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Subject: The Bungie Waaahmbulance

Efiggy:

Your idea is good, however, not so much for a business standpoint...atleast I dont think. I dont think your idea will ever happen simply because of the number of users that the community would lose. This means less money renewing, less statistical evidence that XBL is prospering, etc.

A good idea but IMO not a feasible one. My idea is simple.... it works like real life. You can speed at 90 MPH and you may never get caught, but one day your going to drive by that cop and get caught. Having some so called online 'policemen' would almost certainly slow down the problem and very possibily end it entirely.

  • 05.30.2006 10:37 AM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

I wish I could kill people to dust...

  • 05.30.2006 12:01 PM PDT
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Cadillac:
Yeah, taking the whole "businesses need to profit" notion into account, I agree with you. However, if enough people get pissed off and quit playing Halo online, or worse, refuse to renew due to cheaters, that would also hurt the business. It's kind of a "damned of we do, damned if we don't" sort of situation, but something needs to be done.

Playing Halo 2 online used to be fun, but recently it's been nothing short of frustrating. That's the reason why I personally haven't played Halo 2 in a long time now. I don't think that my sister and her boyfriend are even using this account anymore either.

The Banhammer has helped out a bit, but, assuming that your data is or is close to the real deal, your idea is definitely damned more effective. It's a good medium between something weak like the Banhammer and something a bit too extreme like my idea.

If I were to make my idea a bit more lenient, we could use your method, and couple it with this: When the users get enough Xbox Live accounts banned, their Xbox EEPROM and hard drive serial number get banned (suspended) for a couple months. If after their suspension they get banned again, then their Xbox and hard drive are banned permanently. Then let the cheater flock to X-Link Kai and see how quickly they get banned from there too, or let them buy new hardware. ;-)

The idea is that a cheater may always be a cheater, and if they get enough accounts banned then they lose their privilege to play online for good. Using your driving example, if I accumulate enough tickets my license gets suspended. If I keep getting ticketted, my license gets revoked. ^_^

[Edited on 5/31/2006]

  • 05.30.2006 9:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: The SyNnergy
Posted by: k1LLr_M
woot 1st!
lol @ the whiney banned noobs :)


Did you know that "@" has the same amount of characters as "at" (Shift + 2)? Yeah...

self pwned

  • 05.31.2006 1:26 PM PDT

efiggy

Yea I completely agree with you.... combining the 2 seems like it would be ideal. I have brought up my idea several times and I still havent gotten a reason why it wouldnt work. The only logical thing is that they wouldnt want to direct people over to this. But either way like I have said I would put priorities in order and these forums (atleast to me) are below cheating.

They could shut this thing down and divert all of the people who moderate it to simply playing and running into cheaters.

Last night I played DT for about 4 hours and ran into 16 players that were part of a cheating team... That is atleast 8 cheaters and more of them would be bannable because you could tell they werent random people joined with a cheater.

It just bothers me that I believe that me and 5 of my friends could do 5 times what bungie has done with their banhammer if we had the ability to ban. Also you wouldnt need to be through and investigate. All the evidence is right before your eyes.

[Edited on 6/1/2006]

  • 06.01.2006 9:47 AM PDT
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heh heh, I've been reading through the emails and stuff and that is funny, heh. Cheating should be given more of a financial penalty than a ban... That would make some people think twice. And if rich kids are caught cheating a lot, they might be paying $15000 a month just because heh heh. Now, that would be my take on cheating and punishment...

  • 06.01.2006 7:37 PM PDT

Sigs are stupid.

I want to see the Waaaambulance as a weekly column in the update.

  • 06.01.2006 8:03 PM PDT

Strider you still have one problem... actually catching the cheaters. Also im not sure if bungie would even be allowed to do something like charge 15,000.... im not sure law would premit that.

  • 06.01.2006 11:07 PM PDT

Posted by: Bee Boy
I want to see the Waaaambulance as a weekly column in the update.


Yea and I want to see somethng actually done about cheating. I could care less for their article about 10 people whining.

