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Subject: reach taken over and blanced by whiners now....
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OP, and the posters supporting him, would get destroyed in a game of Halo CE or Halo 2

i play halo PC and Custom edition and i do quite well. i dont have halo 2 vista cause the port is trash. i played halo 2 in its prime btw. i was you know 14 at the time so i wasnt that good

How many times is a ghost coming at and your first thought

I wish I could turn invincible right now because jumping over it is too hard.

Armor Lock is trash.

Jetpack is trash.


Armor abilities are trash.

Bloom is trash

  • 02.22.2012 10:55 AM PDT
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GrownPrism is NOT my gt. Happened when signing into my xbox live account. My real gt is here:

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/Default.aspx?player=SYNTHES lS&sg=0


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Posted by: Mikelp_1
Yes we understand. The game is terribad now because it is no longer able to support players without thumbs.

are you defending the herp derp nade spammers? AL didnt let em have their easy kills and they cried like the world ended tomorow.....


You mean the six second pause button? Yeah, I felt that it slowed down gameplay to.

mr. herp derp nade spammer expecting cheap easy kills lol


Weird considering nades aren't even in my top 5 tools of destruction.

[Edited on 02.22.2012 10:57 AM PST]

  • 02.22.2012 10:56 AM PDT


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Posted by: Mikelp_1
Yes we understand. The game is terribad now because it is no longer able to support players without thumbs.

are you defending the herp derp nade spammers? AL didnt let em have their easy kills and they cried like the world ended tomorow.....


Are you defending the herp derp Armor Lock? The herp derp sword block? The herp derp bloom? The herp derp melee system?

The majority of the added mechanics that made Reach the worst Halo game, statistically, were the ones that came when Bungie started catering to complete casuals (aka the "whiners" during Halo 2 and 3).

it did what it was supposed to. it should have lasted 4 sec and used less per charge. so what if i could bxr and quad shot in h2?

  • 02.22.2012 10:56 AM PDT


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Posted by: bashmeister2

Posted by: RC Clone
OP, and the posters supporting him, would get destroyed in a game of Halo CE or Halo 2

i play halo PC and Custom edition and i do quite well. i dont have halo 2 vista cause the port is trash. i played halo 2 in its prime btw. i was you know 14 at the time so i wasnt that good

How many times is a ghost coming at and your first thought

I wish I could turn invincible right now because jumping over it is too hard.

Armor Lock is trash.

Jetpack is trash.


Armor abilities are trash.

Bloom is trash

CE is a comp different game. if i see a ghost coming at me im either insta tapped dead (CE splattering) or i jump over. it aint hard. but AL emps it and i board it or destroy it.
also mashing the trigger as fast as possible is skill right? so using a turbo controller in cod is legit?

[Edited on 02.22.2012 10:59 AM PST]

  • 02.22.2012 10:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
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Which is why armor lock is trash

  • 02.22.2012 10:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: xmat123x
ooooooo over 1.0.

Adapt

sorry bf3 is alot better than this trash. dice doesnt change its game mechanics majorly in a patch.

USAS/MK3A1+Frag, IRNV, Famas/F2000+Foregrip, MAV Roadkills, Tungusta, Metro Conquest.
Suuuuuuuuuuuure...

TU Reach isn't perfect, but it is the best we could get with this POS game Bungie gave us.

  • 02.22.2012 11:00 AM PDT


Posted by: RC Clone
Which is why armor lock is trash

oh noes i cant vehicle whore when AL is equiped by the opposing player :O what shall you do

  • 02.22.2012 11:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: RC Clone

Posted by: bashmeister2

Posted by: RC Clone
OP, and the posters supporting him, would get destroyed in a game of Halo CE or Halo 2

i play halo PC and Custom edition and i do quite well. i dont have halo 2 vista cause the port is trash. i played halo 2 in its prime btw. i was you know 14 at the time so i wasnt that good

How many times is a ghost coming at and your first thought

I wish I could turn invincible right now because jumping over it is too hard.

Armor Lock is trash.

Jetpack is trash.


Armor abilities are trash.

Bloom is trash

CE is a comp different game. if i see a ghost coming at me im either insta tapped dead (CE splattering) or i jump over. it aint hard. but AL emps it and i board it or destroy it.
also mashing the trigger as fast as possible is skill right? so using a turbo controller in cod is legit?
Landing all those shots is skill. Bloomless DMR is harder to aim than the Bloomy DMR. You have a smaller reticule and time between shots. Vanilla DMR let you take a second between each shot to line it up again(lol), or let you just roll the dice for a faster kill. How is random skill?

