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Subject: Harassment in the Gaming Community (Specifically Bungie)

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While there is such a thing as healthy trash talking, many people, when protected by the anonymity of the internet, take it too far. They cross the line from "you're bad" to harassing the people there, and even though I don't think that too many people take XBL talk too seriously it can create a hostile gaming environment.

  • 02.29.2012 12:30 PM PDT

yas334229812

For some reason i think sexism is one of the biggest problem online, a girl or if not, and it sounds kind of alot more vulgar than normal.

Racism also happens with them using racist words, etc.

Certain vulgar should not be allowed, and if people do not stop soon they will be recording whatever we say on xbox live. And use it to hand out punishment. If certain groups force them to do so.

  • 02.29.2012 12:31 PM PDT

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~ I hate, therefore I am. ~


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umad?
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I was hoping someone would provide some decent comic relief in this thread.


Leave it to Hal... ;) lol

  • 02.29.2012 12:35 PM PDT

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Seems to me it is just an amplified high school bully system applied to online gaming. I say high school bully system due to the self esteem issues most of them face. Apply that same problem to the gaming world on someone who believes they are a god online in games and you get the same result. Now combine that to arrogant immature teenagers who are still in that "im invincible" stage, and you get the OP (not the poster the story therein)

Unfortunately such is a part of life. Bungie's games are no exception. But I believe the true Bungie fans are much more civilized and respectful than the Halo fan only players. Harassment does happen on Bnet but thanks to moderation it is generally dealt with.

  • 02.29.2012 12:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: risay_117
For some reason i think sexism is one of the biggest problem online, a girl or if not, and it sounds kind of alot more vulgar than normal.

You know the worst part about this? It's a no-win situation. If you ignore them, they keep pressing the issue until you have no choice but to react. If you sit there and take it, they take it to mean whatever blam they're talking is true. If you try to defend yourself, they play what I like to call the "kitchen card" and use centuries-outdated chauvanistic arguments to remind you how low a life-form you are in their eyes. You can't fight people like that, because there's no consequence to teach them that acting like misogynistic pricks is not okay.

Sorry for the rant. I'm usually pretty good at dealing with it on a personal level, but it's both saddening and infuriating that (like the article in the OP said) some people honestly think it's okay to act like that because it's part of the culture. That's what people used to think about racial segregation. Yes, that is a much more oppressive and terrible circumstance (and I don't mean to make light of it), but the similarity in ideology is... disturbing.

  • 02.29.2012 12:48 PM PDT

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This thread would have appealed to me more if it was written with crayons.
Posted by: King Dutchy
I broke one of the cords for my X11s because I couldn't get past the final American course in Doritos Crash Course.

Totally depends on the individual. I think its difficult to be offended playing a computer game since the person trying to insult you doesn't know you, the closest they can get to the truth is insulting the way you play and I think the vast majority of people dont take computer games seriously enough to be truly offended by "Oh my god you -blam!- suck".
Racism and sexism isn't something I have to deal with but that is really the only thing I can think off that could be truely offensive while playing online.
I can only really speak as an FPS player, but I dont see that side of trash-talking very often at all.

  • 02.29.2012 12:50 PM PDT

yas334229812


Posted by: MsCadetUNIVERSE
Posted by: risay_117
For some reason i think sexism is one of the biggest problem online, a girl or if not, and it sounds kind of alot more vulgar than normal.

You know the worst part about this? It's a no-win situation. If you ignore them, they keep pressing the issue until you have no choice but to react. If you sit there and take it, they take it to mean whatever blam they're talking is true. If you try to defend yourself, they play what I like to call the "kitchen card" and use centuries-outdated chauvanistic arguments to remind you how low a life-form you are in their eyes. You can't fight people like that, because there's no consequence to teach them that acting like misogynistic pricks is not okay.

Sorry for the rant. I'm usually pretty good at dealing with it on a personal level, but it's both saddening and infuriating that (like the article in the OP said) some people honestly think it's okay to act like that because it's part of the culture. That's what people used to think about racial segregation. Yes, that is a much more oppressive and terrible circumstance (and I don't mean to make light of it), but the similarity in ideology is... disturbing.

Hope steps can be taken to really hurt them.

  • 02.29.2012 12:51 PM PDT

Yeah, I believe the way all people relate to each other in most circumstances would be better if people had a more respectful attitude.

There isn't enough class to go around though.

Posted by: Gert B Frobe
I believe the quality of online gaming would be greatly increased if young males would learn how to be more respectful towards each other.

