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"A lesson without pain is meaningless, for you cannot gain something without sacrificing something else in return, but once you have overcome it and made it your own...you will gain an irreplaceable, fullmetal heart."

Would it be efficient? Would it be necessary? Since a lot of people like to start multiple accounts to troll... especially on my birth planet of 'The Infamous Flood Forum'.

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  • 03.11.2012 12:02 AM PDT

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That could work....

  • 03.11.2012 12:03 AM PDT

"A lesson without pain is meaningless, for you cannot gain something without sacrificing something else in return, but once you have overcome it and made it your own...you will gain an irreplaceable, fullmetal heart."

Posted by: Destiny 7
IP bans are pointless.

Why is that?

  • 03.11.2012 12:04 AM PDT
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IP bans are useless.

  • 03.11.2012 12:05 AM PDT

"A lesson without pain is meaningless, for you cannot gain something without sacrificing something else in return, but once you have overcome it and made it your own...you will gain an irreplaceable, fullmetal heart."


Posted by: jross1993
IP bans are useless.


Please explain.

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There is no "Flood Forum Problem" and IP bans would only reflect towards other, innocent users, the ninjas are doing a great job.

  • 03.11.2012 12:10 AM PDT

Posted by: jross1993
IP bans are useless.

No, no, a thousand times, no!

People claim it isn't efficient. Perhaps not, because it's easy to change, but it'd help cut it down if they did it *in addition to* user profile bans. It certainly wouldn't hurt. Please, stop. Just because Achronos says it isn't totally efficient doesn't mean you can say it like you know what you're talking about. Hell, I hardly know what I'm talking about, but I know more than just running around waving my dick in the air yelling random thoughts that I can hardly back up.

Heh.

EDIT: ^I do agree that there's no "Flood forum problem", though. People that say the Flood is bad have clearly not wandered other parts of the Internet. User profile bans in addition to IP bans would definitely up effectiveness because most kids on here that get bant are too stupid to know how to change their IP. It certainly can be worked around, though.

[Edited on 03.11.2012 12:14 AM PST]

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Posted by: jross1993
IP bans are useless.


Please explain.

Well for one, IP addresses aren't set in stone. In reality changing your IP can be as simple as restarting your modem/router.

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Posted by: ctjl96
Posted by: jross1993
IP bans are useless.

No, no, a thousand times, no!

People claim it isn't efficient. Perhaps not, because it's easy to change, but it'd help cut it down if they did it *in addition to* user profile bans. It certainly wouldn't hurt. Please, stop. Just because Achronos says it isn't totally efficient doesn't mean you can say it like you know what you're talking about. Hell, I hardly know what I'm talking about, but I know more than just running around waving my dick in the air yelling random thoughts that I can hardly back up.

Heh.

I was not aware that Achronos stated anything, and quite frankly I don't care. It doesn't change the fact that IP bans, in my opinion, are useless.

  • 03.11.2012 12:15 AM PDT

Posted by: jross1993
I was not aware that Achronos stated anything, and quite frankly I don't care. It doesn't change the fact that IP bans, in my opinion, are useless.

Oh, here we go again. "I'm going to say this, but because I'm wrong, I'm going to claim it's an opinion so I can possess essential immunity to all contradictory statements."

Nope. They're not useless. These bans can be worked around as well; do you consider them useless? Perhaps superficially, but I think that implementing IP bans *in addition to* profile bans would definitely help out.

Sit down, sir.

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If you know what you are doing then you can work on an algorithm that actually bans the IP Block where the said IP belongs and therefore modem/router resets will not work. However, such a system would increase the radius of banned IP's and therefore dramatically raise the chance to ban innocent users.
Posted by: jross1993
Well for one, IP addresses aren't set in stone. In reality changing your IP can be as simple as restarting your modem/router.

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Posted by: ctjl96
Posted by: jross1993
I was not aware that Achronos stated anything, and quite frankly I don't care. It doesn't change the fact that IP bans, in my opinion, are useless.

Oh, here we go again. "I'm going to say this, but because I'm wrong, I'm going to claim it's an opinion so I can possess essential immunity to all contradictory statements."

Nope. They're not useless. These bans can be worked around as well; do you consider them useless? Perhaps superficially, but I think that implementing IP bans *in addition to* profile bans would definitely help out.

Sit down, sir.

Are you seriously trying to argue that my opinion is wrong? Wow.

and no. Sure, at first you might catch a few kids who don't know what they're doing, but they'll adapt. Just like now; If alt accounts get banned, they just clear cookies and start again. (albeit obviously, they'll reset routers as well).

It's not worth the time to implement.

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  • 03.11.2012 12:20 AM PDT

Posted by: jross1993
Are you seriously trying to argue that my opinion is wrong? Wow.

and no. Sure, at first you might catch a few kids who don't know what they're doing, but they'll adapt. Just like now; If alt accounts get banned, they just clear cookies and start again. (albeit obviously, they'll reset routers as well).

It's not worth the time to implement.

No, I'm trying to tell you that this is hardly an opinion and you're just claiming it is to gain immunity.

You act as if you're somehow aware of how busy the Web Team is and how much time they have. That's really not an argument at all. They probably don't have a lot of time right now, because I believe we're due for an update in > a month, but you really can't dispose of ideas just because they contradict your own and then say it's because "it'd take too much time to implement", implying you know how much time it would take to implement and, to be frank, that isn't some sort of half-ass argument that is teetering on the verge of stupidity.

Excuse me for being a dick, but c'mon.

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Posted by: ctjl96
I think you need to settle down a bit mate.

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Whoo.

IP Bans are useless, not to mention detrimental.

