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Subject: Is there anyone GOOD that likes Default more than TU?
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
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Posted by: Potato Mawnster
I don't necessarily agree. Bloom should have been implemented better; the problem with the DMR is that the bloom is too small but the bloom reset is too slow. This makes spamming much more effective and enticing.

Then just remove it. Halo CE, Halo 2 and Halo 3 played fine without bloom.

Armor abilities are a pain the the ass, but the problem is that they influenced the game too much; they deserve their place, but only if most of them were nerfed significantly.
That influence is why we lost our old movement speed and jump height. I want them gone.

I think the default speed could be upped a bit. However, I don't want Halo 3's comical jump height; jumping forward is faster than moving forward in that game. lol H3. Halo 1 had the lowest jump height of all and nobody complained about that...
Jumping doesn't make you go faster. That is a preposterous myth that only fools believe. The CE jump height is still better than the Reach jump height.

The nades in Halo 3 were underpowered; they were like little firecrackers. The problem isn't with the Reach grenades, but the Reach default movement speed. Again, Halo 1 had much more powerful grenades, but the fast movement speed countered that.
The CE nades also took longer to explode. The Reach nades explode the fastest, have a large blast radius and we are too slow to make any attempt to escape them.

It seems like you want the game to play like Halo 3. Well... play Halo 3! That game is still up and running and isn't going anywhere soon!
I want this game to play like a weird mix between Halo CE, Halo 2, and Halo 3.

The only thing Halo 3 would contribute to said mix would be the ranked playlists.

The actual gameplay I want has elements from CE and Halo 2.

It's funny how you simplified what I said to make an assumption that was based on nothing in my post.

  • 02.25.2012 4:09 PM PDT

You can't spell GARBAGE without AR.


Posted by: Zomechin
Skimmed post, read that, disregarded post

*sigh*


Well then, you're not very intelligent I guess...

Have you even booted up Halo 3 and tried out the nades recently? The blast radius on them is pathetic! Even then, have you even paid attention to what I've put up? I've said that the nades seem overpowered in Reach is because of the slow movement speed.

Reguardless, you inability to read and to put forth any points for discussion allows me to disreguard YOUR post. Derp.

[Edited on 02.25.2012 4:30 PM PST]

  • 02.25.2012 4:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
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Posted by: Falerin
You know. I can't tell if these guys are serious and dumb or just trolling.


If we brought the entire Team Slayer population to this forum, there would be TONS of good players who love default.



This forum is such a tiny minority compared to the 500-600k a day on Reach it ain't even funny.

Good players in the Team Slayer playlist?

lol

  • 02.25.2012 4:11 PM PDT

"Don't go following causes. They'll just break your heart. When idealism meets reality, it's rarely reality that backs down."

Michael Liberty, UNN

Starcraft Universe

I don't really have an opinion on the matter, but I gotta ask:

OP, what, in your opinion, defines a "good" player?

Thats kind of key to answering your question.

  • 02.25.2012 4:27 PM PDT

You can't spell GARBAGE without AR.


Posted by: RC Clone

Then just remove it. Halo CE, Halo 2 and Halo 3 played fine without bloom.
That is a possible solution, but I think it is possible to make bloom work, although making the game feel more casual... Just because a game isn't meant for MLG doesn't make it a bad game, mind you.


That influence is why we lost our old movement speed and jump height. I want them gone.
I agree somewhat, however, like I said again, I want most AAs nerfed significantly, so that would also sever the influence to other aspects.


Jumping doesn't make you go faster. That is a preposterous myth that only fools believe. The CE jump height is still better than the Reach jump height.
That is not true. If you set markers in Forge, you can find out that moving is slightly slower than jumping forward. The differences are barely noticable because this must be done over long distances. BTW, Halo 1's jump height was akin to the Reach beta jump height. It was impossible to crouch jump over a Warthog compared to Reach. In H1, the camera was positioned much lower, making it seem like the small jumps were taller.


The CE nades also took longer to explode. The Reach nades explode the fastest, have a large blast radius and we are too slow to make any attempt to escape them.
I meant the explosion and and radius of the Halo 1 nades were much larger, but other factors such as the respective movement speed affected its usefullness.


I want this game to play like a weird mix between Halo CE, Halo 2, and Halo 3.

The only thing Halo 3 would contribute to said mix would be the ranked playlists.