  • 02.29.2012 12:53 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Competitive behavior is a good thing, absolutely. And there are times when getting aggressive is entirely acceptable. There are limits, however. Under all the layers of competitive attitudes, there is a foundation of having a good time while playing. If competitive attitudes get to a point where it completely overshadows all other aspects, then it's a problem.

Of course, this cannot be prevented. You can't enforce good, fair behavior in real time. That's just unrealistic. What you can do, however, is reward good behavior and punish bad. For example, this child in the giantbomb.com article speaks only for himself, and not for the entirety of the fighting game community. He has no basis for making claims as to what the fighting game is or prefers. Thus, it is the job of the community, and the developers, to trim out the fat and be rid of him if they see him as being hostile component to their community. The only barriers that exist are those that are self-induced, when individuals fail to act as they should.

When the Bungie Day celebration a few years back was detailed as being entirely about alcohol and binge drinking, a public apology was made to the community. It wasn't floundered over or defended; they just did what was right. No one made a fuss over the issue afterwards, and so few people probably even remember it happening. Groups get so caught up in the moment and fear standing out against an aggressor, that they forget that, whether things go good or bad, no one is probably going to remember your actions in a few years anyways.

  • 02.29.2012 1:30 PM PDT

Posted by: Implausible
Most girls I've been with were hesitant about taking it in the mouth. But once they did most would swallow. I got tons of compliments on the taste.

I think it's because of my diet. No fast food, no alcohol and lots of fruit.

Lightweights need to man up. If you can't handle name-calling you just might be -blam!-.

  • 02.29.2012 1:35 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: Arsenal ATX
Lightweights need to man up. If you can't handle name-calling you just might be -blam!-.

^This man does not speak for me.

  • 02.29.2012 1:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

My feeling on the subject is, if you are on the internet, either surfing the web or using it to play video games online, you need to be prepared to face some offensive material and people. It's all part of the package. Bottom line is when your on the internet you are going to have to grow a thicker skin, why would you allow an internet tough guy to get to you?

We can't just start censoring certain parts that we find distasteful simply because someone might be offended.

  • 02.29.2012 1:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: spawn031
Posted by: supertripon
Trash talking's part of the fun for me.

Eh, you'll grow out of it. Unless you're Butane ;)

stfu scrub!

  • 02.29.2012 1:51 PM PDT

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True harassment with the intent to harm others is poison in the gaming community. I do my fair share of trash talking, but in a joking manor. I've never intended to hurt anyone and I think everyone is chill enough online to take it in stride and get a good laugh.

  • 02.29.2012 1:52 PM PDT

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well, no trash talking. END OF STORY

  • 02.29.2012 1:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan1065
My feeling on the subject is, if you are on the internet, either surfing the web or using it to play video games online, you need to be prepared to face some offensive material and people. It's all part of the package. Bottom line is when your on the internet you are going to have to grow a thicker skin, why would you allow an internet tough guy to get to you?

We can't just start censoring certain parts that we find distasteful simply because someone might be offended.


No, but there's a difference betwen censoring something and simply pretending that it dosen't exist or that it isn't a problem.

Instead of going afteer the people who are offended, find out what it is that's causing them to be offended. 'Offended' isn't a dirty word. Maybe games would advance more if we could get rid of that 'antisocial and annoying teen male' stereotype.

  • 02.29.2012 1:59 PM PDT

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~Long Live Halo 2
Only regret is I didn't play more of it.

If you haven't noticed by now, I'm sort of a jerk.

There is no honor in video games, I fully expect to be hurled with trash talking in every lobby. It goes hand in hand with gaming in general. Me calling someone bad at a game is not harassment, it's clear-cut trash talk. Unfortunately, some people don't understand the difference and mix up the two.

  • 02.29.2012 2:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: LongMasterWolf
So where is the line between trash-talking and harassment?

Certainly. The line exists within you, as the player.

Trash talking among friends is harmless. You can throw a verbal taunt intended to ignite their competitive spirit or provoke them to make a mistake. With the right sense of humor, you can even accomplish this with opponents that you encounter in matchmaking.

Harrassment occurs when those comments stop being part of a healthy rivaly, and start being a means of making someone feel bad about themselves. Use whatever words you want: shaming, griefing. At that point, you stop being a worthy opponent, and enter the realm of the bully or the sore loser.

The clan that I always played Halo (and other games) with assigned a great deal of value to the notion of sportsmanship. I will not claim that we were always perfect, but we always entered a game with the best of intentions. If we won, we afforded our opponents their dignity. If we lost, we admired the success of the victor - assuming they conducted themselves in a manner that was deserving of our respect.

