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i dont understand. Elites could verywell be reclaimers, you just never see it from their perspective. why do you think gravemind regards both Arbiter and MC in the same regard?

  • 05.22.2006 9:08 PM PDT
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Actually my knowledge of the theroy of evotlution suggest that we were quite like we are now not all that long ago. I belive my source suggested that we had been around for approxamently 33 million years.

P.S. Please excuse any spelling and/or grammatical errors present in my sentances. I'm rather tired as of this moment and have decided not to place much effort into my word construcion.

  • 05.22.2006 9:12 PM PDT
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Yes, Halo 3 should answer all of our questions. But where is the fun in that, huh? Speculation is wonderful thing.

  • 05.22.2006 9:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hitodama Kaiken
Yes, Halo 3 should answer all of our questions. But where is the fun in that, huh? Speculation is wonderful thing.


not when people get worked up and act like little children arguing over who was a better super hero. Superman or Batman?

**The above was not meant to start a side comment, but to prove a point. Please do not discuss who is a better super hero.**

  • 05.22.2006 9:15 PM PDT
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I hope not, what a stupid cliche to throw into the story.

  • 05.22.2006 9:17 PM PDT
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Its not arguing when you disagree :)

**btw, Batman > Superman. He kicked his butt**

  • 05.22.2006 9:17 PM PDT
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Indeed. Arguing is not in anyway constructive. ...Wow... I just went blank... Nevermind. lol.

  • 05.22.2006 9:19 PM PDT
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The forerunners were human, id like to prove this via the book "The Flood" If i may, in the part where he had to go up to the platform to extend the light bridge in the underground caverns of the level "Halo" . It mentioned it seemed fimiliar to him when he went to touch the light panel expecting his finger to go through it. And if you look real close at the cheif's armor you can see a small resembelence of "Forerunner" Metal Paterns also seen on Cario and the Malta.

  • 05.22.2006 9:20 PM PDT
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The gravemind did hold them in the same regard, you're right, but he never called either of them reclaimer. How would he know what a reclaimer is, anyway? The moniter he held up only called MC a reclaimer, not the arbiter.

  • 05.22.2006 9:21 PM PDT
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mc was also the first one he saw.

gravemind knows

  • 05.22.2006 9:23 PM PDT
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Exactly! You're right! And like i stated in the original post, when Fred looks at some forerunner symbols, he says that they look a lot like Aztec ones.

  • 05.22.2006 9:23 PM PDT
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Well, I can't wait for Halo 3 to come out, and prove you *ALL* wrong when they show that the forerunners were really Flood!

  • 05.22.2006 9:24 PM PDT
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Soooo...? He got a look at the arbiter, too. "Sigh". You are obviously someone with the mind of a child, unwilling to see the truth even when all the evidence is right in front of you.

  • 05.22.2006 9:25 PM PDT
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Riiiightttt...

  • 05.22.2006 9:26 PM PDT
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now now, age discrimination isn't fair.

  • 05.22.2006 9:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Insane ODST
Soooo...? He got a look at the arbiter, too. "Sigh". You are obviously someone with the mind of a child, unwilling to see the truth even when all the evidence is right in front of you.


i find it funny that your saying i have the mind of a child when your the one that called me an idiot, while i have said nothing. please stop.

nope. just looked at it now. Tangent only looks at the MC.

  • 05.22.2006 9:32 PM PDT
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Look who's talking.

  • 05.22.2006 9:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Deox
Well, I can't wait for Halo 3 to come out, and prove you *ALL* wrong when they show that the forerunners were really Flood!

From my knowledge of the Halo relm, The Forerunners were all powerful. But only one thing came between them and ultimate power, Death. The Forerunners tried to create eternal youth and just ended up with the mutations we call the flood. I can't remember where i got this tidbit of info, i tried to look but i gave up. Any ways, the Forerunners are in a way the flood, just like we are supposedly just a bunch of mutated monkeys: if you believe in evoulution. And on the Forerunner human idea. I'm in favor of it. I do believe that it's very possible that the Forerunners have came in a so called "arc" to earth and lived hidden from the flood until they eventually came to be humans. Or it's also quite possible that earth could have at one time been the Forerunners home world and like halo, is a giant metal structure with the "artifact" in the Halo 3 teaser mearly being that of a hanger door. It's not for us or me to decide what it really is. Bungie has masterminds behind everything with every detail having a meaning. It's up to them as to how this whole thing meshes togther. When Halo 3 comes out, some people will be " i told you so" where as others might just be "oh, i guess that works." We'll just have to wait and see.



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  • 05.22.2006 9:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Insane ODST
A few months ago I was replaying Halo and Halo 2, when a thought struck me. Were the Forerunners humans? It may sound crazy, but I’ll explain my reasoning. In Halo, in the last level, the Maw, if you get to the part where the Chief and Cortana are about to remotely make the Autumn’s engines go critical from the bridge, you hear 343 Guilty sparks voice. At one point he says this, “… how exciting it is to have a record of all of OUR lost time.” OUR time. Guilty Spark was made by the Forerunners. So why is he saying our lost time, which would mean that the humans were the Forerunners? Except the Forerunners destroyed themselves, right… Also, in the Halo book “First Strike”, when the SPARTANS are in a series of giant caverns in the planet Reach, one of them, Fred, notices a bunch of Forerunner symbols look nearly exactly like ancient Aztec symbols, which are found on earth. The next thing is this: why are humans the only beings who can be used as reclaimers? Why not one of the thousands of Covenant walking around? And what are reclaimers supposed to reclaim, anyway? Well, if you’re using the humans=forerunners theory, it makes sense. Humans could only be the reclaimers because Monitors would recognize them as the only species capable of using Forerunner tech (even though Covenant can use it too). Reclaimers are probably supposed to reclaim the galaxy from the flood by depriving it of its only natural food source. And now, ladies and gentlemen, the grande finale: At the conclusion of Halo 2 we learn that there is a primary firing center, a place that could remotely activate all the rings, which were built by the forerunners. This place is earth, where humans live. The E3 trailer of Halo 3 confirmed that there is indeed such a place, and this place looks exactly like the firing centers for all of the rings, which were built by the Forerunners. In my opinion, Forerunner tech on earth can only mean one thing: that the Forerunners were humans. The only problem with that is that the Forerunners were presumably wiped out, but humans are a very adaptable species, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they somehow survived. I also think that what Dr.Halsey found had something to do with this, and that that is the reason she ran off with Kelly.

