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Subject: Why Was the Truth and Reconcilliation So Underequipped?

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Posted by: snip3r dud33
Honestly, this is a good cover up for all the idiots who won't know its a cover up .

It appears that the Truth and Reconciliation was massively, almost laughably underequipped when compared to other CCS-Battlecruisers.

Examples:

---Primitive Shade Turrets. The gunner is completely exposed, and the shielding is not generated as it is in the First Battle of Earth, and the other, full-frontal protection that is offered by the ones used in the Battle of Reach, the Second Battle of Earth, and the Battle of the Ark.

---Lack of Phantoms. The Truth and Reconciliation was a Battlecruiser that followed the Pillar of Autumn from Reach to Alpha Halo. Since it was (presumably) involved in battles on Reach, why does its primary troop-delivery system consist merely of Spirits?

---Lack of Drop Pods. See Above.

---Lack of Better/Different Vehicles. I can forgive the lack of Seraphs, as one could argue that it was primarily an in-atmosphere Battlecruiser. What is not excusable is the lack of Scarabs, Revenants, Specters, or even Shadows. If it was an in-atmosphere Battlecruiser, one would expect it to harbor more than just Banshees, Wraiths, and Ghosts.

---Overall Weakness. The Truth and Reconciliation, along with at least 3 other Covenant battleships, were taken out or damaged by The Pillar of Autumn. How can one ship wound so many others by itself?

In conclusion, the Truth and Reconciliation seems massively underequipped when compared to its brethren at other Battles of the Human-Covenant War. Hopefully Bungie can shed some canonwise light on this other than "It's Halo CE, and we didn't have everything we had now back then."

  • 02.21.2012 3:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: NinStarRune
"It's Halo CE, and we didn't have everything we had now back then."

Well, you kind of answered your own question. I'm sure if they knew what Halo would become they would have gone a little deeper with their canon with the Seraphs, Phantoms, drop pods, Scarabs, etc., etc. Other that Microsoft buying Bungie, they still had no indication that this game would succeed and I'm sure they didn't want to overdo it.

As for the Overall Weakness question, the answer is Cortana. The Covenant were always poor at copying A.I. and hopeless at making their own. Mix that with being less than stellar at tactics compared to humans, let alone a smart A.I., well you get your result.

[Edited on 02.21.2012 4:16 PM PST]

  • 02.21.2012 4:12 PM PDT

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Yeah you answered your own question there; the reason why those extra elements and vehicles weren't present was that they hadn't been imagined at that point. Just in the same sense that the BR and Spartan Laser weren't part of the PoA's weapon arsenal.

  • 02.21.2012 5:04 PM PDT

The same can be asked of the Pillar of Autumn. They had the older D77-TC Pelican's and not the 'Heavies' that were used in 3. They also didn't have BR'S, Gauss Hogs, Rocket Hogs, Troop Hogs, or Mongooses (Mongeese?lol). No Hornets either. I think this is just one of those questions that can be answered with the limitations of game mechanics and not with a cononical answer.

  • 02.21.2012 7:19 PM PDT

Hey, now!

This is officially either the greatest or worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. I'm going with the former.

Maybe they were there and you just didn't see them?

Realistically though, perhaps they dropped off their complement of Scarabs at Reach, their Phantoms were destroyed, etc.

  • 02.21.2012 7:25 PM PDT


Posted by: Sigma617
You mentioned yourself that the Truth and Reconciliation was damaged above the Ring.

Perhaps, since she was damaged, the Covenant Fleet command decided it was a good idea to re-allocate her most valuable assets elsewhere in the fleet, until she was fully operational. For example, in Keyes, we saw that the TaR's engine was heavily damaged. Whether that is because of the Flood, or a different assault is yet to be known. Yet, if the Flood was trying to take the ship, why would they damage the engines so extensively? It is reasonable to assume the cruiser was damaged in this matter before the Flood assumed control of it.

That explains the lack of specialized defensive personnel during the first incursion and the relative poor defense of the craft in the first place.


Um... IIRC, that ship is not the true and reconciliation.

Because in the Flood, when the marines arrive, the TaR is in nearly full operational state, and the ship in Keyes was very, very fare from it.

The TaR also had a light flood infestation, the ship in Keyes had a heavy one (nor was any flood mass described in the command center, which is where Keyes was).

  • 02.21.2012 10:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: snip3r dud33
Honestly, this is a good cover up for all the idiots who won't know its a cover up .


Posted by: Sigma617

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Sigma617
You mentioned yourself that the Truth and Reconciliation was damaged above the Ring.