  • 02.22.2012 11:03 AM PDT


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Posted by: xmat123x
ooooooo over 1.0.

Adapt

sorry bf3 is alot better than this trash. dice doesnt change its game mechanics majorly in a patch.

USAS/MK3A1+Frag, IRNV, Famas/F2000+Foregrip, MAV Roadkills, Tungusta, Metro Conquest.
Suuuuuuuuuuuure...

TU Reach isn't perfect, but it is the best we could get with this POS game Bungie gave us.

i only take out my usas+frag when others do. i use a foregrip for all my ARs and LMGs? so what. and i hate mav roadkillers i use em to spot. and metro is awesome bravo brawl :)

  • 02.22.2012 11:03 AM PDT


Posted by: Sitri

Posted by: bashmeister2

Posted by: RC Clone

Posted by: bashmeister2

Posted by: RC Clone
OP, and the posters supporting him, would get destroyed in a game of Halo CE or Halo 2

i play halo PC and Custom edition and i do quite well. i dont have halo 2 vista cause the port is trash. i played halo 2 in its prime btw. i was you know 14 at the time so i wasnt that good

How many times is a ghost coming at and your first thought

I wish I could turn invincible right now because jumping over it is too hard.

Armor Lock is trash.

Jetpack is trash.


Armor abilities are trash.

Bloom is trash

CE is a comp different game. if i see a ghost coming at me im either insta tapped dead (CE splattering) or i jump over. it aint hard. but AL emps it and i board it or destroy it.
also mashing the trigger as fast as possible is skill right? so using a turbo controller in cod is legit?
Landing all those shots is skill. Bloomless DMR is harder to aim than the Bloomy DMR. You have a smaller reticule and time between shots. Vanilla DMR let you take a second between each shot to line it up again(lol), or let you just roll the dice for a faster kill. How is random skill?

i liked having to time my shots, im sorry spamming was an option for you

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Posted by: RC Clone
Which is why armor lock is trash

oh noes i cant vehicle whore when AL is equiped by the opposing player :O what shall you do
Vehicles die quickly to DMR/Sniper fire. There are so many Anti-vehicle tools in this game, AL is almost redundant. The only playlist it is warranted is in BTB.

  • 02.22.2012 11:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

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Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

I could literally type up a couple thousand word essay in this thread about why everything you have said so far is retarded and why the base Reach experience is the worst Halo experience to date, but

and that is but in capital as in BUT

the second I finish that I know the first response out of you will be

lol. I'm not reading all that. Come back with evidence.


So in summary you are an idiot.

I could type it up anyway if you would like to see the depth of your ignorance.

  • 02.22.2012 11:11 AM PDT


Posted by: RC Clone
I could literally type up a couple thousand word essay in this thread about why everything you have said so far is retarded and why the base Reach experience is the worst Halo experience to date, but

and that is but in capital as in BUT

the second I finish that I know the first response out of you will be

lol. I'm not reading all that. Come back with evidence.


So in summary you are an idiot.

I could type it up anyway if you would like to see the depth of your ignorance.

so having to time your shots, know when to stike with a sword is bad? or having to think before you use a rocket on a guy is bad?

  • 02.22.2012 11:17 AM PDT


Posted by: bashmeister2
the nade spaming crowd cried so much they got AL nerfed. the people with terribad timing couldnt sword block right....
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  • 02.22.2012 11:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: bashmeister2

Posted by: RC Clone
I could literally type up a couple thousand word essay in this thread about why everything you have said so far is retarded and why the base Reach experience is the worst Halo experience to date, but

and that is but in capital as in BUT

the second I finish that I know the first response out of you will be

lol. I'm not reading all that. Come back with evidence.


So in summary you are an idiot.

I could type it up anyway if you would like to see the depth of your ignorance.

so having to time your shots, know when to stike with a sword is bad? or having to think before you use a rocket on a guy is bad?

No, not at all. That's why Reach looked good on paper.

Is it really skill that I get out-randomed? Or when I randomly get Sword blocked, for using the weapon properly? Or not knowing someone has Armor Lock, because it is a tiny little fanny pack on their back that I can't see unless I am in assassination range.?

