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Subject: Is there anyone GOOD that likes Default more than TU?

I don't care at all what other people like or don't like, and I couldn't care less if there was a mass army of players who enjoyed Vanilla Reach more, though I don't believe that is the case.

However, in my eyes, Vanilla Reach was the most unbalanced, slow-paced, clunky, poorly designed gameplay of any Halo game. The map design was awful, the gameplay wasn't smooth or polished, it was frustrating and slow, and the skill-gap was non-existent in most playlists. The ranking system was discouraging, arena was a disaster, and I hated everything about it.

So, I'm going to have to say that I enjoy TU Reach far better.

I don't actually think I'm good, but I figured you'd like people agreeing with you regardless of how well they play. I was good at Halo 3.

  • 02.25.2012 5:10 PM PDT


Posted by: WhackyGordon
Posted by: RC Clone
Me being an ass

If you weren't an ass before you posted that (in each thread) I think the lesser skilled players would be more inclined to actually read it with an open mind, instead of trying to work up an argument against each point as they go.

Everyone who acts elitest on here was nice when they first started posting. The problem is that its very hard to deal with people who refuse to accept tips and help when we offered it. So we gave up on trying to help by being nice, because at least being a jerk over the internet is entertaining.

Also, I agree with Viper. I have yet to see anybody good support Vanilla Reach, including that LeonKennedy85 kid.

  • 02.25.2012 5:11 PM PDT

Welcome to the internet. Joy dies here.

Posted by: Viper Skills
You can, however, change someone into one who better understands the TU so they don't go around saying they hate it for reasons that aren't true.

That's a much better way of wording it. That's what I meant.

Although I feel that achieving that ^ would give a lot of players the info they need to love the TU. Or at least prefer it over Vanilla and want it to be improved further.
Edit: as opposed to driving them away and breeding more conflict

[Edited on 02.25.2012 5:14 PM PST]

  • 02.25.2012 5:13 PM PDT

You can't spell GARBAGE without AR.


Posted by: eRage Sanctity

Posted by: WhackyGordon
Posted by: RC Clone
Me being an ass

If you weren't an ass before you posted that (in each thread) I think the lesser skilled players would be more inclined to actually read it with an open mind, instead of trying to work up an argument against each point as they go.

Everyone who acts elitest on here was nice when they first started posting. The problem is that its very hard to deal with people who refuse to accept tips and help when we offered it. So we gave up on trying to help by being nice, because at least being a jerk over the internet is entertaining.

Also, I agree with Viper. I have yet to see anybody good support Vanilla Reach, including that LeonKennedy85 kid.


So the skill of a player is directly proportional to their validity?

  • 02.25.2012 5:13 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: Potato Mawnster
So the skill of a player is directly proportional to their validity?


It depends on the topic at hand.

  • 02.25.2012 5:16 PM PDT
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*wonders how New Clan Recruitment For Shadow Pack thread gets 55 replies*

*reads "Hi I'm Ashley. . ." *

[Question Answered]

*proceeds to read on, shakes head, and gently laughs*

This guy.

  • 02.25.2012 5:16 PM PDT


Posted by: Potato Mawnster

Posted by: eRage Sanctity

Posted by: WhackyGordon
Posted by: RC Clone
Me being an ass

If you weren't an ass before you posted that (in each thread) I think the lesser skilled players would be more inclined to actually read it with an open mind, instead of trying to work up an argument against each point as they go.

Everyone who acts elitest on here was nice when they first started posting. The problem is that its very hard to deal with people who refuse to accept tips and help when we offered it. So we gave up on trying to help by being nice, because at least being a jerk over the internet is entertaining.

Also, I agree with Viper. I have yet to see anybody good support Vanilla Reach, including that LeonKennedy85 kid.


So the skill of a player is directly proportional to their validity?

Halo is 70% mental skill. Which means majority of what you need to be successful is understanding of the game, so anyone who understands the game should be pretty good. I guarantee all the bad players who claim to know so much could learn a lot by watching pro player analysis' or going over gameplays with better players.

  • 02.25.2012 5:16 PM PDT

"Don't go following causes. They'll just break your heart. When idealism meets reality, it's rarely reality that backs down."

Michael Liberty, UNN

Starcraft Universe


Posted by: Potato Mawnster

Posted by: eRage Sanctity

Posted by: WhackyGordon
Posted by: RC Clone
Me being an ass

If you weren't an ass before you posted that (in each thread) I think the lesser skilled players would be more inclined to actually read it with an open mind, instead of trying to work up an argument against each point as they go.

