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Subject: "Bungie.Net isn't Facebook...."


Posted by: BootStrap
"Facebook features need to stay with facebook."


Yeah, good luck with that.

  • 03.13.2012 8:50 PM PDT

"We live in a special time; the only time where we can observationally verify that we live in a very special time" - Lawrence Krauss.

I was a finalist :P

Posted by: BootStrap
Like I said earlier and will say again, "Facebook features need to stay with facebook." This is my opinion. I did indeed read what the OP had to say and that was my response, stop trying to make me out to look like I don't know what the OP is talking about. I'm against any facebook features being implemented to bungie.net, that is my opinion.

You compared the OP's feature to that of havoc which would happen if all users where to post pictures on Bungie.net; this is hyperbole. For one, we're not bringing in Facebook's feature to post pictures - or copying any feature which that website has. In fact, all we're basically doing is copying whatever it is here (threads, posts, images), over to Facebook so that other people can view it, and you know, enhance our community?

Secondly, it's not a feature which is compulsory for all members to uses all the times, it just provides an avenue of convenience for those which do wish to use it. That's the idea of a feature, to make it a better experience for people using this site.

Finally, I was not insinuating that you have no clue what's going on in this thread, all I was doing was partaking in discussion with one of your points you provided. You are entitled to your opinion, but it's not restricted to criticism; otherwise what would half discussion on these forums be for?

  • 03.13.2012 9:02 PM PDT

A large man


Posted by: Zealot Tony
Posted by: BootStrap
Like I said earlier and will say again, "Facebook features need to stay with facebook." This is my opinion. I did indeed read what the OP had to say and that was my response, stop trying to make me out to look like I don't know what the OP is talking about. I'm against any facebook features being implemented to bungie.net, that is my opinion.

You compared the OP's feature to that of havoc which would happen if all users where to post pictures on Bungie.net; this is hyperbole. For one, we're not bringing in Facebook's feature to post pictures - or copying any feature which that website has. In fact, all we're basically doing is copying whatever it is here (threads, posts, images), over to Facebook so that other people can view it, and you know, enhance our community?

Secondly, it's not a feature which is compulsory for all members to uses all the times, it just provides an avenue of convenience for those which do wish to use it. That's the idea of a feature, to make it a better experience for people using this site.

Finally, I was not insinuating that you have no clue what's going on in this thread, all I was doing was partaking in discussion with one of your points you provided. You are entitled to your opinion, but it's not restricted to criticism; otherwise what would half discussion on these forums be for?


Using Hyperbole to get a point across works wonders, granted you have the right audience. I'm completely open to criticism however I'm not too sure how you are criticizing my main point when you say, that I'm not responding to the OP's main argument. I covered just about anything the OP said and could have said about Facebook and its features by saying what I said in my first post. Facebook features should not be included as a part of Bungie.net

As you can probably tell I'm not a fan of Facebook, Twitter, or the plethora of other social networking sites and tools we have available. I can understand and appreciate how this would make things easier and more accessible in the long run, however I don't understand why we have to copy the features of facebook or twitter to make that happen.

  • 03.13.2012 9:20 PM PDT

Posted by: BootStrap
As you can probably tell I'm not a fan of Facebook, Twitter, or the plethora of other social networking sites and tools we have available. I can understand and appreciate how this would make things easier and more accessible in the long run, however I don't understand why we have to copy the features of facebook or twitter to make that happen.
What features exclusive to those sites are you referring to?

  • 03.13.2012 9:34 PM PDT
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Why hello there.

I don't see a problem with this idea. I kinda like it. Plus, possibility of more members. World domination is that much closer.

  • 03.13.2012 9:39 PM PDT


Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: BootStrap
As you can probably tell I'm not a fan of Facebook, Twitter, or the plethora of other social networking sites and tools we have available. I can understand and appreciate how this would make things easier and more accessible in the long run, however I don't understand why we have to copy the features of facebook or twitter to make that happen.
What features exclusive to those sites are you referring to?
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest he is referring to the like button.

  • 03.13.2012 9:40 PM PDT

"We live in a special time; the only time where we can observationally verify that we live in a very special time" - Lawrence Krauss.

I was a finalist :P

Posted by: BootStrap
Using Hyperbole to get a point across works wonders, granted you have the right audience.

The thing is, your primary point was that "Facebook features should remain on Facebook", and you can't expect a hyperbole to do wonders when you make a simple statement like this. The idea is to list the reasons why, and then use analogies and hyperbole to enhance it.

I'm completely open to criticism however I'm not too sure how you are criticizing my main point when you say, that I'm not responding to the OP's main argument.You stated that "Facebook features should remain on Facebook" and in my previous post I listed why such features could be of use: to enhance discussion, to get more views from people off-site, to provide convenience to people who would use this feature. I was arguing your view; like you have the ability to do to mine.

