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Subject: We can't trust what the Timeless One says

Seriously, this THING at first says that there's a cure to the Flood, then it turns out there isn't. Then he says that they are the Flood, no difference. Now I have a hard time believing that The Timeless One was actually a Precursor, what do you think?

  • 02.22.2012 10:47 AM PDT

"At the end of this day one shall stand, one shall fall"

So, Death or Bungie?

He could be a precurser, there is no evidence against it.

  • 02.22.2012 10:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

We don't trust what he says to the Didact since he would clearly lie to them in order to mislead them.

there is a cure, stop speed reading primordium and you would know that.

  • 02.22.2012 11:06 AM PDT

"At the end of this day one shall stand, one shall fall"

So, Death or Bungie?


Posted by: grey101
We don't trust what he says to the Didact since he would clearly lie to them in order to mislead them.

there is a cure, stop speed reading primordium and you would know that.
Pretty sure he says there is no cure.

  • 02.22.2012 11:31 AM PDT

1) Primordial never said there was a cure, the Forerunner history books did. All Primordial said was that there actually isn't a cure, only the Precursors relenting the assault (which was misconstrued as a cure based on human actions).

2) He says that the Precursors and Flood are the same--I take that to mean the Precursors are the Graveminds.

  • 02.22.2012 12:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Septagon7th

Posted by: grey101
We don't trust what he says to the Didact since he would clearly lie to them in order to mislead them.

there is a cure, stop speed reading primordium and you would know that.[/quote]Pretty sure he says there is no cure.


can you not read? i just said the TO would naturally lie to the forerunners since it wasnts them dead. Is he honestly expected to say "Yes Didact there is a cure and if your wife works harder she can find a way to beat me." Idiot.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
1) Primordial never said there was a cure, the Forerunner history books did. All Primordial said was that there actually isn't a cure, only the Precursors relenting the assault (which was misconstrued as a cure based on human actions).



[qoute]

"These two spoke in our heads as well as in our earstelling us of our fates. The Primordial and Green-eye were deciding who would live and who would die.

"But some who had been taken to the Palace of Pain returned. At first we were happy that they were back, but then we saw how some had changed. Some grew other skins, other eyes, other arms. They broke apart and joined together, then made others sick. They wailed in pain and tried to touch us. These poor monsters died, or we killed them later.

"And Green-eye said to the Beast, 'Not all resist . . . not all survive.' But most do. Why? Why do many survive, but some do not?" Gamelpar shuddered. "Twisted death. Death that spreads like spilled blood. Those who survived . . . who did not die . . . the Forerunners took some back to the Palace of Pain, and some they left behind. We do not know how they chose. And then . . ."



yea, there isn't a cure yet some of those that got infected actually died, something that doesn't happen when you are infected by the flood. Not to mention the Primordial manipulated Faber to conduct experiments on the humans to find out if they really were infected: along with MB talking directly to the primordial asking why there is such a large ratio between those who can get infected and those who can't.

Yea, the primordial would waste the amount of time he had free conducting experiments when he was really controlling the flood the entire time. That is the dumbest thing i have ever heard.


There was even a section in the book were it talked about humans finding the cure to be a ditch in the primordials plans along with them getting beat by the forerunners. But i forgot the exact phrasing so i cannot search for it.

  • 02.22.2012 1:38 PM PDT

"At the end of this day one shall stand, one shall fall"

So, Death or Bungie?

The humans didn't find a cure, they injected humans with poison and fed the humans to the flood. The poison killed the flood. It wasnt a cure.

  • 02.22.2012 3:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Septagon7th
The humans didn't find a cure, they injected humans with poison and fed the humans to the flood. The poison killed the flood. It wasnt a cure.


google "cure" and then come back here.


If you even read cryptum it was stated they had to give roughly a third of their population a set of destructive genes to combat the flood. the only downside was they had to be thrown in the path of the flood.

so humans with these genes get infected then the infection ends up dying, which is exactly what happened in primordium and is what Bias was talking about.

  • 02.22.2012 3:29 PM PDT

"At the end of this day one shall stand, one shall fall"

So, Death or Bungie?

Thats like saying an assault rifle is a cure.

  • 02.22.2012 4:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: Septagon7th
Thats like saying an assault rifle is a cure.

It made the flood stop attacking you didn't it.

[Edited on 02.22.2012 4:23 PM PST]

  • 02.22.2012 4:22 PM PDT

-BLAM!-

yes it stopped the flood but a cure is supposed to revert the victim back to normal, plus it seems more like they are looking for a vaccination not a cure.

  • 02.23.2012 5:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Cure are not always shots that make the pain go away. Cures are sometimes the solution.

"The cat was the cure for our mouse problem" which is why i said google that term since people think there is only one meaning for it.

  • 02.23.2012 6:21 AM PDT

-BLAM!-

i understand what you are saying but stereotypically that is a cure and that is what i based it on.

  • 02.23.2012 9:49 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: KAS ASSASSIN
yes it stopped the flood but a cure is supposed to revert the victim back to normal, plus it seems more like they are looking for a vaccination not a cure.