  • 02.22.2012 11:27 AM PDT


Posted by: RC Clone
I could literally type up a couple thousand word essay in this thread about why everything you have said so far is retarded and why the base Reach experience is the worst Halo experience to date, but

I could type it up anyway if you would like to see the depth of your ignorance.


Yeah I'm game. Type it up clone. I would be happy to see if you can make an intelligent argument for TU I'm still waiting to hear a good one.

  • 02.22.2012 11:34 AM PDT

Happiness is a warm gun

TU solves so many problems it's retarded there is even a debate about it.

Re: Bleedthrough:
Is it fair for me to get 3 shots on a guy sprinting at me and he's still able to double beatdown me? Resulting in both our deaths.

Is it wrong to reward me for getting consecutive headshots on a sheilded opponent?

Re: TU Bloom:
Is it wrong to want a weapon that reliably shoots straight? Is it wrong to get frustrated at people getting lucky spamming their DMR while I try and pace to ensure my shots are pure?

Re: AL: Is it fair for other players to be able to just pause their battle for a whole 6 seconds when you've been outplayed and dug your own grave?

Should I be able to get stuck by a solid sticky to the face, and just press a button to negate it, possibly even killing the person who threw it?

...

If you answer "Yes" to any of these questions, then you are part of the problem.

  • 02.22.2012 11:35 AM PDT


Posted by: RC Clone
Retards

Assemble.
Lol.. calling all TU trolls.

  • 02.22.2012 11:54 AM PDT

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@OP: Indeed it bloody freaking has. People expect Halo Reach to play like Halo 3. That's like asking Halo 2 to play like Halo CE - It won't happen. The game mechanics are completely different.

  • 02.22.2012 11:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: bashmeister2

Posted by: xmat123x
ooooooo over 1.0.

Adapt

sorry bf3 is alot better than this trash. dice doesnt change its game mechanics majorly in a patch.


Then you need to go and read what the BF3 updates do to the game and how big each update is and lol you have crappy stats in BF3.

[Edited on 02.22.2012 12:06 PM PST]

  • 02.22.2012 12:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: bashmeister2

Posted by: xmat123x
ooooooo over 1.0.

Adapt

sorry bf3 is alot better than this trash. dice doesnt change its game mechanics majorly in a patch.

USAS/MK3A1+Frag, IRNV, Famas/F2000+Foregrip, MAV Roadkills, Tungusta, Metro Conquest.
Suuuuuuuuuuuure...

TU Reach isn't perfect, but it is the best we could get with this POS game Bungie gave us.

i only take out my usas+frag when others do. i use a foregrip for all my ARs and LMGs? so what. and i hate mav roadkillers i use em to spot. and metro is awesome bravo brawl :)
So your argument is "I don't use it, so its fine."?

  • 02.22.2012 12:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
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Posted by: bashmeister2
so having to time your shots, know when to stike with a sword is bad? or having to think before you use a rocket on a guy is bad?

Yes, Yes, Yes

Now there are some far reaching consequences from all of the changes in Reach and completely addressing them would take an essay sized post like the one I mentioned earlier. So far, your over all maturity in your responses leads me to think that taking the time to make such a post would be a complete waste.

Let me give you a taste though to complete my assessment.

so having to time your shots

Yes.

This change to the base workings of Halo gameplay was detrimental to the workings of high skill level gameplay. The most important thing at this level of skill is how fast you can kill an opponent player and how much damage you can avoid taking while doing that.

This means that the most important thing is being able to kill other players as fast as possible while being damaged by them as little as possible.

Why the Pistol and BR were good

These two implements were highly effective at this task of killing other players in a quick manner. From a technical standpoint though as Halo games have progressed the absolute fastest they could kill was made longer and longer.

That is besides the point at the moment though. These weapons have a high accuracy meaning that when you miss a shot this is because

1. You weren't aiming at them.

This is the first most common reason someone misses with the Pistol or BR. Your ability to accurately aim the weapon is just not good enough to hit the enemy. That isn't to say you never hit them, but you are missing when you shouldn't be.

2. They strafed to avoid the shot.

This is the second most common reason for missed shots, but this is only relevant at high skill level gameplay. Explaining strafing and why it is important is beyond the scope of this essay sampler platter so I will leave this section here.

