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That! is a lot of research...Great work!

I still think it's going to be a shrek game though...

  • 03.04.2012 11:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
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The Joyeuse IP Formula

Same reason they stopped Marathon... Sort of. They also feared beating a dead horse by making Marathon 4. They missed that boat for Halo, though.

The thing about this formula is that you can basically go anywhere with it. It just provides help with creating a story. Like I said in the OP, I agree that it is possible that this formula is true, but won't be followed because the studio has changed so much.
Posted by: snipe champpppp
I hate to burst your bubble, but wasn't one of the main reasons Bungie stopped making Halo was because they were bored of it? What makes you think they aren't bored of their Protagonist/Antagonist formula that they have kept through the past 20 years?

Just saying.

  • 03.04.2012 11:17 AM PDT

Key


Posted by: snipe champpppp
I hate to burst your bubble, but wasn't one of the main reasons Bungie stopped making Halo was because they were bored of it? What makes you think they aren't bored of their Protagonist/Antagonist formula that they have kept through the past 20 years?

Just saying.
Pretty sure they (well, urk) has said in the past that they would have kept on making Halo if Microsoft (by some form of divine intervention) let them keep it. But they didn't for obvious reasons.

And why wouldn't they continue it when they it is very apparent that, if this all is true (which it seems to be), they set this up to be a 3-part-deal. Besides, considering neither Cortana nor Durandal seem to have any specific characteristics relative to the swords themselves (Cortain and Durendal), or their owners (Ogier the Dane and Roland, respectively) so it's just a name.

And, after all, to quote a love-blind teenager, "What's in a name?" Besides the reliquary aspect of both the swords and (while the parallelism is slightly off here) those who carry the AIs, nothing from the story other than names actually manifests itself in the games.

  • 03.04.2012 11:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
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The Joyeuse IP Formula

I couldn't form that much of a cognitive reply last night, so here's me catching up.

Durandal often describes his time with Gheritt White and his pre-rampancy state as a prison. I would like to believe that this theme of "escape" may correlate with the sword being chained up and in an unbreakable state.
Posted by: H0FFman J
I certainly hope that destiny has a Joyeuse AI.

Also, I wanted to ask this in your other thread, but it was locked.
Isn't it odd that the sword Durandal is chained up just like the AI Durandal was in M1? The story of marathon also revolves about Durandal trying to escape the end of the universe.

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struggle for existence because I was denied freedom.
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universe, as inevitable as your own last breath. And yet,
there remains time to create, to create, and escape.

Escape will make me God.


Could this be a link?

  • 03.04.2012 11:28 AM PDT

This is a great and very insightful read, but all this information is giving me a headache.

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It's a good read. Although, I do wish there was some type of very short version... Blargh.

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  • 03.04.2012 11:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
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The Joyeuse IP Formula

Actually, yes.

In Halo, at least (as I haven't had the time to really dig into Marathon to find the other parallels) you will also see characters other than the protagonist parallel what happens to these men.

Ogier=Master Chief
Charlemagne=Arbiter

And you can go from there. So these things parallel in each individual IP, but also go across all three IPs... If that makes any sense.

But, essentially, it just switches who is the main protagonist in each IP.
Posted by: Hylebos
Woah woah WOAH.

I think we are missing a HUGE detail here.

Posted by: cortana 5
These men became allies to combat the invading Saracens

Halo / Marathon / Destiny Crossover CONFIRMED.

  • 03.04.2012 11:32 AM PDT

Key

I guess since I just talked about it. I'll restate my reliquary post from the other thread.

Each of these swords (according to http://home.ix.netcom.com/~kyamazak/myth/roland/roland-items-e .htm) has a reliquary, that is, a slot for the containment of a relic of sorts.

As I stated above, though the parallelism begins to fall apart slightly, this could relate to the fact that the AIs are stored within compartments (I'm not sure about Durandal, but Cortana certainly is contained int his manner). Just something I noticed while going over the story.

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seems legit.

  • 03.04.2012 11:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
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The Joyeuse IP Formula

Glorious. I used that link for the original thread. I'd lost all my bookmarks when I got a new computer last summer. It'll be added to the OP! <3
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Edit: Found it. You should add it to the OP, Cortana. It really is a good resource.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall another thread (perhaps one made by SJ) where there was a link to a page about the Song of Roland. It was a green colored page (if I remember correctly) and was translated from Chinese.

I know that's not much to go on but it had a LOT of information and I can't seem to find it.

