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Subject: Halo Community Ruined Halo

Halo Reach has become somewhat unbalanced because of the following reasons:
If you were on this forum before 343 took over, you'd know what i mean. The nade-spammers cried because they couldnt get a kill because of armor lock. The people who sucked ass with a DMR spammed the forums with remove Bloom posts. What happens when bungie leaves... Bloop Armor Lock & Bloom (Two very great factors) deleted off the face of Reach because of some stupid year late title update that 343 thinks reach needs after most and i say MOST of us have adapted. What im trying to say is...

Why Complain...

Have Funn!

[Edited on 02.22.2012 2:06 PM PST]

  • 02.22.2012 1:19 PM PDT

If you were here while Bungie was designing Reach you mean.

  • 02.22.2012 1:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: bashmeister2
so having to time your shots, know when to stike with a sword is bad? or having to think before you use a rocket on a guy is bad?

Yes, Yes, Yes

Now there are some far reaching consequences from all of the changes in Reach and completely addressing them would take an essay sized post like the one I mentioned earlier. So far, your over all maturity in your responses leads me to think that taking the time to make such a post would be a complete waste.

Let me give you a taste though to complete my assessment.

so having to time your shots

Yes.

This change to the base workings of Halo gameplay was detrimental to the workings of high skill level gameplay. The most important thing at this level of skill is how fast you can kill an opponent player and how much damage you can avoid taking while doing that.

This means that the most important thing is being able to kill other players as fast as possible while being damaged by them as little as possible.

Why the Pistol and BR were good

These two implements were highly effective at this task of killing other players in a quick manner. From a technical standpoint though as Halo games have progressed the absolute fastest they could kill was made longer and longer.

That is besides the point at the moment though. These weapons have a high accuracy meaning that when you miss a shot this is because

1. You weren't aiming at them.

This is the first most common reason someone misses with the Pistol or BR. Your ability to accurately aim the weapon is just not good enough to hit the enemy. That isn't to say you never hit them, but you are missing when you shouldn't be.

2. They strafed to avoid the shot.

This is the second most common reason for missed shots, but this is only relevant at high skill level gameplay. Explaining strafing and why it is important is beyond the scope of this essay sampler platter so I will leave this section here.

Skill expression through the Pistol and BR

These weapons and their effectiveness in the right hands made for extremely controlled and skillful gameplay. When a player was better than another player they would win in most situations when all other factors are equal because the weapon in their hands is consistent and reliable in it's ability to kill other players. Consistency and Reliablity are important for these weapons because it means that when two players face off against each other, it is the more skilled player that wins a duel.

The Pistol and BR were able to fulfill this role handily. High skill gameplay in CE, Halo 2, and to a slightly lesser extant Halo 3 was decided by which of the two players was the better one in terms of ability to aim, ability to strafe, and ability to put themselves in positions which were advantageous to assaulting enemy positions.

Why speed is good

Remember when I said the speed with which one could kill opponents in a duel was important?

That is because the moment you start a duel with a single player, in a team game, their teammates will be moving from unknown positions to attack you and help their teammate. The ability to get in a duel, win the duel and take minimum damage after it, is needed in order to survive the second and even third duels you will most likely get into after you have killed your opponent. Assuming the player you just killed wasn't completely clueless, you will have taken some damage and the ability to make sure that amount of damage was small rather than large is important, because the reinforcements will show up at full health leaving you at the disadvantage considering you have been damaged.

With a reliable weapon and more skill than your opponent, you can still kill these reinforcements.

Why the Default DMR is bad

The first noticeable difference between a BR and DMR is the fact that the DMR is a single shot weapon. This is unimportant.

The more important second difference is the extreme inaccuracy build up that was added to this weapon.

After three trigger pulls the DMR raises it's inaccuracy level to the point that perfectly aimed shots can miss at a 5 foot distance to an enemy player. The counter to this gameplay change is to wait without shooting to allow the accuracy to reset. This change is extremely detrimental to high skill gameplay because it introduces randomness that has the ability to counter even the bet players inherent skill and the only counter to this gameplay randomness is to slow down their shots.

This forces players to make a terrible choice.

Choose between a quick, but random decision of who survives the duel or a slow skill based duel.

At this level the speed of the kills is the more important factor because, as I said earlier, as soon as a duel starts you are going to have reinforcements show up to help kill you.

A difficult choice

The problem with this choice is that, should you choose the fast option because you are worried about the other player's teammates, you will be forced to play a game of chance that no longer factors in your individual skill. Perfect shots can become misses and missed shots can become hits.

A detrimental effect of this game of chance is that after the game decides who won randomly, the surviving player is most likely in an extremely weakened state in which their shield is down and their health is most likely extremely damaged making them an easy target when the reinforcements show up. This is even worse considering the fact that strafing in default Reach is no longer an option.

The second choice is even more problematic.

Choosing to slow down your shots in order to make sure they hit leaves your opponent alive longer and and gives more time for reinforcements to show up while you are still busy fighting a single player. Should teammates of your opponent arrive before your duel is done you will most likely be unable to survive because the slowed speed of an accurate DMR can not keep pace with two accurate DMRs being fired at you.

