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my gt is Godzillla....i just didnt link it properly

id vomit and i actually like rvb ....but yea it does seem like a waste of brain power to come up with some sort canonical excuse for multiplayer

it cant be anything other than VR training for spartan recruits or something ..anything else is just ridiculous

  • 03.12.2012 6:23 PM PDT

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it cant be anything other than VR training for spartan recruits or something ..anything else is just ridiculous

Unless they're using paralyzing rounds, like what we saw in Contact Harvest.

  • 03.12.2012 7:20 PM PDT
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How do we know they are multiplayer only if we've only been told of their existence and use in multiplayer? I mean, it's a very safe bet that they're in multiplayer - it could even be safely argued that it is an outright certainty - but the only thing we know for certain of the campaign is that it has relevance to Forerunners, the UNSC makes some form of appearance, there are updated and more advanced Warthogs and Battle Rifles, and the Chief somehow gets a hold of a new suit of armor.

There's really nothing blatantly excluding the Spartan IV's from the campaign storyline, so we shouldn't rule that out until we know for certain.


chief is still wearing mark VI, frankie even brought that up in the video and then stated MP and SP are separate experiences.


Grey101, you seem to be basing your argument on the mere statement that "MP and SP are separate experiences" and you've taken it out of context in order to prove your point that so many before me have proven wrong. What Frankie was saying that while previous Halo games, such as ODST and Reach pulled their multiplayer maps from the campaign itself, Halo 4 will emulate Halo 3 in that it will build multiplayer environments from the ground up in order to make multiplayer strictly multiplayer and campaign strictly campaign. Yet even with your previous statement of "they're separate experiences" even if it was in context with what he was saying, does this specifically mean internally that Spartan IV's will not be part of the campaign in any way, shape, or form? No. He said that the multiplayer would be explained, and unless your postulating that before every multiplayer game that every player is forced to watch a three-minute cutscene explaining why they're fighting before they play, the only real place for the Spartan IV backstory to be revealed would be in the campaign itself. Of course they're separate, it means that you play them separately like every other Halo game, but your taking some offhand unscripted comment from one narrator and turning it into the underlying guideline of Halo 4, that Spartan IV's are never mentioned or a part of the campaign, even though they are the integral piece of multiplayer and it was explicitly said by more than one commentator that the multiplayer story would be explained, and the only place for that to be truly delved into is campaign. Stop destroying everyone elses guesses just by repeating the same thing over and over without seeing other peoples point of view. I might be completely wrong and you are right, but you need to open up your mind to the possibilities.

  • 03.12.2012 7:42 PM PDT

Possible as fighting force later in game, or perhaps a few spartan ivs wwe may get to become attached to? or that may be Johns surviving squad, I say the attached to bit, for in the halo 4 vidoc we got face wrinkling, I know why? well perhaps we will get emotion by facial workings aswell as dialogue workings, so we may become attached to a few apartans iv

  • 03.13.2012 12:30 AM PDT
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i think that they will be an important part to the storyline. also i think that will be the main multiplayer armour also. And i think the spartan 4s will be in halo 5 and 6 as intregal parts.

  • 03.13.2012 1:16 AM PDT

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Not really sure to be honest. I wanna see more gameplay.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: jack0fhearts
How do we know they are multiplayer only if we've only been told of their existence and use in multiplayer? I mean, it's a very safe bet that they're in multiplayer - it could even be safely argued that it is an outright certainty - but the only thing we know for certain of the campaign is that it has relevance to Forerunners, the UNSC makes some form of appearance, there are updated and more advanced Warthogs and Battle Rifles, and the Chief somehow gets a hold of a new suit of armor.

There's really nothing blatantly excluding the Spartan IV's from the campaign storyline, so we shouldn't rule that out until we know for certain.


chief is still wearing mark VI, frankie even brought that up in the video and then stated MP and SP are separate experiences.


Grey101, you seem to be basing your argument on the mere statement that "MP and SP are separate experiences" and you've taken it out of context in order to prove your point that so many before me have proven wrong.
What Frankie was saying that while previous Halo games, such as ODST and Reach pulled their multiplayer maps from the campaign itself, Halo 4 will emulate Halo 3 in that it will build multiplayer environments from the ground up in order to make multiplayer strictly multiplayer and campaign strictly campaign.