The actual gameplay I want has elements from CE and Halo 2.

It's funny how you simplified what I said to make an assumption that was based on nothing in my post.


Acutally, I said "it seems" instead of "it's certain," which implies a guess...

  • 02.25.2012 4:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
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For my full thoughts on this subject see here

  • 02.25.2012 4:30 PM PDT

Hi.

Posted by: Potato Mawnster

Posted by: Zomechin
Skimmed post, read that, disregarded post

*sigh*


Well then, you're not very intelligent I guess...

Have you even booted up Halo 3 and tried out the nades recently? The blast radius on them is pathetic! Even then, have you even paid attention to what I've put up? I've said that the nades seem overpowered in Reach is because of the slow movement speed.

Reguardless, you inability to read and to put forth any points for discussion allows me to disreguard YOUR post. Derp.
I can't take anything you post seriously after reading what I underlined, including whatever you just posted.

I'm baffled.

  • 02.25.2012 4:36 PM PDT

You can't spell GARBAGE without AR.


Posted by: Zomechin
Posted by: Potato Mawnster

Posted by: Zomechin
Skimmed post, read that, disregarded post

*sigh*


Well then, you're not very intelligent I guess...

Have you even booted up Halo 3 and tried out the nades recently? The blast radius on them is pathetic! Even then, have you even paid attention to what I've put up? I've said that the nades seem overpowered in Reach is because of the slow movement speed.

Reguardless, you inability to read and to put forth any points for discussion allows me to disreguard YOUR post. Derp.
I can't take anything you post seriously after reading what I underlined, including whatever you just posted.

I'm baffled.


Again, you haven't even posted why that is so. Please, enlighten me with your esoteric knowledge of what is reasonable and what isn't.

  • 02.25.2012 4:37 PM PDT

Hi.

Posted by: Potato Mawnster

Posted by: Zomechin
Posted by: Potato Mawnster

Posted by: Zomechin
Skimmed post, read that, disregarded post

*sigh*


Well then, you're not very intelligent I guess...

Have you even booted up Halo 3 and tried out the nades recently? The blast radius on them is pathetic! Even then, have you even paid attention to what I've put up? I've said that the nades seem overpowered in Reach is because of the slow movement speed.

Reguardless, you inability to read and to put forth any points for discussion allows me to disreguard YOUR post. Derp.
I can't take anything you post seriously after reading what I underlined, including whatever you just posted.

I'm baffled.


Again, you haven't even posted why that is so. Please, enlighten me with your esoteric knowledge of what is reasonable and what isn't.
My policy stands

  • 02.25.2012 4:39 PM PDT

You can't spell GARBAGE without AR.


Posted by: Zomechin
My policy stands


Oh no! Somebody disreguarded my opinions even though I put forth adequete reasoning behind it! That person disreguarded it through some unknown criteria for unknown reasons! They "disagreed" with one part so therefore everything is false, oh no!!!!!111!!1

LOL, what policy?

  • 02.25.2012 4:43 PM PDT

Welcome to the internet. Joy dies here.

Y'know Clone, if you gave people a little respect and acted like you were discussing this with someone you didn't dislike, more people would listen to you. In fact, I think the TU would be a lot better received in general if it's vocal proponents (such as yourself) weren't such dicks. I'm sure you don't care about how you're perceived, but you're tarnishing the TU's credibility. If every thread on the forum states that only retards dislike the TU, it's not hard to make the leap of judgement that the only people who like the TU are -blam!-s.

  • 02.25.2012 4:58 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.

As others have said, it depends entirely on your definition of "good". But if it's what I'm thinking then, no, there are no "good" vanilla supporters.

At least not that I know of.

[Edited on 02.25.2012 5:00 PM PST]

  • 02.25.2012 5:00 PM PDT

why cant 343 just implement ZB in all playlists?

along with increased movement speed/jump height

[Edited on 02.25.2012 5:04 PM PST]

  • 02.25.2012 5:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.


Posted by: WhackyGordon
Y'know Clone, if you gave people a little respect and acted like you were discussing this with someone you didn't dislike, more people would listen to you. In fact, I think the TU would be a lot better received in general if it's vocal proponents (such as yourself) weren't such dicks. I'm sure you don't care about how you're perceived, but you're tarnishing the TU's credibility. If every thread on the forum states that only retards dislike the TU, it's not hard to make the leap of judgement that the only people who like the TU are -blam!-s.