  • 06.01.2006 11:08 PM PDT
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LOL ok from reading reports and replies.. it appears that the problem is not even KNOWN. i will say this only once.... YOU CAN HAVE YOUR ACCOUNT STOLEN.... all the person needs is your gamertag. Then they call up to xbox live with some BS story about "oh i change my account info and my xbox won't let me" and xbox live tech support FEEDS them your account info so all they do is enter it in the xbox. "oh i forgot what i put for my email... what account did i have on there?" Its a common modders trick. They don't need a 2 month.. They just take someones account and mod on it. Reading the article... thats why i started busting out laughing is because its like you are in a tank of sharks and they are circling you and you are asking someone to pull you up out of the water and the person is just laughing at you saying "what sharks?" then you get attacked and eaten. *shakes head* so many problems. there needs to be more security on peoples accounts. you should have a secret pasword or a secret question or something with your profile... either that or xbox live needs to just say "sorry... i can not give that information out". Until then innocent people will keep losing their accounts and getting banned. *shrugs* i guess this is the "ultimate gaming experience"? I am not laying blame on bungie... mostly on microsoft for not protecting people info better. I have been told by people that they have stolen people accounts. never done it myself. I have a 360 so i can just get a month if i wanted to do anything that would be cheating. I don't like playing match making. Only with my friends in custom games. I enjoy good game of custom dodgeball (FFA oddball, rockets primary weapon) on midship. Very exciting. with about 10 or more people. Sometimes rockets KOTH but give everyone overshields on midship. but yeah... the main tip... don't play with anyone you don't feel you can trust. Account stealing is real and not some laughin joking matter and if you think it is, don't come crying when you lose yours to someone calling up xbox live to get your info to mod on your account.

  • 06.02.2006 2:29 PM PDT

Hmm im glad you only said it once... however, although im sure it has been done stealing an account is a VERY very rare thing. That is hardly the problem with any of this. And in my opinion it is rediculous for you to even think that.

  • 06.02.2006 5:08 PM PDT
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Rebel Kill81 wrote:
"...they call up to xbox live with some BS story about "oh i change my account info and my xbox won't let me" and xbox live tech support FEEDS them your account info so all they do is enter it in the xbox. "oh i forgot what i put for my email..."

You know what? The few times that I have called Xbox Live support, you want to know what they did? They asked for the last four digits of my credit card number. Want to know what else they did? Asked for the home address info.

Unless some random kid happens to know my last four digits AND where I live, I'm pretty safe from somebody stealing my account eh? And if somebody DID know that info, I'd be more concerned about identity theft, not my Xbox Live account. ;-)

So Cadillac, you say you've brought up the idea several times... did you contact Bungie, Microsoft, or both? I'm curious because I may want to give it a shot. I wonder if we could get enough people to petition or something too...

Oh yeah! One more thing -- you said these forums are moderated quite a bit -- if that's the case, I agree with you on cheating being a higher priority than moderating these forums.

  • 06.02.2006 7:10 PM PDT
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beepin hilarious what these loser cheaters try to come up with, great for some laughs

  • 06.03.2006 9:07 AM PDT
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if you really want to mod halo, then get halo ce for the pc and play coldsnap

  • 06.03.2006 9:19 AM PDT
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A simple way for you to never have to go through being cheated in a game: quit from a game with cheaters/modders. Yes, I know "but I'll lose my level!1!!11one!1one1." You know what? It is a number. The fate of the universe does not depend on you having a 35 next to your name instead of a 40. Learn not to care. You will have alot more fun while playing Halo 2 if you play to have fun. wierd how it works that way isn't it?

Bungie is working on getting rid of cheaters, but I have come to the conclusion that, regardless of the people being banned, more and more people are cheating in matchmaking. Also, the idiots that leave feedback because they got owned by a legit player aren't helping the process.

  • 06.03.2006 1:16 PM PDT
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I think it's cute that the cheaters are begging for a second chance and that they did not do it. Now they got what they deserved...I mean sure cheating may be fun to some people but its a game. Some people go on Halo 2 to relax with friends and not get agrivated by people who have no skill what so ever. So to all the moders out there....GET A LIFE AND go cry in your happy places.