Yet even with your previous statement of "they're separate experiences" even if it was in context with what he was saying, does this specifically mean internally that Spartan IV's will not be part of the campaign in any way, shape, or form? No. He said that the multiplayer would be explained, and unless your postulating that before every multiplayer game that every player is forced to watch a three-minute cutscene explaining why they're fighting before they play, the only real place for the Spartan IV backstory to be revealed would be in the campaign itself.
Of course they're separate, it means that you play them separately like every other Halo game, but your taking some offhand unscripted comment from one narrator and turning it into the underlying guideline of Halo 4, that Spartan IV's are never mentioned or a part of the campaign, even though they are the integral piece of multiplayer and it was explicitly said by more than one commentator that the multiplayer story would be explained, and the only place for that to be truly delved into is campaign.

Stop destroying everyone elses guesses just by repeating the same thing over and over without seeing other peoples point of view. I might be completely wrong and you are right, but you need to open up your mind to the possibilities.


Paragraphs, first off.


How am I taking that out of context when that is the only context we have? You cannot make so many assumptions of them being in campaign based off that part of the video being in multiplayer. It isn't like we don't have or have had things in the halo experience that were exclusive to MP and SP. If the video hinted at more then I wouldn't be contesting, but it would be wise to wait for more information before getting trigger happy.

Um. When he was talking about the maps is not the same as him talking about the spartans. He says in MP you are a spartan IV while in MP you are MC. He also says they are separate. This is like saying "If you can play as a hunter in FF you must be able to play as one in the campaign".

I ma not "postulating" anything and he said the reason for spartans fighting each other would be explained not the spartan IVs themselves since they were already brought up in Glasslands. I suspect the answer is probably going to be a simulation since that is the only one that makes perfect sense with everything in mind

"r taking some offhand unscripted comment from one narrator and turning it into the underlying guideline of Halo 4,"


lol, what? So by me saying the SIVs probably won't be in SP that is me "assuming everything about halo 4"? oh, and that comment was on the script and that narrator was frankie, who is pretty much the head honcho of 343I. not some "Random narrator." critical to multiplayer doesn't have anything to do with campaign. I could wager that the BR was "critical to the MP of halo 3" yet if the campaign didn't have it nothing would suffered.

"Stop destroying everyone else's guesses just by repeating the same thing over and over without seeing other peoples point of view.."

Well, for one I am known for doing that and it wouldn't be my character if I stopped. Two, Nobody should be speculation so hard with such bland statements. Explain how I am destroying "everybody's guesses" if I am only posting this in one thread. Also explain how telling people to wait for more information is a bad idea.


We have been told several times that the reclaimer trilogy is going back to the roots of story telling and focusing on cortana and chief. Throwing in random spartans doesn't go with that not to mention it wouldn't be smart doing that after how reach was received.

  • 03.13.2012 8:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: grey101
chief is still wearing mark VI, frankie even brought that up in the video and then stated MP and SP are separate experiences.


Was this in a separate video or interview? The First Look video mentioned nothing of the sort, only showed graphical comparisons of Halo 3 and Halo 4. To me, right now there are enough technical and aesthetically differences with the Mjolnir suit in Halo 3 and 4 respectively to assume that it is, in fact, a different suit. It's much more than changing the gloves and small aesthetic features of the Mjolnir Mk VI from Halo 2 to Halo 3.


It was a different video. And explain to us why a better engine would have the armor look exactly the same minus a cod piece? This is the most recent graphical adaptation of Mark VI. If we were still wearing Mark V in halo 2 then it would look alot different than CE.

  • 03.13.2012 8:19 AM PDT

SpartanII's are more than likely better than spartan IV's only because if you read the books, they had superior armor, and advanced abilities. If you noticed that the spartanIII's had no shields and had weaker armor, but they had abilities, as you saw in reach. that was the only advantage they had over spartanII's. If they followed the pattern, then spartanIV's would be weaker than the II's. But also in the last book, the last spartans were left on a strange planet, and for all we know, they couldve been upgraded on the planet that master chief was heading to. Since Hasley was there, she could have upgraded them.

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  • 03.13.2012 9:17 AM PDT

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It was a different video.

You're going to have to post it. After an hour or so of searching, I was able to find nothing that said anything on the Mjolnir armor's current phase.

And explain to us why a better engine would have the armor look exactly the same minus a cod piece? This is the most recent graphical adaptation of Mark VI. If we were still wearing Mark V in halo 2 then it would look alot different than CE.

I still hold to it that, while the Chief may begin the game in Mark VI armor, this is not Mark VI. They are just too different.