I covered just about anything the OP said and could have said about Facebook and its features by saying what I said in my first post. Facebook features should not be included as a part of Bungie.net No one who has the ability to implement this is going to listen unless you back it up with reasons why (hating it is not a fair reason). In fact, this is something which is part of life - to be heard, you have to campaign why you feel something should/shouldn't be done.

[Edited on 03.14.2012 5:04 AM PDT]

  • 03.13.2012 9:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: SonicJohn
Bnet members can't handle this level of sexy.

Why don't we have this yet???

  • 03.13.2012 9:50 PM PDT

A large man


Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: BootStrap
As you can probably tell I'm not a fan of Facebook, Twitter, or the plethora of other social networking sites and tools we have available. I can understand and appreciate how this would make things easier and more accessible in the long run, however I don't understand why we have to copy the features of facebook or twitter to make that happen.
What features exclusive to those sites are you referring to?


Ever since I started using facebook there has been a constant stream of things I don't like. Take the like system for instance, say you can "like" or "up-vote" a post. The potential for abuse is huge. You can effectively silence anyone you don't agree or don't want to see. There are also privacy issues as well. Who knows who exactly has access to your information.

  • 03.13.2012 10:00 PM PDT

A large man


Posted by: Zealot Tony
Posted by: BootStrap
Using Hyperbole to get a point across works wonders, granted you have the right audience.

The thing is, your primary point was that "Facebook features should remain on Facebook", and you can't expect hyperbole to do wonders when you make a simple statement this. The idea is to list the reasons why, and then use analogies and hyperbole to enhance it.

I'm completely open to criticism however I'm not too sure how you are criticizing my main point when you say, that I'm not responding to the OP's main argument.You stated that "Facebook features should remain on Facebook" and in my previous post I listed why such features could be of use: to enhance discussion, to get more views from people off-site, to provide convenience to people who would use this feature. I was arguing your view; like you have the ability to do to mine.

I covered just about anything the OP said and could have said about Facebook and its features by saying what I said in my first post. Facebook features should not be included as a part of Bungie.net No one who has the ability to implement this is going to listen unless you back it up with reasons why (hating it is not a fair reason). In fact, this is something which is part of life - to be heard, you have to campaign why you feel something should/shouldn't be done.


I'm not quite sure I understand, how was my original post "facebook features should remain on facebook" a dramatic overstatement or exaggeration?

  • 03.13.2012 10:07 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: BootStrap

Ever since I started using facebook there has been a constant stream of things I don't like.
That has nothing to do with their implementation on Bungie.net or whether or not they should be quarantined to remain on Facebook and not "infect" Bungie.net with their social-ness.

Take the like system for instance, say you can "like" or "up-vote" a post. The potential for abuse is huge.How? Oh wait you're about to get to that. I'll let you do that.

You can effectively silence anyone you don't agree or don't want to see.Oh wait. No. That can't possibly be related to likes and up-votes can it? How can you silence someone with the like/up-vote system? I'll answer that for you. You can't.

There are also privacy issues as well. Who knows who exactly has access to your information. What information? What do you mean? On Facebook I can edit who has access to my "information" and if you don't want someone to know your information you don't -blam!- add them as a friend on Facebook. If you're friends with someone you should be okay with them knowing where you live and whether or not you're currently in a relationship.

Even still, nobody anywhere ever in this thread or others has (to my knowledge or that I have seen) suggested that we should add relationship statuses, where you live, how old you are, what your name is, what sex you're interested or not interested in, or any other personal information. So that fact that you're bringing it up is stupid.

You can argue that Facebook features should stay on Facebook, sure. But argue about relevant features. You know what else shouldn't be implemented on Bungie.net? The Facebook logo. The Facebook logo shouldn't replace the Bungie logo. I could make an argument for that but it doesn't matter because it's not relevant to this discussion.

  • 03.13.2012 10:07 PM PDT

Posted by: BootStrap
Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: BootStrap
As you can probably tell I'm not a fan of Facebook, Twitter, or the plethora of other social networking sites and tools we have available. I can understand and appreciate how this would make things easier and more accessible in the long run, however I don't understand why we have to copy the features of facebook or twitter to make that happen.
What features exclusive to those sites are you referring to?


Ever since I started using facebook there has been a constant stream of things I don't like. Take the like system for instance, say you can "like" or "up-vote" a post. The potential for abuse is huge. You can effectively silence anyone you don't agree or don't want to see. There are also privacy issues as well. Who knows who exactly has access to your information.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the "up voting" part of the like button system.

There are more sites than Facebook who store information on you. It is quite an astonishing number really. My point is, on the internet privacy is very minimal across the board. Facebook is no exception.

