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Subject: "Bungie.Net isn't Facebook...."

Posted by: Muzza777
I used to take the stance that Bungie.net is not a social network. Which in its current stage isn't. However would it really be that bad to have some of the features of a social network?
B.net is largely socially driven. How does that make us different from Facebook?

A retweet/share/+1 button for the original post would be quite wonderful in my opinion. It would make thread sharing a lot simpler, and seeing as everyone is praising that fact of B.net there will be no problem with my suggestion.

  • 03.12.2012 9:33 PM PDT
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I don't have a problem with this idea - since there are people who would be interested in tweeting/facebooking particular threads of interest, I think it would be beneficial to those that want it.

I would say that if it's implemented, there should be an option for people who don't want to view those buttons to turn them off, if possible.

I think the added benefit to it would be to reach other Bungie fans that are on Facebook but don't come here, thus expanding the community poster-pool (and maybe making the Flood a little less Floody.)

  • 03.12.2012 9:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: THE SALTY CHIP
Because first of all, pasting those share buttons all over the forums would just look plain ugly.

You wouldn't know the exact details as to how it does appear on our forums (in fact, this thread could be used as an idea to discuss how such a feature could be implemented); and also, it could attract a greater user base, and get more people involved in Bungie's new future.

Second, these forums don't need more people coming here. It's already active enough.
"Active enough" is your perspective, and your perspective alone. The idea of a discussion forum is to let all people - from all corners of the world - to communicate about almost every subject you can think of. The more people which do congregate, the more topics would be discussed, and the more aspects or opinions on a particular topic can be taken in. The way you say things here can actually lead to people being driven away from our community. You know what it basically interprets to? "Sorry new members, no vacancy; go somewhere else" What kind of community is that?

If we attract Facebook users here, the only thing that they'll do is bring their ridiculously stupid posts along with them (Not that the flood could get any less intelligent, that is). And trust me, I've used Facebook enough to know that we wouldn't want the people that use it regularly to come here.

And what about my second point? I mean, it could be more active, but like I always say, Quality > Quantity.

Now you're just stereotyping; attempting to back up your opinion with poor assumptions, which makes your view more and more moot as this thread goes along. Trust is not something which makes your view higher up on the hierarchy, nor does it validate it. Basically: I think it's a bad idea = I think it's a bad idea, trust me.

Now on to Quality > Quantity, yes, this is a maxim which should be looked upon by everyone; but again, you can't expect this to hold true 100% when you haven't even seen the results of this feature being implemented.

  • 03.12.2012 10:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: THE SALTY CHIP
Second, these forums don't need more people coming here. It's already active enough.
Posted by: THE SALTY CHIP
And trust me, I've used Facebook enough to know that we wouldn't want the people that use it regularly to come here.
...This is a joke right?

  • 03.12.2012 10:39 PM PDT

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the only problem i have with mine is that it's unstable,[very shakey],so you'd need a tripod for it.

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Just drink a beer and everything will be ok

Personally, I wouldn't use it but nevertheless...

Depending on how this would be handled if it were to come to pass, I don't think that the linking of Bungie and Facebook accounts is a good thing.
It could remove the relative anonimity that we all enjoy here on B.Net which, whether a good or bad thing, I'm not really in favour of.
On the one hand, it could stop people from being complete idiots. But, to me, the craziness and lack of predictability of the forums are what gives them their charm.

Of course, a simple "Like/Share/whatever" button wouldn't do too much harm, but I'm simply extending the idea.
Anyway, that's my 5 cents.

  • 03.13.2012 2:04 AM PDT
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Sorry if any of what I'm going to say has been posted. Most of what I saw on the first page was rubbish and after that, I just looked for Bungie and Mod posts because they are reasonable people.

1. If something similar to a "Like" button were added, it may cut down on needless "quote posts". You all know what I'm talking about. Someone wants to agree with a post so they just reply, quote, and submit. It's spammish and ugly. A "Like" button could give room for the rules to be tweaked to diminish posts like that.

2. Giving repost options to different sites wouldn't affect the site that much at all. Sure, you might get some facebook creepers, but I don't think they will make an account to interact on the site, and hopefully anyone who does will become a contributing member of the community.

3. If you hate social networks so much, why do you know so much about them? (sorry, not a real point, just bothers me)

My list is done here, because it is much too late for me to be posting.

  • 03.13.2012 2:16 AM PDT

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Meh.

I wouldn't mind, as long as there would be no facebook exclusive stuff.

  • 03.13.2012 2:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: THE SALTY CHIP
Because first of all, pasting those share buttons all over the forums would just look plain ugly.

Second, these forums don't need more people coming here. It's already active enough.
Bold: You have absolutely no idea what a "share" button would look like if implemented on the forums. You don't know where it would go. You don't know how many there would be. You don't know what color it would be. You don't know what shape it would be. You don't know what services it will support.

