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Subject: If the Covies knew Halo was a weapon, whats with the Great journey?
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I remember seeing a translated message from one of the prophets to Truth, it mentioned stuff about how they didnt trust Regret with the responsibilitys of the great journey and somwhere in the message he said the elites will do as their told and the brutes will show the humans our streangth.

  • 05.22.2006 2:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
yea thats not the first time i've seen that. i think your like the 3rd guy i've seen post that. and i don't see how it makes much sense. guilty spark said that the forerunners died as a result of firing halo as a last resort. if they could survive in the ark why wouldn't they go their and then fire it remotely.


Well what if there are survivors still in the Ark? What if a few Forerunner have survived all this time?

  • 05.22.2006 3:04 PM PDT

Facts are the enemy of tru7h....

I don't really see the contradiction between the Covenant thinking that halo is a weapon and them thinking it'll send them on a Great Journey.

Basically, the covenant ethos is that the rings will propel the worthy along the path of the great journey and destroy the unworthy. So as far as the Covenant is concerned the humans will die because they aren't worthy of the great journey, and they will be propelled along the path like the forerunners where. Hence it is both a weapon against their foes and their salvation.

The heritics found out, from 343GS, that the rings destroy all life so they rebelled.

-Stu

[Edited on 5/22/2006]

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
yea thats not the first time i've seen that. i think your like the 3rd guy i've seen post that. and i don't see how it makes much sense. guilty spark said that the forerunners died as a result of firing halo as a last resort. if they could survive in the ark why wouldn't they go their and then fire it remotely.


Well what if there are survivors still in the Ark? What if a few Forerunner have survived all this time?

If there were still forerunner in the ark they probably would have done something like, I dont know, Come out.

  • 05.22.2006 3:06 PM PDT
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I believe the prophets are trying to suppress the info about halo's being weapons. Remember the arbiter is sent to take out the heretic elites (who i believe know the truth). Prophets rule by propaganda. They cannot afford to let the truth get out. The covenant are not quite as fanatical as we first believed (otherwise there wouldn't be a civil war) so the prophets grip on the masses is quite questionable.

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A theory that i heard on this forum, was that maybe the ark sends Earth through slipspace to another galaxy. then transports it back after the rings are activated. Thus, is the meaning of the Great Journey. (just a theory)

  • 05.22.2006 3:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sleepystephen
I don't really see the contradiction between the Covenant thinking that halo is a weapon and them thinking it'll send them on a Great Journey.

Basically, the covenant ethos is that the rings will propel the worth along the path of the great journey and destroy the unworthy. So as far as the Covenant is concerned the humans will die because they aren't worth of the great journey, and they will be propelled along the path like the forerunners where. Hence it is both a weapon against their foes and their salvation.

The heritics found out, from 343GS, that the rings destroy all life so they rebelled.

-Stu


Actually that does make a lot of sense...

  • 05.22.2006 3:11 PM PDT
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i cant believe you dont know this

the covenant know it is weapon but they think that anyone who is worth will not be killed. that is the point if the covenant...any one in it will not be harmed

  • 05.22.2006 3:15 PM PDT

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come to think of it one of the prophets said that after the arbiter brought back guilty spark. it wasn't truth it was the other one.

  • 05.22.2006 3:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Homer Simspon
i cant believe you dont know this

the covenant know it is weapon but they think that anyone who is worth will not be killed. that is the point if the covenant...any one in it will not be harmed


Okay mr. Knowitall how do u explain when the prophet getting his neck attacked by a flood says "Truth is going to finish what we started, and this time none of you will be left behind."

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I believe that the prophets took the great journey way out of context. Many religions look at the transition from life to death as a voyage, maybe the prophets think the great journey is actually a transition to the next level of existence. If they did actually activate the weapon, it would definitely separate who goes to Heaven or Hell if they believe in either of those places. I really think that the prophets think activating them will take them somewhere.

  • 05.22.2006 3:27 PM PDT

Facts are the enemy of tru7h....

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Posted by: Homer Simspon
i cant believe you dont know this

the covenant know it is weapon but they think that anyone who is worth will not be killed. that is the point if the covenant...any one in it will not be harmed


Okay mr. Knowitall how do u explain when the prophet getting his neck attacked by a flood says "Truth is going to finish what we started, and this time none of you will be left behind."


He's refering to the failed attempt to start the great journey in Halo: Comabt Evolved, and the covenants campaign to destroy the humans.

-Stu

[Edited on 5/22/2006]

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I think bungie messed up. Wouldn't be the first mistake in the Halo 2 storyline.

  • 05.22.2006 3:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: SweetTRIX
yea thats not the first time i've seen that. i think your like the 3rd guy i've seen post that. and i don't see how it makes much sense. guilty spark said that the forerunners died as a result of firing halo as a last resort. if they could survive in the ark why wouldn't they go their and then fire it remotely.

I said Crappy Theory Time, I never said anywhere that it was original or that I din't borrow parts of other crackpot theories. Sure it sounded like it but that's not what I intended people to think. Sorry about the confusion.

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
come to think of it one of the prophets said that after the arbiter brought back guilty spark. it wasn't truth it was the other one.