You've seen what the Flood do to a host body, correct? They grow extra appendages, their bones snap in unnatural angles, they lose almost all cognitive function as they're completely taken over by the parasite. Their whole genetic code is rewritten by a highly adaptable supercell.

That cannot be reversed. A 'cure' would be something that protects against that, not something that undoes the damage.

  • 02.23.2012 9:55 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

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Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: KAS ASSASSIN
yes it stopped the flood but a cure is supposed to revert the victim back to normal, plus it seems more like they are looking for a vaccination not a cure.

There is no way that a cure is going to reverse the growth of multiple new appendages, flood boimass all over the body, snapped bones to make way for biomass growth, and a gaping hole in the host's chest where the Flood infection form would seat itself.

  • 02.23.2012 10:02 AM PDT

-BLAM!-

A 'cure' would be something that protects against that, not something that undoes the damage.

That's not what a cure is, that's a vaccination because it stops it before it happens, plus a cure could be administered before the mutations occur. But what i really meant was extra limbs would fall off along with the lumps of extra tissue, not turn a flood pure form into what it was prier to infection.

  • 02.23.2012 10:07 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: KAS ASSASSIN
A 'cure' would be something that protects against that, not something that undoes the damage.

That's not what a cure is, that's a vaccination because it stops it before it happens, plus a cure could be administered before the mutations occur. But what i really meant was extra limbs would fall off along with the lumps of extra tissue, not turn a flood pure form into what it was prier to infection.


The Dictionary disagrees with your absolute definition of the word.

  • 02.23.2012 10:18 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: KAS ASSASSIN
But what i really meant was extra limbs would fall off along with the lumps of extra tissue, not turn a flood pure form into what it was prier to infection.

The multiple broken bones, mutilated head, modified central nervous system, gaping hole in chest....they just fix themselves, yeah?

[Edited on 02.23.2012 10:22 AM PST]

  • 02.23.2012 10:21 AM PDT

-BLAM!-

The multiple broken bones, mutilated head, modified central nervous system, gaping hole in chest....they just fix themselves, yeah?

I didn't say that once.
It would be nice if you read it properly.

  • 02.23.2012 10:45 AM PDT

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a response to ajw34307

Restoration of health; recovery from disease.
A method or course of treatment used to restore health.
An agent that restores health; a remedy.

Recovery from disease seems to cover it, but to me this seems like a generalization of what I've said.

I think we've gone a bit off topic.

[Edited on 02.23.2012 10:59 AM PST]

  • 02.23.2012 10:56 AM PDT

Citizens of Me! The cruelty of the old Pharaoh is a thing of the past. Let a whole new wave of cruelty wash over this lazy land.

Hear the word of Pharaoh. Build unto me a statue of ridiculous proportion. One billion cubits in height......that I might be remembered for all eternity!

And be quick about it!

I think we all know that the Timeless One is a next level Sauce Boss that feeds on haters.

But in all seriousness I don't know what to think. Is it a Precursor? Is it only a Gravemind lying and saying it is a Precursor? Is it a Flood infected Precursor that has become a Gravemind? I don't know. We'll have to wait until the 3rd Forerunner book, I can't wait!

Does anybody know when it comes out?

  • 02.23.2012 11:11 AM PDT

-BLAM!-

As far as i can tell there is no release date.

  • 02.23.2012 11:29 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: KAS ASSASSIN
The multiple broken bones, mutilated head, modified central nervous system, gaping hole in chest....they just fix themselves, yeah?

I didn't say that once.
It would be nice if you read it properly.

I read it properly. You're implying that the cure will "make the extra limbs and bits fall off". You realise what you're saying right? That the cure will somehow cause extra limbs to drop off and flood biomass to disappear? And again, even if the cure did all that (lolwut), how would the cure help with the cavity in the chest where the ribcage is ripped apart, and the modified spinal cord?

You clearly didn't think about how the cure would work. A Flood Combat Form is rather like a baked cake. You can't then revert the cake back to the original ingredients, i.e. eggs, flour etc. The cake is too much of a deformation from the original.

  • 02.23.2012 11:38 AM PDT

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I didn't think about how it worked and i never said i did but it is possible to an extent (if your willing to believe this.) This only accounts for the flood biomass falling off part, the "cure" would attack the flood biomass killing those cells but not attacking the hosts original DNA (which means the victim will have to have been only partially mutated), but this wouldn't affect any of the other symptoms but someone out there will be able to find a fictional way to cure those too.

  • 02.23.2012 2:29 PM PDT

A cure is defined as something that helps you recover from a disease. Therefore, what they did was not a cure, it was a pragmatic solution.
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Posted by: Septagon7th
The humans didn't find a cure, they injected humans with poison and fed the humans to the flood. The poison killed the flood. It wasnt a cure.


google "cure" and then come back here.


If you even read cryptum it was stated they had to give roughly a third of their population a set of destructive genes to combat the flood. the only downside was they had to be thrown in the path of the flood.

so humans with these genes get infected then the infection ends up dying, which is exactly what happened in primordium and is what Bias was talking about.

  • 02.25.2012 11:43 AM PDT

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