What, you'll slow down a troll the five minutes necessary to reset their IP?
Oh the humanity.

That's of course assuming that their computer isn't connected directly to the modem, in which case they could probably do it in less than a minute.

Anyone who's willing to troll enough to make more than one troll account will know how to do this, it's no harder than just clearing your cookies, putting it in would be useless.


Now lets look at the positives, oh yeah, if it's a shared network like a University internet. Then you can ban everyone in that school instead of just one person! YAY!

It wouldn't be possible for just one guy of the hundreds of people there to be a troll and a good amount of the rest to be good constructive posters, no if one guy is bad they ALL must be bad.
Posted by: ctjl96
Sit down, sir.
No, you.

  • 03.11.2012 1:01 AM PDT
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IP bans are useless and can affect more than just the person you intended to ban.

  • 03.11.2012 8:11 AM PDT

Posted by: MURDUR 587
IP Bans are useless, not to mention detrimental.

What, you'll slow down a troll the five minutes necessary to reset their IP?
Oh the humanity.

That's of course assuming that their computer isn't connected directly to the modem, in which case they could probably do it in less than a minute.

Anyone who's willing to troll enough to make more than one troll account will know how to do this, it's no harder than just clearing your cookies, putting it in would be useless.


Now lets look at the positives, oh yeah, if it's a shared network like a University internet. Then you can ban everyone in that school instead of just one person! YAY!

It wouldn't be possible for just one guy of the hundreds of people there to be a troll and a good amount of the rest to be good constructive posters, no if one guy is bad they ALL must be bad.
Posted by: ctjl96
Sit down, sir.
No, you.

>rephrasing things we've already gone over
Meh @ the University bit. That's probably the only reason why it would be impractical.

You can make an alt in 5 minutes and get around the current system, derp. Does that mean the current system is completely useless? No, stop being silly; the kids on here hardly know how to reset their modem, implying it's even their modem, and it wouldn't hurt at all to implement, except for the possibility of banning a ton of innocent people, which would probably not happen anyway. Other than that, there's really no reason why it would hurt anything if put in.

  • 03.11.2012 9:20 AM PDT

Honestly, this must be a joke. Child, listen, stop trying to defend yourself because clearly you are incapable of it. The only idiot in this thread is yourself, and trust me, it is obvious. So, how about you do as I asked earlier and log off, mommy and daddy wouldn't want you staying up this late.
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Posted by: ctjl96
I hardly know what I'm talking about.

Something I like to do when someone makes an ass of them-self when they act like they know what they're talking about, is to quote them and put a phrase like this in their quote.

What makes this special is that you've actually supplied the words and yet you act like you know what you're talking about.

Seriously, what are you thinking?

Implementing IP bans is a waste of effort. Doing it in the name stopping rule breakers is down right retarded since it's just as easy to avoid as it is to delete cookies.

In case you still don't get it, making changes to a system costs money, it takes time. You don't snap your fingers and have it ready.

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  • 03.11.2012 9:34 AM PDT

We reached that point a long time ago. But that doesn't mean that would make it useless; you guys are being stupidly obstinate. I'm trying to point out that while I understand it should probably never be implemented, it's not completely useless.

  • 03.11.2012 9:37 AM PDT

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IP ban are only given to user who have done illegal action towards bungie.net or to the members within the website that invokes their terms agreements.

  • 03.11.2012 9:39 AM PDT

Honestly, this must be a joke. Child, listen, stop trying to defend yourself because clearly you are incapable of it. The only idiot in this thread is yourself, and trust me, it is obvious. So, how about you do as I asked earlier and log off, mommy and daddy wouldn't want you staying up this late.
-- Direct Control, BAMF

Posted by: ctjl96
We reached that point a long time ago. But that doesn't mean that would make it useless; you guys are being stupidly obstinate. I'm trying to point out that while I understand it should probably never be implemented, it's not completely useless.

Slowing down someone for a few minutes is not worth the time and money it would take to implement. There are better things to be spending money on, like basketball nets for the trash cans.

  • 03.11.2012 9:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: ctjl96
Hell, I hardly know what I'm talking about
Just stop. Right there.

If you don't know what you're talking about stop vehemently discussing something that probably won't ever be implemented. If you're so inept on the subject of IP Bans from a technical perspective and you hardly know what you're talking about, then STOP talking about them.

Let people who know what they're talking about discuss it. Because if you're openly admitting that you hardly know what you're talking about, that's telling me to disregard everything you're saying because of the fact that it's all based on next to no firsthand or even secondhand knowledge.

  • 03.11.2012 9:48 AM PDT

Jesus, I shouldn't have even put that in there. I was just admitting that I'm not completely familiar with the subject, but I do grasp the general concept and that doesn't mean that I can't talk about it. The point I was getting at was "neither of us know what we're talking about, but I'm pretty sure I know more". Obviously hobby here knows what he's talking about, but I don't think MT nor jross do. They were just pulling the typical "hurr durr it's easy to get around" argument, when that's completely invalid because of how easy our current ban system is to evade.

The conversation was over; stop bringing it up just to kiss ass, please.

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  • 03.11.2012 9:51 AM PDT

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Why do you kids always say we need IP bans? Why do you always complain there are trolls and loads of other incorrect terms?

There isn't. Bungie.net is a clean place with hardly any trolling or -blam!- posting. Your "trolls" aren't trolls they are horrible at it. The people -blam!- posting are all you guys making bad threads about this topic nonstop.

If you stopped crying and paying attention to people who posting -blam!- or trying to provoke you, guess what. They will -blam!- off.

It's simple really. You guys are like that kid in school who always runs crying to the teacher. Grow up, no one wants to hear your whining.

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