Mercy? Or Regret? Sorry, haven't played H2 in a while.

[Edited on 5/22/2006]

  • 05.22.2006 6:32 PM PDT
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Maybe the Prophets just told him to look for something, just not what, or like a lie and contact them when he found it.

  • 05.22.2006 6:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sleepystephen
I don't really see the contradiction between the Covenant thinking that halo is a weapon and them thinking it'll send them on a Great Journey.

Basically, the covenant ethos is that the rings will propel the worthy along the path of the great journey and destroy the unworthy. So as far as the Covenant is concerned the humans will die because they aren't worthy of the great journey, and they will be propelled along the path like the forerunners where. Hence it is both a weapon against their foes and their salvation.

The heritics found out, from 343GS, that the rings destroy all life so they rebelled.

-Stu


If Truth thought the Halos would send him and all of the other "worthy" people on a Great Journey to meet their gods (Forerunners), then why did he leave Delta Halo after telling Tartarus to activate the ring? Why didn't he stay to go on the Great Journey?

  • 05.22.2006 11:35 PM PDT
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the covenant think that it is a weapon that will wipe out all the "evil" in the galaxy. you see what happens when a covenant elite finds out what the rings are really for (A.K.A. the arbiter)
they dont want any part in the "great journey"

  • 05.22.2006 11:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: MAS73R
A theory that i heard on this forum, was that maybe the ark sends Earth through slipspace to another galaxy. then transports it back after the rings are activated. Thus, is the meaning of the Great Journey. (just a theory)


I'm thinking the Ark in the game might be like the one in the Bible. Think about it, the Ark carried two of every type of animal on Earth in order to repopulate the planet. If anyone saw the movie Titan A.E. there was a ship (the Titan) that held the genetic code of everything on Earth and could teraform a barren planet into a replica of Earth where eventually organisms would begin to evolve and come back to life. What if the Forerunners built the Ark for a similar purpose? After the Halos were fired thousands of years ago, after a certain period of time in which the flood became dormant; the Ark then activated itself and sent genetic DNA across the galaxy to start life over. The Ark could even use the Halos to relay it's power.

EDIT: Nice name Soup de Jure...you do realize that "day" in French is jour not jure.

[Edited on 5/22/2006]

  • 05.22.2006 11:43 PM PDT
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Covenant want to activate the rings so that they will all go on a "great journey" and anyone who says this is wrong is heresy. The elites found out that this "great journey" was just a weapon to kill all life. The covenant leadership didn't care and stays truth to their beliefs of the "great journey' and that it is NOT death. To them.

  • 05.22.2006 11:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hobbeses
Covenant want to activate the rings so that they will all go on a "great journey" and anyone who says this is wrong is heresy. The elites found out that this "great journey" was just a weapon to kill all life. The covenant leadership didn't care and stays truth to their beliefs of the "great journey' and that it is NOT death. To them.


But why did the Prophet Truth fly away from Delta Halo when he knew Tartarus was going to activate the ring (or at least try to)? Why didn't he stay to go on the Great Journey?

  • 05.22.2006 11:51 PM PDT
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My theroy is that he was going to use the ark INCASE that tartarus failed.

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Posted by: Hobbeses
My theroy is that he was going to use the ark INCASE that tartarus failed.


That could be true, I just thought he'd at least wait to see if Tartarus succeded or not before getting the hell out of dodge.

  • 05.22.2006 11:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Lord Revan x
In the original Halo on the level Truth and Rec. when you rescue captain Keyes he informs you that he overheard his guards speak about the ring world. Keyes states that his guards spoke about how they call it "Halo" and how they believe it to be a weapon.

Then why exactly in Halo 2 do the Covenant believe the Rings to pocess some spiritual journey? The Aribiter surely would have known the rings were weapons as he was the commander of the fleet at alpha halo.

I honestly cant find an answer, other then perhaps the Arbiter never was at Halo, but commanded the Fleet from High Charity. The fleet at Halo was completely destoryed according to Cortana at the end of the original Halo which makes little sense if the Arbiter escaped in tact.

According to the novels, ships arrived on the scene of its destruction too late and began searching the remains. Perhaps that was the fleet that the Arbiter led but no one can know for sure. As it is, its kinda a flaw in the storyline, and it makes me wonder what will happen in Halo 3 reguarding the story.


note that she said "if im reading this correctly..."

also note that she only obtained proper covenant data translation software after the events of halo 1.

so, in an extreme twist of irony, she mistranslated the covenant data from something that was completely wrong into something that was semi correct.

  • 05.22.2006 11:56 PM PDT
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Just some background on Covie language:

Almost every word has multiple meanings due to their religion, so Cortana may have taken the literal meaning of the transmission or w/e (ironicaly that it is a weapon), when it really meant that halo would start he great journey yadda yadda.

Like many people have said, it is only after capturing Ascendant Justice that Cortana was able to build an accurate covienant translation dictionary, so she couldn't have known about alternate meanings of words etc...

This idea has been around for a while, I thought it would have been dropped by now.

In other news, I want more info on H3!

  • 05.23.2006 1:05 AM PDT

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