Everyone who acts elitest on here was nice when they first started posting. The problem is that its very hard to deal with people who refuse to accept tips and help when we offered it. So we gave up on trying to help by being nice, because at least being a jerk over the internet is entertaining.

Also, I agree with Viper. I have yet to see anybody good support Vanilla Reach, including that LeonKennedy85 kid.


So the skill of a player is directly proportional to their validity?


By this forum's standards, yes.

Thing is, 90% of the people you're arguing with are part of the same group that shares the same opinions, and if an argument even hints at not going their way, they get every one of the 277 members down here to take a look, and post if they can.

Also, they make up I think 80% of people who still post in the reach forums at all.

Why do you think no one bothers with the Reach forum anymore? Cause all the other people are pretty much copy and pasted narrow minded elitists.

You'd be better off bringing your logic to a different forum. Try the flood, smarter people are a rare commodity over there sometimes.

  • 02.25.2012 5:19 PM PDT

Welcome to the internet. Joy dies here.

Posted by: eRage Sanctity
Everyone who acts elitest on here was nice when they first started posting. The problem is that its very hard to deal with people who refuse to accept tips and help when we offered it. So we gave up on trying to help by being nice, because at least being a jerk over the internet is entertaining.

Well that's -blam!-. It would be so much more fun to dive into Halo if posting on the forums didn't result in endless trolling. I probably wouldn't have spent so long playing like an idiot and actually learned to play well if I wasn't driven from discussions involving skill by dicks calling me retarded.

  • 02.25.2012 5:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.


Posted by: WhackyGordon
Posted by: eRage Sanctity
Everyone who acts elitest on here was nice when they first started posting. The problem is that its very hard to deal with people who refuse to accept tips and help when we offered it. So we gave up on trying to help by being nice, because at least being a jerk over the internet is entertaining.

Well that's -blam!-. It would be so much more fun to dive into Halo if posting on the forums didn't result in endless trolling. I probably wouldn't have spent so long playing like an idiot and actually learned to play well if I wasn't driven from discussions involving skill by dicks calling me retarded.

I'm not trolling.

When I call someone a retard those are my exact thoughts.

  • 02.25.2012 5:23 PM PDT

"Don't go following causes. They'll just break your heart. When idealism meets reality, it's rarely reality that backs down."

Michael Liberty, UNN

Starcraft Universe


Posted by: RC Clone

Posted by: WhackyGordon
Posted by: eRage Sanctity
Everyone who acts elitest on here was nice when they first started posting. The problem is that its very hard to deal with people who refuse to accept tips and help when we offered it. So we gave up on trying to help by being nice, because at least being a jerk over the internet is entertaining.

Well that's -blam!-. It would be so much more fun to dive into Halo if posting on the forums didn't result in endless trolling. I probably wouldn't have spent so long playing like an idiot and actually learned to play well if I wasn't driven from discussions involving skill by dicks calling me retarded.

I'm not trolling.

When I call someone a retard those are my exact thoughts.


In short you're being an ass. Try being helpful and people might respond better.

  • 02.25.2012 5:25 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.

Ya'll need to calm down. Fortunately, I have the perfect remedy:

Try to be mad.

Good luck with that. I'm going to the gym to hit on all the men.

  • 02.25.2012 5:25 PM PDT

You can't spell GARBAGE without AR.


Posted by: eRage Sanctity

Halo is 70% mental skill. Which means majority of what you need to be successful is understanding of the game, so anyone who understands the game should be pretty good. I guarantee all the bad players who claim to know so much could learn a lot by watching pro player analysis' or going over gameplays with better players.


If theoretically, there is a logistical flaw with the rules of a game, are you saying that they must abide by such a flaw in order to have a valid voice?

This game has a tapestry of styles and gameplays, what makes the style you're advocating the "objective" gamestyle? For instance, what makes the pro's gamestyle be able to speak for and represent all other players? Is it becasue of skill? If so, skill is still a very broad term. Is "skill" the holy grail for games to look upon?

  • 02.25.2012 5:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.


Posted by: SPC COMMANDO

Posted by: RC Clone

Posted by: WhackyGordon
Posted by: eRage Sanctity
Everyone who acts elitest on here was nice when they first started posting. The problem is that its very hard to deal with people who refuse to accept tips and help when we offered it. So we gave up on trying to help by being nice, because at least being a jerk over the internet is entertaining.

Well that's -blam!-. It would be so much more fun to dive into Halo if posting on the forums didn't result in endless trolling. I probably wouldn't have spent so long playing like an idiot and actually learned to play well if I wasn't driven from discussions involving skill by dicks calling me retarded.

I'm not trolling.