Sorry for the long post. This topic is near and dear.

  • 02.29.2012 2:14 PM PDT

When I grow up I want to be bitter and spiteful.

"i liked the reality where everything was on fire better"
-legato on remedial chaos theory

Is there another article that this is referencing? If not, it's very poorly structured and certainly not worth reading, especially with the transcripts which could be best described as childish.

  • 02.29.2012 2:22 PM PDT

@spawn031

"So much of what we do is ephemeral and quickly forgotten, even by ourselves, so it's gratifying to have something you have done linger in people's memories." John Williams

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Posted by: spawn031
Posted by: supertripon
Trash talking's part of the fun for me.

Eh, you'll grow out of it. Unless you're Butane ;)

stfu scrub!

nou

  • 02.29.2012 2:36 PM PDT

Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Is there another article that this is referencing? If not, it's very poorly structured and certainly not worth reading, especially with the transcripts which could be best described as childish.


The article has a link to the video where the incident that sparked this debate occurred. As for the transcripts, you can't blame the journalist for what the people said he's just reporting what was stated. Here are two different articles centering on what was discussed on GiantBomb. One Two


Posted by: Arsenal ATX
Lightweights need to man up. If you can't handle name-calling you just might be -blam!-.


This is the attitude that needs to be crushed, same with the, "well this is just how it is". We shouldn't have to just suck it up and deal with it, there should be more light shined on this fact if the gaming community wishes to be taken as seriously as the rest of entertainment.

[Edited on 02.29.2012 3:03 PM PST]

  • 02.29.2012 3:00 PM PDT

Posted by: spartain ken 15
I would say I am one of the most successful trolls in Bungie.net history.

It's the internet...

If you let people get under your skin via the internet then you have bigger problems you should deal with.

I tend to save my trash talk for when someone else starts it. I actually find it rather funny just how upset you can make a person over a video game.

Honestly, I'm a little disappointed this is even a topic of discussion within the gaming community. You're always going to have sore losers and those that boast, that's going to be in anything that has a winner and loser. Simply put, it is what it is.

  • 02.29.2012 3:19 PM PDT


Posted by: Anti Gov420
It's the internet...

If you let people get under your skin via the internet then you have bigger problems you should deal with.

I tend to save my trash talk for when someone else starts it. I actually find it rather funny just how upset you can make a person over a video game.

Honestly, I'm a little disappointed this is even a topic of discussion within the gaming community. You're always going to have sore losers and those that boast, that's going to be in anything that has a winner and loser. Simply put, it is what it is.


There's a difference between being a sore loser and being berated because of your race, gender, or -blam!- orientation.

  • 02.29.2012 3:22 PM PDT

Posted by: spartain ken 15
I would say I am one of the most successful trolls in Bungie.net history.


Posted by: LongMasterWolf

Posted by: Anti Gov420
It's the internet...

If you let people get under your skin via the internet then you have bigger problems you should deal with.

I tend to save my trash talk for when someone else starts it. I actually find it rather funny just how upset you can make a person over a video game.

Honestly, I'm a little disappointed this is even a topic of discussion within the gaming community. You're always going to have sore losers and those that boast, that's going to be in anything that has a winner and loser. Simply put, it is what it is.


There's a difference between being a sore loser and being berated because of your race, gender, or -blam!- orientation.
I do not condone racism or any of that stuff. You have to keep in mind that it's the internet. As pathetic as racism is you still have it and the internet is no different. The internet is anonymous and people act out in all sorts of ways. The good thing about the internet is that you have the ability to end a conversation at any point and time you desire.

The bottom line here is that you will always have rude obnoxious people because they're people.

  • 02.29.2012 3:43 PM PDT

It's a shame it is against the rules to call you out on your rank, seeing as how the level you play at greatly affects the opinions you hold (on gameplay). Generally, if you are bad - Your opinions are wrong, and your argument is invalid.

GG

I think people who are emotionally affected by the words of some 15 year old over the internet need to take a a good long look at themselves.

While I can understand being pissed at racist or sexist language, at the end of the day, they are just the angry words from some butthurt kid who you will never meet in your life. Personally, I find the things people have said about me to be completely meaningless, seeing as they are from someone who only knows me in the context of a video game.

Things said over a game shouldn't be seen as meaning anything - except maybe as evidence for bad parenting.

[Edited on 02.29.2012 3:59 PM PST]

  • 02.29.2012 3:55 PM PDT

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