  • 03.13.2012 10:10 PM PDT

A large man


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: BootStrap

Ever since I started using facebook there has been a constant stream of things I don't like.
That has nothing to do with their implementation on Bungie.net or whether or not they should be quarantined to remain on Facebook and not "infect" Bungie.net with their social-ness.

Take the like system for instance, say you can "like" or "up-vote" a post. The potential for abuse is huge.How? Oh wait you're about to get to that. I'll let you do that.

You can effectively silence anyone you don't agree or don't want to see.Oh wait. No. That can't possibly be related to likes and up-votes can it? How can you silence someone with the like/up-vote system? I'll answer that for you. You can't.

There are also privacy issues as well. Who knows who exactly has access to your information. What information? What do you mean? On Facebook I can edit who has access to my "information" and if you don't want someone to know your information you don't -blam!- add them as a friend on Facebook. If you're friends with someone you should be okay with them knowing where you live and whether or not you're currently in a relationship.

Even still, nobody anywhere ever in this thread or others has (to my knowledge or that I have seen) suggested that we should add relationship statuses, where you live, how old you are, what your name is, what sex you're interested or not interested in, or any other personal information. So that fact that you're bringing it up is stupid.

You can argue that Facebook features should stay on Facebook, sure. But argue about relevant features. You know what else shouldn't be implemented on Bungie.net? The Facebook logo. The Facebook logo shouldn't replace the Bungie logo. I could make an argument for that but it doesn't matter because it's not relevant to this discussion.


I'm not going to respond to you after this. Telling me that the points I bring up are stupid is not conductive to discussion.

  • 03.13.2012 10:22 PM PDT

Posted by: BootStrap
Ever since I started using facebook there has been a constant stream of things I don't like. Take the like system for instance, say you can "like" or "up-vote" a post. The potential for abuse is huge. You can effectively silence anyone you don't agree or don't want to see. There are also privacy issues as well. Who knows who exactly has access to your information.
I don't see how any of that applies in the context of this thread, and I still don't see how it applies to "copying features" when that's clearly not that case (for instance, Twitter doesn't have a "Share on Twitter" option).

Also, if the "Like" system has the potential to be abused so much, why hasn't anyone ever complained about similar abuse of the up-vote buttons on every Reach file on this site?

  • 03.13.2012 10:59 PM PDT

Games I like:,
Half-Minute Hero
MBU
Portal
Halo 3 is the best Halo ever
Maps I like: Turf, Avalanche, Pylon, Sandbox, Breakpoint and many more.


Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: BootStrap
Ever since I started using facebook there has been a constant stream of things I don't like. Take the like system for instance, say you can "like" or "up-vote" a post. The potential for abuse is huge. You can effectively silence anyone you don't agree or don't want to see. There are also privacy issues as well. Who knows who exactly has access to your information.
I don't see how any of that applies in the context of this thread, and I still don't see how it applies to "copying features" when that's clearly not that case (for instance, Twitter doesn't have a "Share on Twitter" option).

Also, if the "Like" system has the potential to be abused so much, why hasn't anyone ever complained about similar abuse of the up-vote buttons on every Reach file on this site?


Because maps are different. Most members take the lack of likes as a challenge and improve their map.

Facebook + Bungie = :/

  • 03.13.2012 11:37 PM PDT

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Halo 3 Longshore playable on Team Fortress 2 vids

I honestly do not wish to see this website integrated into facebook's user interface. That is like making a parody of facebook with Halo universe mixed in the middle.

I like Bungie.net just the way they are.

  • 03.13.2012 11:47 PM PDT

"We live in a special time; the only time where we can observationally verify that we live in a very special time" - Lawrence Krauss.

I was a finalist :P


Posted by: BootStrap
I'm not quite sure I understand, how was my original post "facebook features should remain on facebook" a dramatic overstatement or exaggeration?

You misread my post. Your original statement wasn't an exaggeration, but going on to compare this feature as if we were posting images (which would cause chaos or havoc etc) was.

  • 03.14.2012 1:10 AM PDT

Key


Posted by: BootStrap

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: BootStrap

Ever since I started using facebook there has been a constant stream of things I don't like.
That has nothing to do with their implementation on Bungie.net or whether or not they should be quarantined to remain on Facebook and not "infect" Bungie.net with their social-ness.

Take the like system for instance, say you can "like" or "up-vote" a post. The potential for abuse is huge.How? Oh wait you're about to get to that. I'll let you do that.

You can effectively silence anyone you don't agree or don't want to see.Oh wait. No. That can't possibly be related to likes and up-votes can it? How can you silence someone with the like/up-vote system? I'll answer that for you. You can't.

There are also privacy issues as well. Who knows who exactly has access to your information. What information? What do you mean? On Facebook I can edit who has access to my "information" and if you don't want someone to know your information you don't -blam!- add them as a friend on Facebook. If you're friends with someone you should be okay with them knowing where you live and whether or not you're currently in a relationship.