When I call someone a retard those are my exact thoughts.


In short you're being an ass. Try being helpful and people might respond better.

If I did I would have to keep posting almost the same thing all the time and most of the time the person would ignore me or refuse to listen.

So I stopped.

  • 02.25.2012 5:28 PM PDT

I <3 Halo:Reach - amazingly fun and best campaign + amazing Soundtrack
I <3 Halo 3:ODST - best soundtrack + Firefight + Coastal Highway and Mombassa Streets, amazingly unique campaign.
I <3 Halo 3 - best multiplayer levels + Forge + best Custom Games + soundtrack
I <3 Halo 2 - amazing huge fun campaign + soundtrack + Fun multiplayer
I <3 Halo: CE - started it all

Why I dislike the Title Update? Melee. It just doesn't work in Halo:Reach, or for the fact they changed such a big factor to the game 15 months after the games release.

Almost EVERYONES 3rd most tool of destruction is Melee. Its clear to say its a big factor in the game, and it really is just awful in TU. I can't even use my Concussion Rifle because of the Melee, or Slice someone with my sword. The guy with lay 2 body shots on me while im running up to him with my Sword, and punch me as I slice him, and we both die.

I will shoot my Concussion gun at the enemy, and the blast from my own weapon will get me killed, because the enemy can pummel me in one shot. I find myself getting killed by people pummeling me, honest to god, about 2X as much as normal since they changed it.


Active Camo being downgraded even more? This has to be one of the most worthless abilities pre-TU, and they felt they needed to change it, because people were using it to camo-snipe on maps (They distinctly said this in a Halo bulletin), so the ability that blocks your radar, disables your hearing, allows you to not move, is not only a 12 second ability, rather then the original 30 seconds. What?

Armorlock Should just be taken out of everything else but Squad Slayer, Big Team, and the final pahse in Invasion. Its an Ability that SHOULD be used to counter VEHICLES, not an ability that should be abused in Small Team Slayer games to avoid your death.

Swordblock removed? Good.
Armorlock being somewhat changed? Good.
Bloom being reduced? Good.

Would I rather have the small amount of bloom added, that I've grown used it in the 15 months, the swordblock that makes me rage from time to time, or the Default playlist?



[Edited on 02.25.2012 5:28 PM PST]

  • 02.25.2012 5:28 PM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

My stats in Halol 4

Typical Waypoint post.
no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?


Posted by: SPC COMMANDO

Posted by: RC Clone

Posted by: WhackyGordon
Posted by: eRage Sanctity
Everyone who acts elitest on here was nice when they first started posting. The problem is that its very hard to deal with people who refuse to accept tips and help when we offered it. So we gave up on trying to help by being nice, because at least being a jerk over the internet is entertaining.

Well that's -blam!-. It would be so much more fun to dive into Halo if posting on the forums didn't result in endless trolling. I probably wouldn't have spent so long playing like an idiot and actually learned to play well if I wasn't driven from discussions involving skill by dicks calling me retarded.

I'm not trolling.

When I call someone a retard those are my exact thoughts.


In short you're being an ass. Try being helpful and people might respond better.
Why should I be helpful if nobody bothers trying to get better?

"LOL DMR IS OP AR IS BALANCED"

"LOL ARMER LOCK ISN'T OP U NEED TO ADAPT"

"Y DO I NEED TO STRAFE I HAVE AR?"

I'm tired of explaining to -blam!-heads like you why this gameplay is retarded and terrible for you and your team. If you want to suffer horrible, horrible gaming experiences, remember that I tried at one point.

  • 02.25.2012 5:28 PM PDT

You can't spell GARBAGE without AR.

Ok this thread has degraded into crap. I'd better get out of here before things take a turn for the worse. I should've known though, what I was getting myself into when I get involved into forum mostly consisted of elitists and trolls.

[Edited on 02.25.2012 5:34 PM PST]

  • 02.25.2012 5:31 PM PDT

"Don't go following causes. They'll just break your heart. When idealism meets reality, it's rarely reality that backs down."

Michael Liberty, UNN

Starcraft Universe


Posted by: Gh0st is Bad

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO

Posted by: RC Clone

Posted by: WhackyGordon
Posted by: eRage Sanctity
Everyone who acts elitest on here was nice when they first started posting. The problem is that its very hard to deal with people who refuse to accept tips and help when we offered it. So we gave up on trying to help by being nice, because at least being a jerk over the internet is entertaining.

Well that's -blam!-. It would be so much more fun to dive into Halo if posting on the forums didn't result in endless trolling. I probably wouldn't have spent so long playing like an idiot and actually learned to play well if I wasn't driven from discussions involving skill by dicks calling me retarded.