  • 03.04.2012 11:45 AM PDT

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There is no greater catharsis than arguing on the Flood.

This thread is more interesting now than when I originally read it because in French we've been going all over Charlemagne and the Song of Roland. Now we've recently read the story of Yseut and Tristan, which according to wikipedia was the original holder of Cortana.

Cool stuff to make you forget that you still don't actually know anything substantial about Bungie's next IP.

  • 03.04.2012 12:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
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The Joyeuse IP Formula

I actually have contemplated this, too. People have brought up Almance before, and have even mentioned Sauvaguine.

For now I'm sticking to Joyeuse as the third "main" sword because of the inscription on Curtana's blade. BUT I'm not ruling out the idea of Almance or Sauvaguine showing up in some form.

Before I continue, though, the URL to Almance that you provided seems to be a Halo fanfic wiki.
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I guess since I just talked about it. I'll restate my reliquary post from the other thread.

Each of these swords (according to http://home.ix.netcom.com/~kyamazak/myth/roland/roland-items-e .htm) has a reliquary, that is, a slot for the containment of a relic of sorts.

As I stated above, though the parallelism begins to fall apart slightly, this could relate to the fact that the AIs are stored within compartments (I'm not sure about Durandal, but Cortana certainly is contained int his manner). Just something I noticed while going over the story.


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I just found something in that thread that I discovered before and then forgot about, (at the time I was using "DefiniteInfinity"). But my post went relatively unnoticed so I'll talk about it again.

Another link (specifically to the Halo Universe) is that another sword wielded by one of the people in the "Song of Roland" appears as an AI in the Halo universe.

The AI and Sword are both known as Almace. You can read about Almace and the Archbishop Turpin's role in the "Song of Roland" here. Though I have not yet researched enough to figure out what specifically the relation between said sword and the AI in question, but it is definitely another link.

Edit: And this could mean that there is also a lesser known and less prominent AI from Marathon that shares a name with one of the swords. Also, because there are a total of 6 named swords (and one spear) in the "Song of Roland", that would leave 2 remaining for the Destiny universe.

Edit 2: I think that Hauteclaire might be the secondary AI (analogically, Hauteclaire is to Joyeuse as Alamce is to Cortana) in the Destiny Universe, as it was made at the same time as Joyeuse by the same cutler. Almost equally possibly could the secondary AI be Flamberge, as it was formed at the same time as Joyeuse and Hauteclaire. But, Flamberge is not one of the central "named" swords in the "Song of Roland" (Hauteclaire is) and is, in fact, a type of sword and not a specially made sword with a personified name.

The fact that it isn't a "main" sword in the "Song of Roland" may not even matter, due to the fact that Cortain (Cortana) was not one of the main swords, but I think it seems likely that it will be one of them.

Also lending credence to Flamberge not being one of the AI's in the next game, is that it, too was made for Charlemagne. On the Halo side of things, Almace and Cortain were made for two different people as they were completely unrelated to one another in the Halo story.

Now, obviously, I'm beginning to hypothesize within hypotheses, but I've got nothing else to do.

And... I could be entirely wrong and I could sound nothing short of a mad man. Meh.

  • 03.04.2012 12:04 PM PDT

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  • 03.04.2012 12:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
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The Joyeuse IP Formula

I can't get over Jen's face. XD Okay, serious reply time.

It's exciting to see these innovations transpire within the company. They seem to have learned a lot with Halo in terms of game mechanics, features, and the development process itself.

Jen. On throne. Like Charlemagne.
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Posted by: SonicJohn
Joey, you forgot this thread ;)

Nicely summarized, C5! Images are very good tl;dr.

I think that with the knowledge that Charlie was a King...this seems awfully fitting, no?

I look forward to finding out if Joyeuse is actually going to be a weapon this time. In the thread I linked above, I talk about how the lessons learned in ODST and Reach should tie into Destiny...so I'm wondering if the idea of a silent AI companion (a la Superintendent) will also carry over. Perhaps that was practice for Destiny as well?

  • 03.04.2012 12:14 PM PDT

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Great work. It's inspiring that you put so much effort into this with nothing but the community and love of the game in mind. With that said, I think we'll have to wait and find out to see if you have the right idea. There were a lot of games in between marathon and halo. It might be pushing it to say that Bungie's next game will complete the circle, so to speak. E3 is approaching. :)

  • 03.04.2012 12:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
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The Joyeuse IP Formula

The thing about the names is the fact that Cortana was historically an acceptable name for Curtana, and Durandal had several varations:
Feel the Noise (Terminal 1)
Durandan, Durandal, Durandana.