Perhaps, since she was damaged, the Covenant Fleet command decided it was a good idea to re-allocate her most valuable assets elsewhere in the fleet, until she was fully operational. For example, in Keyes, we saw that the TaR's engine was heavily damaged. Whether that is because of the Flood, or a different assault is yet to be known. Yet, if the Flood was trying to take the ship, why would they damage the engines so extensively? It is reasonable to assume the cruiser was damaged in this matter before the Flood assumed control of it.

That explains the lack of specialized defensive personnel during the first incursion and the relative poor defense of the craft in the first place.


Um... IIRC, that ship is not the true and reconciliation.

Because in the Flood, when the marines arrive, the TaR is in nearly full operational state, and the ship in Keyes was very, very fare from it.

The TaR also had a light flood infestation, the ship in Keyes had a heavy one (nor was any flood mass described in the command center, which is where Keyes was).


Hmmm... perhaps you have a point. In addition to no biomass being in the command center, this the TaR also didn't have a gaping hole in it's flight deck.

However, I find it strange that the Reconciliation also experienced a Flood infestation. As terrified as the Covenant were about the Flood, I doubt they let the Flood capture two ships, no matter the level of contact. If I remember correctly, they evacuated all other ships off the surface of the Ring at that point and the Keyes cruiser was the sole straggler. Additionally, it makes sense tactically for the Marines to attack said craft once a Spartan rampaged through it not once, but twice therefore reducing the Hostiles aboard.

In my opinion, it shouldn't be too far fetched to assume those two ships are one in the same. The least you can do DaeFaron, is not to rule it out.


I'd always assumed (as the strategy guide as well as HaloNation say so) that the ship was indeed the Truth and Reconciliation.
"It is more than likely that the Covenant managed to repair the controls for the Truth and Reconciliation after they were disabled by Cortana due to the fact that the ship is in a completely different location. In addition, the ship could have been moved to an area near a Flood containment facility. Thus, explaining how the ship became once again stationary under extensive damage."

  • 02.22.2012 8:08 AM PDT

Again I ask how they managed to fix the extensive, and MAJOR damage to the ship as well as deal with the heavy flood infestation before the marines even attacked in the Flood?

Cause, the ship in Keyes I remember was in no way fit to even lift off. As well as the heavy flood infestation and that the marines found A: a prophet (who would've been killed in that ship as they describe it as being completely overrun) and b: the protogravemind form with Keyes' corpse.

And when the marines attacked, the TaR was ready to go.

[Edited on 02.22.2012 8:30 AM PST]

  • 02.22.2012 8:22 AM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

This is just a stupid question to ask. You answered yourself.

  • 02.22.2012 9:16 AM PDT


Posted by: Sigma617

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Again I ask how they managed to fix the extensive, and MAJOR damage to the ship as well as deal with the heavy flood infestation before the marines even attacked in the Flood?

Cause, the ship in Keyes I remember was in no way fit to even lift off. As well as the heavy flood infestation and that the marines found A: a prophet (who would've been killed in that ship as they describe it as being completely overrun) and b: the protogravemind form with Keyes' corpse.

And when the marines attacked, the TaR was ready to go.


Simple. As Chief left this "Mystery" cruiser, the strike team arrived to cleanse it. These soldiers cleared some of the ship while a Huragok contingent repaired the most extensive damage. a few hours later, the Marines attacked and took the ship.

The pieces mesh together with some creative thinking.


Engineers can do wonders, but I doubt they'd fix the major hull breaches and heavy damage all over the ship that quickly.

As well as the fact why would the strike team bring a prophet with them?

Cause, As I can tell, the strike team was the covenant forces fought in the level itself.

  • 02.22.2012 10:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

It is generally assumed that most covenant fleets and or ships have a prophet within them.

  • 02.22.2012 10:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: snip3r dud33
Honestly, this is a good cover up for all the idiots who won't know its a cover up .


Posted by: grey101
It is generally assumed that most covenant fleets and or ships have a prophet within them.


Minor Prophets.

  • 02.22.2012 11:12 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
It is generally assumed that most covenant fleets and or ships have a prophet within them.


Yeah, but do you honestly think a prophet would have survived in the CSS class ship in the level Keyes? I can't see it.

  • 02.22.2012 11:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: snip3r dud33
Honestly, this is a good cover up for all the idiots who won't know its a cover up .


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: grey101
It is generally assumed that most covenant fleets and or ships have a prophet within them.


Yeah, but do you honestly think a prophet would have survived in the CSS class ship in the level Keyes? I can't see it.


Nor do I, but doesn't mean that there wasn't one on the Truth and Reconciliation to begin with.

  • 02.22.2012 12:22 PM PDT

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Hear the word of Pharaoh. Build unto me a statue of ridiculous proportion. One billion cubits in height......that I might be remembered for all eternity!

And be quick about it!

The Shade Turrets in Halo CE were the most powerful ones. Halo 3 Shade Turrets were utterly useless.

  • 02.22.2012 6:24 PM PDT