You. Don't. Know.

Suggesting even for a second that you have ANY idea of what this hypothetical "share" button would look like, how many of "it" there would be (I see no reason to have more than one when the one can have a drop down menu that supports all the different types of social networking sites), or how it would affect the site aesthetically is silly and ridiculous.

Stop pretending to be omniscient on how "Facebook" features will affect the site when you have no -blam!- idea.

Underline: Really? You're ACTUALLY in favor of the purposeful stagnation of the population of the Bungie.net community and, by extension, the userbase of Bungie's games and, by further extension, the popularity of Bungie as a whole?

In the coming months, as long as Bungie keeps to the announcement schedule most people seem to have for them (announcing their next project [Destiny] at E3, Pax, or on Bungie Day), people are going to start flooding in. Because if there's anything we know about Bungie, it's that they can tease a game in a manner that it has almost become an art form.

Sorry, but you can't have Bungie.net all to yourself. This downtime in between games isn't going to last forever and, for many people, the decreased site population is extremely annoying. To say that the population in between games when there's nothing to talk about and hardly anyone here is the ideal population for the site at large is, in my opinion at least, very confusing. Why would you not want more people to enjoy Bungie.net as you have? Why would you want Bungie.net's userbase to be maintained at this incredibly low level?



I'll be eagerly awaiting your response.

  • 03.13.2012 3:22 AM PDT
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  • 03.13.2012 3:27 AM PDT

"Cool feature!"
"I don't want one that was on that website!"
"Laugh at the people that don't want things that were on that website!"

Oh Community forum, y u alwyz so hipsterz?

  • 03.13.2012 3:48 AM PDT

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
Things on B.net would be nice to keep on B.net. I don't want things telling me to share it elsewhere, especially since I would never use them.

Agreed! Same here.

  • 03.13.2012 3:49 AM PDT

Let it go.

I'd rather have members clicking the "reply" button and contributing.

Facebook uses their own water fountain. lol

  • 03.13.2012 5:01 AM PDT

Sharing is good. It hets the word out.

That's why many sites in existence already implement these features.

  • 03.13.2012 8:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: Lies
The Yankees have almost as many bandwagon fans as God

Posted by: Th1ckestSausag3
Get ya popcorn and eat the thickest dick if you think I would waste time lyin to any of u.

The entire website would be chaotic. Believe it or not, not everyone in the world knows of Halo or Bungie. Bringing in heaps of new people is probably not the best idea.

One of the best things, if not the best, is that we were all (98% sounds like a fair estimate) brought here by Halo in one way or another.

  • 03.13.2012 9:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ryno3
The entire website would be chaotic. Believe it or not, not everyone in the world knows of Halo or Bungie. Bringing in heaps of new people is probably not the best idea.

One of the best things, if not the best, is that we were all (98% sounds like a fair estimate) brought here by Halo in one way or another.

But that model and centricity is changing.

This community is no longer solely related to a particular platform/console.

This community may no longer be linked or related to a particular title, franchise or series.

This community may no longer be the easily defined niche that it once was.

Adapt and grow, or risk stagnation and death. This little feature is not a major alteration, it doesn't change the purpose of the forums, it doesn't alter how people use the forums to interact, it doesn't "open the gates" to some unwashed horde of morons. It just makes it easier (and as a result more likely) for people to tell their social networks of a topic within these forums that is of interest to the individual member and invite that members friends/followers/social group to take a look and see if that interest is mutual.

It can be done already, it IS being done already. It is however just a manual process. Not an onerous one, but if it were made into a more simple and as close to a single-click, add a comment, click again and you have externally advertised a potential topic of interest to others (with no internal alteration, notice or change to the topic itself).... I don't see how that is risky, dangerous, or dramatically game changing.

People who have small followings and social groups may, if they use the feature, encourage a few non-members to take the plunge and join our community. A community that has ALWAYS been open to EVERYONE who was interested in being part of something a little quirky, a little odd, a lot of fun and full of other fun, cool, interesting and quirky people.

That's people with typical followings. People with larger than usual followings, to small scale celebrity followings could make one Tweet, one +1 and our membership could jump by a couple of hundred or more. A major celeb making an off-hand "hey, this place is cool, look at what they discuss there!" post to their followers could result in a mass influx of curious, eager, and yes, awkward and uninformed new members. I think that is exciting, not frightening. I think that is potentially one of the best things that could happen to this community, to come out of its "we all like Halo" cocoon and spread its wings in the sun of wider awareness across the Interwebs.

But even if that large scale influx never happens (to the relief of some, the disappointment of others), having an easy method for existing members to "point out a topic of mutual interest" to their network... that is (IMO) neither dangerous, revolutionary, nor earth-shattering. It's a common enough experience around the web that nearly every site uses in order to advertise its own internal and dynamic content.