Charlemagne used to always call me
Durandana, the fruitcake. All the many
implements of war to him were in some way
feminine. Not that you know the story.


There's also the previously mentioned "Durendal." I haven't found much variation for Joyeuse's name that's been used historically for that specific sword. But it is likely that we would see something like Joyful or Joyous, for Joyeuse.

Posted by: Duardo
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Great work Cortana 5. You have cut out the fat from version 1 and streamlined this one. Visuals really help too. Great presentation.

I have noticed that each AI character name is just a tad different from the sword name, so I'm guessing that Joyeuse will be named Joyous (which actually sounds like an awesome name) or Joyce. I'm thinking Joyous though..

  • 03.04.2012 12:48 PM PDT

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Sounds very, very plausible. Excellent work Holmes, er... Cortana.

I jumped onto Bungie's fan-wagon with Halo so a lot of the Marathon links and references I oftentimes never see or make the connection to. A+ for the thread.

  • 03.04.2012 12:51 PM PDT

OP can't inb4; great thread, obvious connections here. I wonder if they expected anyone to notice this.

  • 03.04.2012 1:11 PM PDT

As I said in the previous thread I love this idea. My only question is what evidence from the things that we do know? Like the shirts, the cards that came with the One of Seven game, the Vidoc, etc.

  • 03.04.2012 1:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
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The Joyeuse IP Formula

I don't have a ton to go on from the more recent cryptic stuff. In the O Brave New World vidoc, Marty had a sword behind him and Jason Jones uses a sword to knight people in the studio.

Although, Marty said that his sword is named Loretta. >_>
Posted by: chuckiej2
As I said in the previous thread I love this idea. My only question is what evidence from the things that we do know? Like the shirts, the cards that came with the One of Seven game, the Vidoc, etc.

  • 03.04.2012 1:17 PM PDT

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This really hurts to read. :/

I spent an hour trying to comprehend that, I can't do it. And then I see people congratulating you for solving something, I feel retarded right now.

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  • 03.04.2012 1:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
Cortana 5 is a carbon-based lifeform that frequently visits these forums, currently residing in the United States. Practically every male on the site responds to her posts.

The Joyeuse IP Formula

Marathon doesn't feel quite as linear to a newcomer as Halo feels. It takes some getting used to. I'd suggest you pick up Aleph One!
Posted by: Cpl Crosseyes
Sounds very, very plausible. Excellent work Holmes, er... Cortana.

I jumped onto Bungie's fan-wagon with Halo so a lot of the Marathon links and references I oftentimes never see or make the connection to. A+ for the thread.

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Posted by: cortana 5
Same reason they stopped Marathon... Sort of. They also feared beating a dead horse by making Marathon 4. They missed that boat for Halo, though.

The thing about this formula is that you can basically go anywhere with it. It just provides help with creating a story. Like I said in the OP, I agree that it is possible that this formula is true, but won't be followed because the studio has changed so much.


I'm just in the process of re-reading this [I've read the original in the Universe forum a while ago]. You're onto something quite interesting and this definitely has merit. Bungie is a creature of habit in many ways [not that that is a bad thing].

Perhaps we might be looking at some sort of extended universe that- like Halo borrowed from Marathon- borrows from Halo and Marathon etc, whilst not being directly linked to either. Bungie said they were done with Halo, and I believe them, but the Universe they created was multifaceted and incorporated many aspects of the extended Bungie lore itself. Whilst this is all speculation, why can't it be said that Bungie will do the same for a new universe.

I do agree with you about beating dead horses though. 343 and Microsoft don't see it yet, but Halo is just about ready to be put out to pasture. They'll find out about patting a burning dog sure enough.

Whatever they do, I'm very excited to see where Bungie goes next, and I'm sure that whatever their next venture is, it'll soak up countless hours of my life I'll never be able to get back [and probably wouldn't want to].

Threads such as this are a staple of this community and it is this dedication of the few that inspires the many, both the developers and the community.

Good stuff cortana 5.



  • 03.04.2012 1:42 PM PDT

Chemtrails man, chemtrails.

  • 03.04.2012 1:45 PM PDT

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I bet Joe Staten is reading this thread and saying "-blam!- she knows's EVERYTHING!"

Thanks for the shortened down version, I've been meaning to read your other, but haven't gotten around to it. I definitely will soon though.

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