In the past a situation like this could easily be resolved with the ability to aim well and the ability to strafe.

Since strafing is no longer an option and the DMR is either accurate, but slow or inaccurate while fast, a 2 on 1 situation will almost always lead to the 1 dieing.

These changes make the DMR an inconsistent and unreliable weapon to make the main accurate medium range weapon.

  • 02.22.2012 1:19 PM PDT

Two makes there more than speakers.

You've lost a lot of credibility now.

  • 02.22.2012 1:20 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Life is a journey, if you spend all of it with your nose in your map, you may miss some of the best parts.

How do you have fun when you have bullcrap like Bloom and Armor Lock?

  • 02.22.2012 1:20 PM PDT


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Posted by: xViper phantomx

Why Complain...



Which is what you just did.
Thiss ISN'T a complaint. as you should be able to see it is meerly a summary of all the mistakes that were made and how 343 should have a little common knowledge, as should you.

  • 02.22.2012 1:24 PM PDT


Posted by: RustedEdge
How do you have fun when you have bullcrap like Bloom and Armor Lock?
They're game physics that make the game fun and interesting, if you would just shutup and enjoy it maybe, You could see.

  • 02.22.2012 1:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: xViper phantomx

Posted by: RustedEdge
How do you have fun when you have bullcrap like Bloom and Armor Lock?
They're game physics that make the game fun and interesting, if you would just shutup and enjoy it maybe, You could see.

I don't enjoy aiming at someone and the game saying Nope, miss, try again. and then when I finally get their shield down they armor lock. That stuff is annoying and very far from fun.


You would know that if you could read.

Look above.

  • 02.22.2012 1:28 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Life is a journey, if you spend all of it with your nose in your map, you may miss some of the best parts.


Posted by: xViper phantomx

Posted by: RustedEdge
How do you have fun when you have bullcrap like Bloom and Armor Lock?
They're game physics that make the game fun and interesting, if you would just shutup and enjoy it maybe, You could see.


Armor lock makes the game fun? So you don't get mad when you make a guy one shot and he armor locks and you don't get the kill?

You don't get mad when you should have won a DMR battle but bloom got in the way?

Oh wait, you're bad. You enjoy this game because of stupid reasons and can't see the bad qualities of this game.

[Edited on 02.22.2012 1:29 PM PST]

  • 02.22.2012 1:28 PM PDT
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GrownPrism is NOT my gt. Happened when signing into my xbox live account. My real gt is here:

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/Default.aspx?player=SYNTHES lS&sg=0

The people that complained about Halo 3 ruined Halo. And I find the TU fun, more fun than default Reach.

[Edited on 02.22.2012 1:30 PM PST]

  • 02.22.2012 1:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Destiny 7

Posted by: xViper phantomx


Yes it is.

You're complaining about how the Halo community ruined Halo.
Here's the definition, i guess you should have paid more attention in English.

Definition of COMPLAIN
intransitive verb
1: to express grief, pain, or discontent <complaining about the weather>
2: to make a formal accusation or charge

Here's a link to this webpage:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/complain

  • 02.22.2012 1:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
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Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

Complaining about complaining doesn't fix anything.

lol linking the definition of complaining and still not realizing that that is what you are doing.

  • 02.22.2012 1:44 PM PDT


Posted by: RustedEdge
Armor lock makes the game fun? So you don't get mad when you make a guy one shot and he armor locks and you don't get the kill?.
No this game never makes me mad unless my teammates suck. But ive learned to deal with that.

Posted by: RustedEdge
You don't get mad when you should have won a DMR battle but bloom got in the way?
Hell NO! Bloom countered DMR spamming. So why would you want to take Bloom out when it was countering DMR Spamming which was already overpowered.

Posted by: RustedEdge
Oh wait, you're bad.
Here i have no clue about what your talking about.

Posted by: RustedEdge
You enjoy this game because of stupid reasons and can't see the bad qualities of this game
I didnt say i enjoyed it because of these reasons just that they balance it out more.

  • 02.22.2012 2:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

He's pointing out your Gt to show that your stats say that you die more often than you kill.

This shows that you have no idea what makes good gameplay.

  • 02.22.2012 2:09 PM PDT

Posted by: martrdom95
They rushed reach for the profit they built up hipe and screwed us over end of story


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Posted by: Gangster No1
Anyone who claims the AR takes skill ought to shoot himself in the head. Preferably with the AR because they'll most likely miss with any other weapon.

Your in 30% Iron division and your telling me I suck because I know how this game should work?

  • 02.22.2012 2:10 PM PDT


Posted by: xViper phantomx

Posted by: RustedEdge
Armor lock makes the game fun? So you don't get mad when you make a guy one shot and he armor locks and you don't get the kill?.
No this game never makes me mad unless my teammates suck. But ive learned to deal with that.

Posted by: RustedEdge
You don't get mad when you should have won a DMR battle but bloom got in the way?
Hell NO! Bloom countered DMR spamming. So why would you want to take Bloom out when it was countering DMR Spamming which was already overpowered.