[Edited on 03.13.2012 9:38 AM PDT]

  • 03.13.2012 9:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
I think the more important question is "Will elmicker hate it?"


[Edited on 03.13.2012 9:46 AM PDT]

  • 03.13.2012 9:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: Lies
The Yankees have almost as many bandwagon fans as God

Posted by: Th1ckestSausag3
Get ya popcorn and eat the thickest dick if you think I would waste time lyin to any of u.

Hopefully their next game has enough of a following to bring a lot of people here like Halo did, and they can just make a transition from one game to the next.

I think both sides have their ups and downs. Does Bungie want Bungie.net to be a social networking type site, or one that focuses more on discussion of their games like it always has been?

It's not me being afraid of change, because I know there are tons of websites out there that thrive with the mindset that you just posted. Things here work how they are, and if that is true, why change anything?

It's up to bungie, but either way will work.

  • 03.13.2012 9:48 AM PDT

Posted by: Ryno3
Bringing in heaps of new people is probably not the best idea.
Have you ever run a business? Or even just a website?

I honestly don't understand how anyone can even attempt to make this argument.

  • 03.13.2012 10:17 AM PDT

Jack of all trades, master of none.

I see why you would want it, but I can't see it ebing a good idea.

Bungie is a website for bungie fans to... be bungie fans. If we add social netwrok integration, whilst we are opening to a wider audience, we are not opening to an audience which has a real reason to be here.

How many more people would be spamming the site with anti-bungie messages?

  • 03.13.2012 12:38 PM PDT

It only takes a simple question to change everything.

I'm not really sure how useful a feature like that would be. I know that if I posted a link to a bungie.net thread on my facebook no one would look at it.

  • 03.13.2012 1:20 PM PDT

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I see why you would want it, but I can't see it ebing a good idea.

Bungie is a website for bungie fans to... be bungie fans. If we add social netwrok integration, whilst we are opening to a wider audience, we are not opening to an audience which has a real reason to be here.

How many more people would be spamming the site with anti-bungie messages?
What the -blam!- is the point of joining and regularly participating in a website of something you don't give a -blam!- about?

Sure, some trolls come here to bad mouth Bungie, but when you truly don't care about something, what's the point in actively participating in a website completely devoted to it.

In other words, why would people who don't know what Bungie is, read up on it, and then still not care about it, join the site just to make threads saying "I don't care about the goings-on here and never will."

Any outreach socially through social networks would only bring in more Bungie fans.

If you were following, say, Tom Cruise on twitter. And he tweeted a link to a forum about Japanese Anime, and you didn't care at all about Japanese Anime, would you make an account just to talk about how you don't care about Japanese Anime? No. You would ignore the link once you knew that that's what it went to.

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If you were following, say, Tom Cruise on twitter. And he tweeted a link to a forum about Japanese Anime, and you didn't care at all about Japanese Anime, would you make an account just to talk about how you don't care about Japanese Anime? No. You would ignore the link once you knew that that's what it went to.

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If you were following, say, Tom Cruise on twitter. And he tweeted a link to a forum about Japanese Anime

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Tom Cruise on twitter. And he tweeted about Japanese Anime

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Tom Cruise Japanese Anime.


So, Tom Cruise likes tentacle pr0nz? I knew it!

  • 03.13.2012 1:33 PM PDT

It's a shame it is against the rules to call you out on your rank, seeing as how the level you play at greatly affects the opinions you hold (on gameplay). Generally, if you are bad - Your opinions are wrong, and your argument is invalid.

GG

Cowboy Bebop is amazing. I applaud you OP (if your name originates from there - if not... -______-).

And your idea is fine by me, more people on a forum is rarely a bad thing.

  • 03.13.2012 1:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lies
The Yankees have almost as many bandwagon fans as God

Posted by: Th1ckestSausag3
Get ya popcorn and eat the thickest dick if you think I would waste time lyin to any of u.


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Posted by: Ryno3
Bringing in heaps of new people is probably not the best idea.
Have you ever run a business? Or even just a website?

I honestly don't understand how anyone can even attempt to make this argument.


Obviously that statement wasn't from a marketing standpoint, but rather a concern for the well-being of the community, which I realized I hardly care about.

So nevermind.

  • 03.13.2012 2:00 PM PDT


Posted by: Achronos
Sorry, OP, but many people who frequent this forum are allergic to the word Facebook. It makes them incapable of discussion ideas on the basis of merit but rather makes them compare it to even marginally related things that Facebook does.

I almost wonder what would have happened if Facebook had Halo stats on it first.
I agree with, Urk. I will be very allergic to the word Facebook... now and all the way through the year 3000.

[Edited on 03.13.2012 2:17 PM PDT]

  • 03.13.2012 2:14 PM PDT