  • 06.03.2006 5:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: k1LLr_M


omg 6-23 is my b-day and im gonna get 360 and halo 2!!! omg!!!!!!1 and same icon!!!!!!

  • 06.03.2006 7:38 PM PDT
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I agree with Packman912. You all take this game way too seriously. Thats all it is, is a game. Something to relax you and to have fun with. Who the heck cares about ranking in the real world? Bungie isn't going to hire you because you were a level 55 in Halo, nobody will for that matter. Its just a game. Have fun with it and when you play with modders, just quit.

But I have to say I agree with one idea on here that I have read. Have people that work for Bungie play online and ban all of the cheaters they run across. The programs help but this is a quicker solution. Online Police

  • 06.05.2006 6:49 PM PDT
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I gave up a long time ago trying to prove my innocense. If 99% of the people are saying they are innocent, when they really are guilty, and I'm saying I'm innocent, who's going to believe me? I say the hell with it and move on. There are other games out there to play.

A good thing about my banishment is that it has made me more productive, I even read more. I've also recently finished an online class I was taking, something I once thought impossible due to my Halo-Live addiction. :-)

  • 06.06.2006 12:39 PM PDT
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I sent you a PM. Can you ensure that Wired Reflex was cheating please?

  • 06.06.2006 11:25 PM PDT
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For the people telling the wrongfully banned to shut up, put yourselves in our shoes. I was most likely banned due to the modders giving ME bad feedback because I would try to make their lives hard by killing myself over and over when I got placed in a team with them. I guess that backfired......

[Edited on 6/6/2006]

  • 06.06.2006 11:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: SA1YAN
For all the people that have gotten banned for no reason.... SHUT THE FU*K UP!
Hmm let me think here, yes BUNGiE is banning people from matchmaking.... wonder why... you cheated, I dont think that BUNGiE ( a branch of MICROSOFT) would make such a mistake as to ban this many people. Also if BUNGiE didnt ban you and XBOX Live did, and you still didnt cheat, and you still say you dont talk trash, well then you must be one of the most unfortunate souls on xbox live that everyone dispises , so they leave bad feedback just to -blam!- with you, cause you know that everyone on XBL hates you , we have secret meeting and pick out gamertags " Hey guys lets mess with this kid today, that will be funner than actually playing the game..." You guys are losers that have violated terms of agreement... And it's funny... there is more than one XBL game, ( meaning more than H2) but yet you guys still b*tch to BUNGiE if you get banned from xbox live... that must mean you were doing something wrong in their game??


Think about it guys... Use your brain. Or does someone have to put a modchip on the back of your head to give you an I.Q. above 60?


Yeah, you wouldn't think they'd make this mistake until it happened to YOU. I was baffled when I tried to play again and I was banned. If they don't unban me within the next few days I guess I will just have to get a new GT and lose 7,000+ achievement points because Bungie is too proud to admit they made a mistake. I LOVE H2's multiplayer and I play it for the challenge. I guess they can rejoice in the fact that they are making my friends who are behind me in achievements happy.

  • 06.06.2006 11:54 PM PDT
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Its good they got banned and all, but you probably shouldn't make fun of them. I mean its not their fault they're complete idiots and suck at spelling.

By the way I am a modder who is banned, and i want to be banned so I cant cheat.

  • 06.07.2006 1:52 PM PDT
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Hello I am a MODDER, NOT A CHEATER. Yes there is a difference. I dont cheat i play modded custom games.

  • 06.07.2006 2:00 PM PDT
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Bwahaha, they should have included the actual gamertags. I would've laughed to see someone who modded against me in the past. The funny thing is that alot of modders/standbyers are stupid, because the majority of them are 12~14-year-olds who are spoiled and sit at home playing Halo all day long, and they're probably crying because they got banned. I don't think I've heard a single modder to date that didn't sound like a little girl.

  • 06.08.2006 4:03 PM PDT