Posted by: RustedEdge
Oh wait, you're bad.
Here i have no clue about what your talking about.

Posted by: RustedEdge
You enjoy this game because of stupid reasons and can't see the bad qualities of this game
I didnt say i enjoyed it because of these reasons just that they balance it out more.

What he was saying is YOU ARE BAD at the game. You mention people sucking with the DMR yet almost everyone who wanted the TU is way better, and I mean light years better then you so at that point your argument became invalid.

  • 02.22.2012 2:14 PM PDT


Posted by: XxHitManxX
Your in 30% Iron division and your telling me I suck because I know how this game should work?
You know why its becuase i cant find any good -blam!- teamates!! Arenas based on Wins/Played and if i get 20 kills and both teamates gets 3 and dies 15 times do you think thats gonna put us on the winning side?

  • 02.22.2012 2:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: xViper phantomx

Posted by: XxHitManxX
Your in 30% Iron division and your telling me I suck because I know how this game should work?
You know why its becuase i cant find any good -blam!- teamates!! Arenas based on Wins/Played and if i get 20 kills and both teamates gets 3 and dies 15 times do you think thats gonna put us on the winning side?


My little brother sucks and his K/D is .10 higher than yours. Anything below 1 is awful. I'm only 1.07 and I'm still way better. We're both randoms and we could easily beat you.

TU is amazing, I never wanna play vanilla Reach again. DMR starts are the only logical starts to any slayer gametype. Armorlock is for bad kids and so is bloom. Everyone I've ever seen defend the two have K/Ds below 1.

Anything Vanilla in slayer games is right up there with Grifball and Living Dead at this point. Learn to use a DMR and stop complaining.

  • 02.22.2012 2:26 PM PDT


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Posted by: xViper phantomx

Posted by: RustedEdge
Armor lock makes the game fun? So you don't get mad when you make a guy one shot and he armor locks and you don't get the kill?.
No this game never makes me mad unless my teammates suck. But ive learned to deal with that.

Posted by: RustedEdge
You don't get mad when you should have won a DMR battle but bloom got in the way?
Hell NO! Bloom countered DMR spamming. So why would you want to take Bloom out when it was countering DMR Spamming which was already overpowered.

Posted by: RustedEdge
Oh wait, you're bad.
Here i have no clue about what your talking about.

Posted by: RustedEdge
You enjoy this game because of stupid reasons and can't see the bad qualities of this game
I didnt say i enjoyed it because of these reasons just that they balance it out more.

What he was saying is YOU ARE BAD at the game. You mention people sucking with the DMR yet almost everyone who wanted the TU is way better, and I mean light years better then you so at that point your argument became invalid.
My argument is invalid, hum lets make a comparison, thats like saying someone with a crippled arm shouldnt walk.

Just For The Record i played a lot of grifball.

If im so bad lets 1v1.

  • 02.22.2012 2:32 PM PDT

And now you're crying because you can't defend yourself with a press of a button or can't get lucky kills with a random bloom.

If anything, the complaints saved the game for the small community that still had hope. I find Reach much more entertaining now when I'm getting kills when I'm supposed to, and no-one is killing me when I'm supposed to stay alive.

The two only things that are still bothering me is sprint-melee combo and too large explosion radius, but those are minor things.

  • 02.22.2012 2:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: xViper phantomx
The people who sucked ass with a DMR spammed the forums with

EL OH EL!!

The people who suck with the DMR like bloom because the randomness gives them a chance to win a battle, where the good players hate it because it makes their shots random.

Negative k/d + 30% iron trying... lulz

  • 02.22.2012 2:34 PM PDT

OP you're bad. Opinion is null and void.

  • 02.22.2012 2:35 PM PDT


Posted by: xViper phantomx

Posted by: De1taDawg210

Posted by: xViper phantomx

Posted by: RustedEdge
Armor lock makes the game fun? So you don't get mad when you make a guy one shot and he armor locks and you don't get the kill?.
No this game never makes me mad unless my teammates suck. But ive learned to deal with that.

Posted by: RustedEdge
You don't get mad when you should have won a DMR battle but bloom got in the way?
Hell NO! Bloom countered DMR spamming. So why would you want to take Bloom out when it was countering DMR Spamming which was already overpowered.

Posted by: RustedEdge
Oh wait, you're bad.
Here i have no clue about what your talking about.

Posted by: RustedEdge
You enjoy this game because of stupid reasons and can't see the bad qualities of this game
I didnt say i enjoyed it because of these reasons just that they balance it out more.

What he was saying is YOU ARE BAD at the game. You mention people sucking with the DMR yet almost everyone who wanted the TU is way better, and I mean light years better then you so at that point your argument became invalid.
My argument is invalid, hum lets make a comparison, thats like saying someone with a crippled arm shouldnt walk.

Just For The Record i played a lot of grifball.

If im so bad lets 1v1.

Are you serious? Just for the sake of a good laugh sure I'll 1v1 you.

  • 02.22.2012 2:36 PM PDT

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