P.S. If this were true, that means that all the Covenant would end up worshipping humans... cool.
-dv321


here is more to your theory if you read the books you know the only creatures that devolpe thier own teck in this war is humans now if we apply this knowledge to the forerunner/human theory and imprvise a little we can renew this theory wich follows

what if the forerunners were the current day covies and humans were there leaders we would design the teck (knowing were the only ones who desgin thier own teck) and pass it through the ranks what if the profets grew jelus and wanted our status as the leaders, then the flood appered humans and profets were were commaders and the rest were infantry as the battle progrossed more and more live were lost and humans jioned the infantry each race was weakend so the profets and the rest fled,
humans built the rings as there last hope then we built the ark and had to hide there and remote actavate the rings the civies were sent to the ark when the humans were all but gone they activated the rings each race exept the profets (only race not in battle) had to start anew the profets traked down every race (exept humans who they hate) and UNLEASHED them on us using our old teck

  • 05.22.2006 9:35 PM PDT
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Ok. Im done posting in this thread.

  • 05.22.2006 9:35 PM PDT
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I haven't yet read the books, no bookstore within a fifty mile radius of my house has ever heard of them.
If what you are saying (human-only creator of weapon) is true, then your story could very so be true. They could have quite possibly been a Human-covenant relationship. That may be why Bungie had us play on both sides in Halo 2. But answer me this. Why would the blood thirsty prophets wait so long before attacking the humans. As all the years passed, wouldn't the knowledge of the human race's existance have been wiped out of their memory, thus why they had no knowledge that earth was are home world. But this arises another question. With the teaser trailer, the covenant were swarming over the artifact, and when we left Halo 2, the covenant were in a civil war. Is it possible that in our relationship with the Arbiter, we have united to fight the prophets (or other enemies) or that the prophets have known of the arc and have just been trying to get us out of the way? Back to your story. Sure, the flood had weakened the races, but without Human or Covenant to feast upon. Why didn't they get wiped out as well. Plus, if they had remotly activated the rings, then why would the rings still be in existance. If us, as the humans, are so afraid of the ring activation, then why would there be no known damages caused. As in Halo 2, the ring had a part of it that was flood free, when just over the wall was floodtopia. Had this ring been fired, to what we believe it's capable of, the flood would be gone, and if they had remotly activated the ring, then why was there a need for the wall?


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Posted by: wezzrocks
I haven't yet read the books, no bookstore within a fifty mile radius of my house has ever heard of them.
If what you are saying (human-only creator of weapon) is true, then your story could very so be true. They could have quite possibly been a Human-covenant relationship. That may be why Bungie had us play on both sides in Halo 2. But answer me this. Why would the blood thirsty prophets wait so long before attacking the humans. As all the years passed, wouldn't the knowledge of the human race's existance have been wiped out of their memory. Sure, the flood had weakened the races, but without Human or Covenant to feast upon. Why didn't they get wiped out as well. Plus, if they had remotly activated the rings, then why would the rings still be in existance. If us, as the humans, are so afraid of the ring activation, then why would there be no known damages caused. As in Halo 2, the ring had a part of it that was flood free, when just over the wall was floodtopia. Had this ring been fired, to what we believe it's capable of, the flood would be gone, and if they had remotly activated the ring, then why was there a need for the wall?


good questins thers has ben no othere evedince i can find to anser your question exept maybe the profets dident attack becouse they were securing our teck while the others recover

  • 05.22.2006 10:10 PM PDT
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dont forget that the halo rings dont explode, but cause a pulse that wipes out all life. They dont go boom taking out everything. Just creatures with enough biomass to sustain the flood.

And dude, it's "tech" if it's anything.

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Posted by: wezzrocks
I haven't yet read the books, no bookstore within a fifty mile radius of my house has ever heard of them.
If what you are saying (human-only creator of weapon) is true, then your story could very so be true. They could have quite possibly been a Human-covenant relationship. That may be why Bungie had us play on both sides in Halo 2. But answer me this. Why would the blood thirsty prophets wait so long before attacking the humans. As all the years passed, wouldn't the knowledge of the human race's existance have been wiped out of their memory, thus why they had no knowledge that earth was are home world. But this arises another question. With the teaser trailer, the covenant were swarming over the artifact, and when we left Halo 2, the covenant were in a civil war. Is it possible that in our relationship with the Arbiter, we have united to fight the prophets (or other enemies) or that the prophets have known of the arc and have just been trying to get us out of the way? Back to your story. Sure, the flood had weakened the races, but without Human or Covenant to feast upon. Why didn't they get wiped out as well. Plus, if they had remotly activated the rings, then why would the rings still be in existance. If us, as the humans, are so afraid of the ring activation, then why would there be no known damages caused. As in Halo 2, the ring had a part of it that was flood free, when just over the wall was floodtopia. Had this ring been fired, to what we believe it's capable of, the flood would be gone, and if they had remotly activated the ring, then why was there a need for the wall?


maybe we were intristed in the flood as we are terrified so we created 343 and the rest to study/sustian them

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