Even still, nobody anywhere ever in this thread or others has (to my knowledge or that I have seen) suggested that we should add relationship statuses, where you live, how old you are, what your name is, what sex you're interested or not interested in, or any other personal information. So that fact that you're bringing it up is stupid.

You can argue that Facebook features should stay on Facebook, sure. But argue about relevant features. You know what else shouldn't be implemented on Bungie.net? The Facebook logo. The Facebook logo shouldn't replace the Bungie logo. I could make an argument for that but it doesn't matter because it's not relevant to this discussion.


I'm not going to respond to you after this. Telling me that the points I bring up are stupid is not conductive to discussion.

So because I hurt your feelings and made several points in rebuttal to your claims and assertions you're going to choose to ignore them completely under the guise of "that's not conductive to discussion" rather than "I'm not sure how to respond to that so I'll find a way not to"?

...oh.

  • 03.14.2012 2:47 AM PDT

Wow, people like YOU make me laugh!
Are you so much of a sheep you can't and have never seen what Facebook is? Are you so much of a sheep you can't and have never seen what Facebook does?

Frankly, I'm not even going to bother because you clearly are yet another mindless Facebook drone. Through experience I've learned that people like you, who don't even CARE about their privacy and themselves (I'm talking human rights, here) just can't accept the fact that Facebook is so terrible.

Posted by: SonicJohn
Implying that your ISP doesn't already keep a track of your online activity.

I don't personally care if Facebook knows what I like. I openly let everyone know what I like and what I don't like on the internet already. What possible damage could Facebook inflict upon me simply by knowing my interests? People like you make me laugh.
Posted by: Pulse Cloud
This is a terrible idea.
Facebook is the work of Evil and that has been proven countless times.

Please don't let it reach this far.

Numerous websites have implemented the Facebook Like button to let Facebook members share their interests, therewith promoting websites or news items. (...) As an alternative business model this allows Facebook to track and trace users and to process their data. It appears that non-Facebook members can also be traced via the Like button. This means that Facebook's tentacles reach far beyond their own platform and members.

Source: Roosendaal, Arnold, Facebook Tracks and Traces Everyone: Like This! (November 30, 2010). Tilburg Law School Research Paper No. 03/2011. Available at SSRN: http://ssrn.com/abstract=1717563 or http://dx.doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.1717563


I wonder what will happen in a few years...

  • 03.14.2012 3:53 AM PDT

ITT: People fear change.

And that's never going to change.

  • 03.14.2012 4:54 AM PDT
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“Strange,” mused the Director, as they turned away, “strange to think that even in Our Ford’s day most games were played without more apparatus than a ball or two and a few sticks and perhaps a bit of netting. imagine the folly of allowing people to play elaborate games which do nothing whatever to increase consumption.”

The Black Chapter!

Posted by: Big Black Bear
that's never going to change.
It had better not. This isn't the Cambrian explosion, and there's no need for us to copy features from it.

  • 03.14.2012 5:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: SonicJohn
Implying that your ISP doesn't already keep a track of your online activity...
Don't even know where to begin.

  • 03.14.2012 6:58 AM PDT
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Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivrusky IV

I only proposed adding a few buttons to the OP in a thread in order to make it easier to share/notify others of interesting topics.

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition..........


waits.......


....


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  • 03.14.2012 7:58 AM PDT


Posted by: Pulse Cloud
Wow, people like YOU make me laugh!
Are you so much of a sheep you can't and have never seen what Facebook is? Are you so much of a sheep you can't and have never seen what Facebook does?

Frankly, I'm not even going to bother because you clearly are yet another mindless Facebook drone. Through experience I've learned that people like you, who don't even CARE about their privacy and themselves (I'm talking human rights, here) just can't accept the fact that Facebook is so terrible.


So he can be a mindless Facebook drone or an equally mindless yet far more annoying anti-Facebook drone?

  • 03.14.2012 8:16 AM PDT


Posted by: Radical Edward
Understood, accepted and agreed.

But.

Would there be a problem, an issue, any downside if forum topics had buttons allowing members to link/post/share that thread with their various networks? Similar to how many blogs and/or news sites have icons/buttons allowing a reader to Tweet, Facebook share, or Google+1 the url of the story (in this case the thread).

This would allow members to externally advertise a discussion or topic to their social networks, encouraging further visits and participation from individuals who may not be regular or frequent visitors and encourage growth and participation in the Bungie.Net community.


In yout defense this is something incorporated into the Halo.xbox.com forums... but they aren't as easy on the eyes. or as Bungie as Bungie.net.... I'd rather be here and say BLAM then be there and be fake.

  • 03.14.2012 9:20 AM PDT