I'm not trolling.

When I call someone a retard those are my exact thoughts.


In short you're being an ass. Try being helpful and people might respond better.
Why should I be helpful if nobody bothers trying to get better?

"LOL DMR IS OP AR IS BALANCED"

"LOL ARMER LOCK ISN'T OP U NEED TO ADAPT"

"Y DO I NEED TO STRAFE I HAVE AR?"

I'm tired of explaining to -blam!-heads like you why this gameplay is retarded and terrible for you and your team. If you want to suffer horrible, horrible gaming experiences, remember that I tried at one point.


You on the other hand are not just being an ass. You are actually trolling, trying to spark something up from me for your sick amusement.

Clone needs to pick and choose who he tries to convince of things, leave the stupid people be.

You on the other hand need therapy, cause you jumped straight into insulting me for no reason.

Also: DMR isn't OP, it just shouldn't be default spawn, because then it becomes a power weapon.

Armor lock is op, but with practice it can be countered.

Strafing is a part of combat regardless of the weapon.

Now go see a therapist, cause you've clearly got some issues to work out.

  • 02.25.2012 5:32 PM PDT


Posted by: SPC COMMANDO
DMR isn't OP, it just shouldn't be default spawn
woooooooooow

go away into a hole

  • 02.25.2012 5:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.


Posted by: SPC COMMANDO
Clone needs to pick and choose who he tries to convince of things, leave the stupid people be.

The stupid people are the only ones that need this stuff explained to them.

  • 02.25.2012 5:36 PM PDT

"Don't go following causes. They'll just break your heart. When idealism meets reality, it's rarely reality that backs down."

Michael Liberty, UNN

Starcraft Universe


Posted by: X El BaZzA X

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO
DMR isn't OP, it just shouldn't be default spawn
woooooooooow

go away into a hole


Wow, a tryhard who doesn't like having an advantage over everyone, and also can't read complete sentences. What a combo.

  • 02.25.2012 5:36 PM PDT

"Don't go following causes. They'll just break your heart. When idealism meets reality, it's rarely reality that backs down."

Michael Liberty, UNN

Starcraft Universe


Posted by: RC Clone

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO
Clone needs to pick and choose who he tries to convince of things, leave the stupid people be.

The stupid people are the only ones that need this stuff explained to them.


Then stop trying to explain it. Just leave em be rather than coming here and treating them like dirt. Pick your battles.

  • 02.25.2012 5:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.


Posted by: SPC COMMANDO

Posted by: X El BaZzA X

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO
DMR isn't OP, it just shouldn't be default spawn
woooooooooow

go away into a hole


Wow, a tryhard who doesn't like having an advantage over everyone, and also can't read complete sentences. What a combo.

You don't have an advantage if the other players are at the same level as you.

If anything AR starts causes an advantage because you can't kill DMR users at a distance with an AR.

If you spawn with a DMR then you can at least be a threat at more than 5 feet.

  • 02.25.2012 5:39 PM PDT

"Don't go following causes. They'll just break your heart. When idealism meets reality, it's rarely reality that backs down."

Michael Liberty, UNN

Starcraft Universe


Posted by: RC Clone

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO

Posted by: X El BaZzA X

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO
DMR isn't OP, it just shouldn't be default spawn
woooooooooow

go away into a hole


Wow, a tryhard who doesn't like having an advantage over everyone, and also can't read complete sentences. What a combo.

You don't have an advantage if the other players are at the same level as you.

If anything AR starts causes an advantage because you can't kill DMR users at a distance with an AR.

If you spawn with a DMR then you can at least be a threat at more than 5 feet.


The advantage I was talking about is this: In AR starts you all start with ARs, obviously. Now, if a player is quick enough, they can and will grab a power weapon of some kind. In AR starts, the DMR is included in that, at least for me, because having the DMR in an AR game gives you a major advantage, since no one can really engage you from a distance. Why is this bad?

  • 02.25.2012 5:41 PM PDT


Posted by: SPC COMMANDO

Posted by: X El BaZzA X

Posted by: SPC COMMANDO
DMR isn't OP, it just shouldn't be default spawn
woooooooooow

go away into a hole


Wow, a tryhard who doesn't like having an advantage over everyone, and also can't read complete sentences. What a combo.
Is all of your brain intact?

AR starts are retarded. But, I assume you don't realise this because so are you.

But let me tell you something for a fact. If you play against good players who have DMRs and you're spawning with ARs, you won't get anywhere. The same was the case in Halo 3.

  • 02.25.2012 5:41 PM PDT