraged her to believe she completely understood human psychology and culture. Yprin had advanced to Political and Morale Commander of all human forces.

I disagreed with that advancement, her rise to power. I had severe doubts that Erda was our planet of origin. Other worlds in other systems seemed more likely. I had been to many of them and had viewed their ancient ruins.

And I had seen evidence that Forerunners had also visited these worlds, were also interested in human origins not just the Librarian and her Lifeworkers, but the Didact himself.



Now This is Where Forencho Has Severe Doubts about Erda being Our homeworld and for such Reasons it makes sense. Humans would have evolved Far, Far earlier than we could have imagined if they were from Erda. Not to mention since It is only 60 Light years from the Orion Complex they surly would have Faced Forerunners Far Earlier also.

"The final Forerunner assault was staged from seven portals opened at one-hour intervals to disgorge the massive fleet of the Didact himself, along with his finest commanders, many of them veterans of the battles that had been fought from our colony worlds along the outer rim to Erde-Tyrene itself."

Now I like this line because it gives us a view of their Empire Which we know consists of 20,000 worlds and that they were moving outward along the rim (as stated).


"We will spread out to the fleets and launch an attack against the heart of Forerunner civilization, in the Orion complex. Never in all our battles did we come within fifteen thousand light-years of that prize!"


That Statement goes with what I was saying Earlier about Erda Being far too close to the forerunners though that is not the focus of this Theory.

So we know that Humanities Empire was 20,000 worlds and was at least 15,000 lights years away from the orion complex.

"I last observed the Didact in company with the Librarian on the Ark. They were walking on a high ribbon over the greatest biological preserve I had yet seen dwarfing any such on the wheel. Thousands of kilometers of varied habitats, containing the accumulated life stores of well over a thousand worlds and still, in the time remaining, she was planning to gather more.

That was also the last time I saw Vinnevra. She had become part of the Librarian's core population of humans, minus, of course, the representatives from Earth from Erde-Tyrene, I mean."



That Again Shows that humans were Transported to The Ark minus the ones from Erda and since it is a Core population it must be massive.

[Edited on 02.21.2012 6:53 AM PST]

  • 02.21.2012 6:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Now lets talk.



The Reason I bring this and any of this up is because I think that their might be another human Empire out there. We know that Every single life form that was cataloged was re-seeded after the Array fired. Which means they were taken from the installations and put back on their homeworlds. Since the Human from Earth weren't allowed access to the Ark until the End (Terminals most likely talking about modern humans) That means all those Other humans were placed on other planets.

From what I have been able to Gather the Sagittarius Arm is roughly 17,000 Light years away from our Orion Spur. Ancient Man's Empire was stated to be atleast 15,000 Light years So those humans would be Pretty Far off and in their native territory post-firing. That distance seem pretty far for resettlement,with the UNSC traveling at roughly 2 light years a day would never be able to reach that Pre-forerunner tech installments.


I also state that there are Other Humans settled on Other worlds far distant from Earth. Now I made a Link with Cole's story out of sheer human thinking though I don't honestly think the rebels and Cole joined up with other human Forces rather than the Rebels Relocating Elsewhere. But it makes you wonder if the covenant were fighting two fronts no? It is odd as they were able to Crank out hundreds of ships but that capacity seemed the diminish over the Years. That connection is mostly food for though. But I am stating that there is If not several Human Empires out there than the Erda- Earth population.

Same for the Homeworld Connections. Erda probably isn't our homeworld and what if we are the "Other" Humans? What if the "True" humans were resettled on our true homeworld by sheer irony? That makes you wonder what is and isn't human also.



The final Thing i wish to talk is What it is to be Reclaimers though since i feel that is a branch off of this thread you can read it here




*Edit. I have noticed that several times in both primordium and Cryptum Both the forerunners and Forthencho talk about how the human empire was completely Dismantled and traces of humanity were removed from the galaxy. Yet we have Heian a planet in which the ruins are in perfect shape. It couldn't have been involved with the flood war since those planets were Razed to the bedrock or damaged massively. And seeing how the forerunners dismantled everything else..

[Edited on 02.21.2012 6:48 AM PST]

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Isn't Eden (Earth) where the Librarian thought was the perfect place to restart? (or something slong those lines, I'm too tired to think properly now)

  • 02.21.2012 6:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

You need to read the thread. Just go to sleep and come back when you are awake, this thread isn't going anywhere.

  • 02.21.2012 6:59 AM PDT

I like it. It makes me wonder, maybe it wasn't just our random slip space jumps that made it seem like we had no clear retreat plan, maybe it was also multiple human empires retreating in multiple directions.

  • 02.21.2012 10:20 AM PDT

"I will show you how a true Prussian officer fights!"

"And i will show you where the iron crosses grow..."

- "Cross of Iron"

Good read!

  • 02.21.2012 11:03 AM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

I stand by my original assertion that multiple empires in the present day lessens the effect of the war.

  • 02.21.2012 1:02 PM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

Just a brainwave - remember that concept art trailer? There was a picture that looked like some Marines witht the Chief; it's the Primordium cover now. What if they weren't Marines, but rather a seperate human empire that had developed on wherever this place is? (Your quote does mention how some varieties of human were placed on other Forerunner installations).

I know the concept art isn't final, but it still represents what lines they were thinking along...

  • 02.21.2012 1:09 PM PDT

"At the end of this day one shall stand, one shall fall"

So, Death or Bungie?

Must.. Say.. quote!

"I am Opyimus Prime, and I send this message to any surviving Autobots taking refuge among the stars. We are here, we are waiting.."

OT: Thats really cool, great work.

[Edited on 02.21.2012 1:17 PM PST]

  • 02.21.2012 1:17 PM PDT

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A question what about any survivors of the former human empire, those the escaped, and went into hiding is there a likely possiblity that they could also exist, somewhere far out, from the reaches of the galaxy, or at the very tip. Remember the halos could and maybe may have missed the very edges of the galaxy and this may be where the last of the former empire sought refuge.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: risay_117
A question what about any survivors of the former human empire, those the escaped, and went into hiding is there a likely possiblity that they could also exist, somewhere far out, from the reaches of the galaxy, or at the very tip. Remember the halos could and maybe may have missed the very edges of the galaxy and this may be where the last of the former empire sought refuge.


Well the Halo affect goes beyound the galaxy slightly hence why the Ark is so far from the galazy instead of being directly at the edge.

And i am saying that the reseeded humans are out somewhere not the original empire. Notice how Chakas and Forthencho said True reclaimer in primordium? every human would be a reclaimer but the true ones would be from earth.


And mach, Everything isn't about the war and that part about the fronts was just hypothetical and not the main focus.

  • 02.21.2012 4:23 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

I really like this idea.

If this is true then there will be undoubtely big conflicts between the Human empires.
Different culture, political systems,...

We humans just love to fight with eachother.

  • 02.21.2012 4:28 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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Hey, grey is back.

OT: Interesting theory. I can't believe this thought never crossed my mind.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I was banned due to my own mistake of forgetting what is allowed on this site (too much time in the flood).

I never left and i won't leave long as halo is on this site.

and thank you and other comments? i have another idea but people might not like the implications of it.. i don't.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

People need to read the whole thing...

I am talking about the other humans the librarian got from other worlds and put on other installations.

[Edited on 02.21.2012 5:22 PM PST]

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