The codpiece and abdominal guard is completely different.
The gloves are now armored and colored on the fingers.
The hue is different.
The helmet, while similar, is also different, with the "bill" of the helmet being much shorter.
The shoulderpads are completely different.
The chestpiece is different, as well as the "shoulder straps" being more pronounced and likely still containing jet thrusters.
The gauntlets are different, having a more angular and segmented look.

When we went from Halo 2 to Halo 3, there was a huge graphical upgrade. It was a better engine, a new console, and yet the armor still looked the same minus the gloves. That was really the only change to the Mark VI armor. This armor is too different for me to assume that it is the same Mark VI seen in Halo 3.

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  • 03.13.2012 2:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
343 hijacked Infinty, Spartan IVs were onboard, 343 brings the ship to Forerunner space and meets the Chief. Boom.


Sorry but there is no distinctive proof that it was UNSC Infinity. It only mentions a ONI ship in task force fleet.

Try again.

  • 03.13.2012 3:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101


Paragraphs, first off.


How am I taking that out of context when that is the only context we have? You cannot make so many assumptions of them being in campaign based off that part of the video being in multiplayer. It isn't like we don't have or have had things in the halo experience that were exclusive to MP and SP. If the video hinted at more then I wouldn't be contesting, but it would be wise to wait for more information before getting trigger happy.

Um. When he was talking about the maps is not the same as him talking about the spartans. He says in MP you are a spartan IV while in MP you are MC. He also says they are separate. This is like saying "If you can play as a hunter in FF you must be able to play as one in the campaign".

I ma not "postulating" anything and he said the reason for spartans fighting each other would be explained not the spartan IVs themselves since they were already brought up in Glasslands. I suspect the answer is probably going to be a simulation since that is the only one that makes perfect sense with everything in mind

"r taking some offhand unscripted comment from one narrator and turning it into the underlying guideline of Halo 4,"


lol, what? So by me saying the SIVs probably won't be in SP that is me "assuming everything about halo 4"? oh, and that comment was on the script and that narrator was frankie, who is pretty much the head honcho of 343I. not some "Random narrator." critical to multiplayer doesn't have anything to do with campaign. I could wager that the BR was "critical to the MP of halo 3" yet if the campaign didn't have it nothing would suffered.

"Stop destroying everyone else's guesses just by repeating the same thing over and over without seeing other peoples point of view.."

Well, for one I am known for doing that and it wouldn't be my character if I stopped. Two, Nobody should be speculation so hard with such bland statements. Explain how I am destroying "everybody's guesses" if I am only posting this in one thread. Also explain how telling people to wait for more information is a bad idea.


We have been told several times that the reclaimer trilogy is going back to the roots of story telling and focusing on cortana and chief. Throwing in random spartans doesn't go with that not to mention it wouldn't be smart doing that after how reach was received.



I'm not saying that you play as Spartan IV's in the campaign, I'm just saying there's a heavy chance that they will be featured somehow as either kind of ODST reinforcement squads or their will be some characters within the plot that are Spartan IV's. I honestly don't think were going to play as them. In Glasslands its explained that they're just adults who've been enhanced and trained to wear MJOLNIR but they're not people who have been through the rigorous childhood conditioning to become perfect soldiers that the Spartan IIs and Spartan IIIs went through. In other words, they'll likely suck.

I agree with your idea that its some kind of simulation training, I just disagree that they will not be featured in the campaign at all. I think since 343 Guilty Spark hijacked the ship Infinity which is manned by Spartan IV's at the end of Primordium, and since, as you said, the plot will be drawn from the events of that and Glasslands, they will likely accompany the UNSC forces shown in the concept art.

  • 03.13.2012 6:29 PM PDT
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Overall concept of indept explanation yes. My simple answer. Upgradeable platforms of armor as a base model with an end result as varied as the player with a Massive boost to upgadeable augments. Thinking sprinting overshield medic as an end result.

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Posted by: grey101


Paragraphs, first off.


How am I taking that out of context when that is the only context we have? You cannot make so many assumptions of them being in campaign based off that part of the video being in multiplayer. It isn't like we don't have or have had things in the halo experience that were exclusive to MP and SP. If the video hinted at more then I wouldn't be contesting, but it would be wise to wait for more information before getting trigger happy.

Um. When he was talking about the maps is not the same as him talking about the spartans. He says in MP you are a spartan IV while in MP you are MC. He also says they are separate. This is like saying "If you can play as a hunter in FF you must be able to play as one in the campaign".