Skill expression through the Pistol and BR

These weapons and their effectiveness in the right hands made for extremely controlled and skillful gameplay. When a player was better than another player they would win in most situations when all other factors are equal because the weapon in their hands is consistent and reliable in it's ability to kill other players. Consistency and Reliablity are important for these weapons because it means that when two players face off against each other, it is the more skilled player that wins a duel.

The Pistol and BR were able to fulfill this role handily. High skill gameplay in CE, Halo 2, and to a slightly lesser extant Halo 3 was decided by which of the two players was the better one in terms of ability to aim, ability to strafe, and ability to put themselves in positions which were advantageous to assaulting enemy positions.

Why speed is good

Remember when I said the speed with which one could kill opponents in a duel was important?

That is because the moment you start a duel with a single player, in a team game, their teammates will be moving from unknown positions to attack you and help their teammate. The ability to get in a duel, win the duel and take minimum damage after it, is needed in order to survive the second and even third duels you will most likely get into after you have killed your opponent. Assuming the player you just killed wasn't completely clueless, you will have taken some damage and the ability to make sure that amount of damage was small rather than large is important, because the reinforcements will show up at full health leaving you at the disadvantage considering you have been damaged.

With a reliable weapon and more skill than your opponent, you can still kill these reinforcements.

Why the Default DMR is bad

The first noticeable difference between a BR and DMR is the fact that the DMR is a single shot weapon. This is unimportant.

The more important second difference is the extreme inaccuracy build up that was added to this weapon.

After three trigger pulls the DMR raises it's inaccuracy level to the point that perfectly aimed shots can miss at a 5 foot distance to an enemy player. The counter to this gameplay change is to wait without shooting to allow the accuracy to reset. This change is extremely detrimental to high skill gameplay because it introduces randomness that has the ability to counter even the best player's inherent skill and the only counter to this gameplay randomness is to slow down their shots.

This forces players to make a terrible choice.

Choose between a quick, but random decision of who survives the duel or a slow skill based duel.

At this level the speed of the kills is the more important factor because, as I said earlier, as soon as a duel starts you are going to have reinforcements show up to help kill you.

A difficult choice

The problem with this choice is that, should you choose the fast option because you are worried about the other player's teammates, you will be forced to play a game of chance that no longer factors in your individual skill. Perfect shots can become misses and missed shots can become hits.

A detrimental effect of this game of chance is that after the game decides who won randomly, the surviving player is most likely in an extremely weakened state in which their shield is down and their health is most likely extremely damaged making them an easy target when the reinforcements show up. This is even worse considering the fact that strafing in default Reach is no longer an option.

The second choice is even more problematic.

Choosing to slow down your shots in order to make sure they hit leaves your opponent alive longer and and gives more time for reinforcements to show up while you are still busy fighting a single player. Should teammates of your opponent arrive before your duel is done you will most likely be unable to survive because the slowed speed of an accurate DMR can not keep pace with two accurate DMRs being fired at you.

In the past a situation like this could easily be resolved with the ability to aim well and the ability to strafe.

Since strafing is no longer an option and the DMR is either accurate, but slow or inaccurate while fast, a 2 on 1 situation will almost always lead to the 1 dieing.

These changes make the DMR an inconsistent and unreliable weapon to make the main accurate medium range weapon.

[Edited on 02.23.2012 10:51 AM PST]

  • 02.22.2012 12:08 PM PDT

Lol

Why is nade spamming even a bad thing? If someone is camping or stuck in a tight corner with no way to escape that what you should do to achieve the kill. That's commonsense.

  • 02.22.2012 12:10 PM PDT

I never realized how long ppl could stay in camo for pre-TU. Mother. of. God.

Camo as a loadout is never going to be a good idea. Only someone bat-poop insane would think it would be fun to try.

[Edited on 02.22.2012 12:15 PM PST]

  • 02.22.2012 12:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
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Posted by: xSmoothmouse
I never realized how long ppl could stay in camo for pre-TU. Mother. of. God.

Camo as a loadout is never going to be a good idea. Only someone bat-poop insane would think it would be fun to try.

I had an entire enemy team stay at the back of their base with Camo in a Squad Slayer game on Tempest.

That was the slowest, most boring, and most "God DAMN IT I HATE THIS FUKCING GAME!!" moment I ever had.

  • 02.22.2012 12:19 PM PDT

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