Well then don't play it. Problem solved.

  • 02.25.2012 5:01 PM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

My stats in Halol 4

Typical Waypoint post.
no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?


Posted by: Viper Skills
there are no "good" vanilla supporters.

At least not that I know of.

  • 02.25.2012 5:02 PM PDT

Leon > HUNK > Wesker > Ada > Jill > Claire > Chris

I like Vanilla Reach, and I consider myself decent.

  • 02.25.2012 5:04 PM PDT

Welcome to the internet. Joy dies here.

Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: WhackyGordon
Y'know Clone, if you gave people a little respect and acted like you were discussing this with someone you didn't dislike, more people would listen to you. In fact, I think the TU would be a lot better received in general if it's vocal proponents (such as yourself) weren't such dicks. I'm sure you don't care about how you're perceived, but you're tarnishing the TU's credibility. If every thread on the forum states that only retards dislike the TU, it's not hard to make the leap of judgement that the only people who like the TU are -blam!-s.

Well then don't play it. Problem solved.

What? I don't even..

I don't hate the TU. I just see you pushing all these kids away, instead of converting them to TU lovers. You're presenting them with information that has the potential to convert them, but presenting it in such as way as to make it insulting. Why you gotta hate?

  • 02.25.2012 5:06 PM PDT

You can't spell GARBAGE without AR.


Posted by: RC Clone

Posted by: WhackyGordon
Y'know Clone, if you gave people a little respect and acted like you were discussing this with someone you didn't dislike, more people would listen to you. In fact, I think the TU would be a lot better received in general if it's vocal proponents (such as yourself) weren't such dicks. I'm sure you don't care about how you're perceived, but you're tarnishing the TU's credibility. If every thread on the forum states that only retards dislike the TU, it's not hard to make the leap of judgement that the only people who like the TU are -blam!-s.

Well then don't play it. Problem solved.

That works both ways...

  • 02.25.2012 5:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

Me being an ass

  • 02.25.2012 5:06 PM PDT

Welcome to the internet. Joy dies here.

Posted by: RC Clone
Me being an ass

If you weren't an ass before you posted that (in each thread) I think the lesser skilled players would be more inclined to actually read it with an open mind, instead of trying to work up an argument against each point as they go.

  • 02.25.2012 5:08 PM PDT


Posted by: RC Clone
Me being an ass


YOU
ARE
SUCH
AN
ASS

  • 02.25.2012 5:08 PM PDT

Welcome to the internet. Joy dies here.

Posted by: Potato Mawnster
That works both ways...

Are you even reading this stuff?

  • 02.25.2012 5:09 PM PDT

Leon > HUNK > Wesker > Ada > Jill > Claire > Chris


Posted by: RC Clone
Me being an ass

That's not really being an ass. It's just stating flaws Vanilla Reach had, but tards tend to get mad when you dislike stuff they like. I can't count how many times I said I preferred Vanilla to TU and got "Ur bad kid" or "GTFO ur bad" or "Ur K/D with the DMR is negative. Must mean ur bad" etc.

  • 02.25.2012 5:09 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: WhackyGordon
Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: WhackyGordon
Y'know Clone, if you gave people a little respect and acted like you were discussing this with someone you didn't dislike, more people would listen to you. In fact, I think the TU would be a lot better received in general if it's vocal proponents (such as yourself) weren't such dicks. I'm sure you don't care about how you're perceived, but you're tarnishing the TU's credibility. If every thread on the forum states that only retards dislike the TU, it's not hard to make the leap of judgement that the only people who like the TU are -blam!-s.

Well then don't play it. Problem solved.

What? I don't even..

I don't hate the TU. I just see you pushing all these kids away, instead of converting them to TU lovers. You're presenting them with information that has the potential to convert them, but presenting it in such as way as to make it insulting. Why you gotta hate?


You can't really "convert" anyone to a TU lover. If they don't like it they don't like it - it's that simple. You can, however, change someone into one who better understands the TU so they don't go around saying they hate it for reasons that aren't true.

For example:

I hate the TU because bloom takes more skill!

You can easily dispel this belief within 2-3 paragraphs of explanation. If the person is level-headed enough they should be able to understand it with ease and realize their former belief is wrong.

It doesn't mean they have to like the TU.

  • 02.25.2012 5:10 PM PDT