I ma not "postulating" anything and he said the reason for spartans fighting each other would be explained not the spartan IVs themselves since they were already brought up in Glasslands. I suspect the answer is probably going to be a simulation since that is the only one that makes perfect sense with everything in mind

"r taking some offhand unscripted comment from one narrator and turning it into the underlying guideline of Halo 4,"


lol, what? So by me saying the SIVs probably won't be in SP that is me "assuming everything about halo 4"? oh, and that comment was on the script and that narrator was frankie, who is pretty much the head honcho of 343I. not some "Random narrator." critical to multiplayer doesn't have anything to do with campaign. I could wager that the BR was "critical to the MP of halo 3" yet if the campaign didn't have it nothing would suffered.

"Stop destroying everyone else's guesses just by repeating the same thing over and over without seeing other peoples point of view.."

Well, for one I am known for doing that and it wouldn't be my character if I stopped. Two, Nobody should be speculation so hard with such bland statements. Explain how I am destroying "everybody's guesses" if I am only posting this in one thread. Also explain how telling people to wait for more information is a bad idea.


We have been told several times that the reclaimer trilogy is going back to the roots of story telling and focusing on cortana and chief. Throwing in random spartans doesn't go with that not to mention it wouldn't be smart doing that after how reach was received.



I'm not saying that you play as Spartan IV's in the campaign, I'm just saying there's a heavy chance that they will be featured somehow as either kind of ODST reinforcement squads or their will be some characters within the plot that are Spartan IV's. I honestly don't think were going to play as them. In Glasslands its explained that they're just adults who've been enhanced and trained to wear MJOLNIR but they're not people who have been through the rigorous childhood conditioning to become perfect soldiers that the Spartan IIs and Spartan IIIs went through. In other words, they'll likely suck.

I agree with your idea that its some kind of simulation training, I just disagree that they will not be featured in the campaign at all. I think since 343 Guilty Spark hijacked the ship Infinity which is manned by Spartan IV's at the end of Primordium, and since, as you said, the plot will be drawn from the events of that and Glasslands, they will likely accompany the UNSC forces shown in the concept art.



That is a more understandable way to have them in the story plot.


When chakas hacked that ship it was probably in 2559 since that is when the Return takes place and the humans found a monitor. And Infinity was stated to have Spartan IVs in the past nothing was ever said about them always being on board. They could just go there for training or augmentations just like the other programs used facilities for.

  • 03.14.2012 7:48 AM PDT

I have a theory about the master chief's change in armor, in glasslands it was stated that that the mark VII could nanomechanically upgrade itself while dormant and the master chief has been asleep for quite some time, so maybe the mark VI had an earlier version of that nanomechanical technology.

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I thought that was stated in the novel months ago but failed to find it.

  • 03.14.2012 2:59 PM PDT

page 213, it says the armor upgrades while naomi is in cryosleep.

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I mean on mark VI

  • 03.14.2012 3:30 PM PDT

like I said mark VI may or may not have that feature but so far this seems to be the only logical explanation I can think of.

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I say lets go ahead and have it by an AI (cortana in function) that works through neuro-lacechipset controlling an architecture of nanaotech bots that arrange in cellular matrix formation. Gives controlled assistance during dream/rest periods. (Mabey this could manifest in the form of a player controlled armor upgradin/modification systems. Perhaps let it range from CE armor to Hayabussa. {perhaps farther})

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Maybe the armor gets changed after he escapes the ship but they put that armor into the trailer so that players won't be upset when his armor changes because they'll already be used to it.

  • 03.14.2012 5:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101


That is a more understandable way to have them in the story plot.


When chakas hacked that ship it was probably in 2559 since that is when the Return takes place and the humans found a monitor. And Infinity was stated to have Spartan IVs in the past nothing was ever said about them always being on board. They could just go there for training or augmentations just like the other programs used facilities for.


Well I'm just speculating that there is going to be some on the ship Infinity since I personally think it's going to be like the Normandy of Halo 4 like in Mass Effect.

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like I said mark VI may or may not have that feature but so far this seems to be the only logical explanation I can think of.


Naomi uses Mark VII.

However, it is correct that Mark VI does have limited nanotechnology. Mark VII saw more expensive usage of Nanotechnology due to testing of nanotech on Mark VI.

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  • 03.14.2012 11:57 PM PDT

I think the Spartan IV's are going to be the enemy/ONI's puppets.Will they bring back the Spartans' from ONYX to help out John in 4 or are they going to be trapped in a planet forever?

  • 03.15.2012 12:29 AM PDT