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Posted by: Spartan1995324
I'd prefer to play as a Spartan 2. Spartan 4's are just normal humans in super suits. The MP is basically an Iron Man FPS in that aspect.

What made the Spartans who they are (for me) was the fact that they were physically superior humans. Without that they just aren't Spartans in my eyes.

However in terms of gameplay I doubt it will make too much of a difference seeing as how everyone will be on the same level. And with all the armour customization (that I assume will be as extensive as Reach's) I can pretend to be a Spartan II.

In terms of the story however, I don't like it.

How do you know that they are just normal Humans in suits?

I am pretty sure augmentations will be a part of the Spartan-IV program. They are not going to call it that and then tell people "Oh by the way, you are just as puny as you were before and your armor won't be nearly as effective either."

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Posted by: Spartan1995324
I'd prefer to play as a Spartan 2. Spartan 4's are just normal humans in super suits.


I bet we will still be able to flip tanks though which in my eyes is stupid. I'm with you in saying that they should just go back to SII's.

Yeah sure people will argue that its MP and it doesn't matter because its not canon and I'd have to agree with you to an extent.
But if MP is not canon why are 343i making up a back story as to why Blues are fighting Reds? It's fine how it is and doesn't need to change, it will only make people raged and confused.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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MP will never be canon unless it isn't real.

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Posted by: grey101
Last time i checked the forerunner additions to infinity were to be included after They found out about the shield world, not before and quote the text if i am wrong.

Reverse engineering covenant technology isn't a big deal because we know they are focusing on the shields and armor plating. You let me know when they understand how plasma pistols work.

And as i said before, the forerunner reverse engineering gig needs a lot more explanation before we run around using that as a explanation for everything.


Halo: Glasslands, page 421.

"'It's a project called Infinity,' BB said. 'To be exact, Infinity is a warship- a very, very expensive prototype, because she's been fitted with every scrap of Forerunner technology we've picked apart during the course of the war, and now she'll benefit from the tech Halsey found in the sphere.'"

This quote details that Forerunner technology was already incorporated into the UNSC Infinity prior to the technological discoveries inside the sphere. However, as supported by the quote, one can also assume that the discovered technology, in whole or in part, would be incorporated in some meaningful way onto the ship eventually. Getting back to my original point, given a similar timeframe, it is entirely possible that Forerunner technologies could have been incorporated to benefit the S-IV program, as it benefited the Infinity.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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I was talking about the slipspace technology and confused myself. Regardless, it doesn't explain the forerunner technology just by say "we did it". How in the world can they crack forerunner technology in under 30 years when it took 27 years for them to get shields? I also bring up the plasma pistol again yet somehow they can get forerunner slipspace drives?


That is bad writing.

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Posted by: grey101
I was talking about the slipspace technology and confused myself. Regardless, it doesn't explain the forerunner technology just by say "we did it". How in the world can they crack forerunner technology in under 30 years when it took 27 years for them to get shields? I also bring up the plasma pistol again yet somehow they can get forerunner slipspace drives?


That is bad writing.


You're right. I think Karen Traviss could have done a tad more explaining in Glasslands in that respect. Maybe research made leaps and bounds once scientists got going, or maybe it was very highly classified. I can't give you a definitive answer, as much as I'd like to, given the current information we have. As for the plasma pistol, they don't know how it works, but scientists do know how plasma behaves. It's just a matter of being able to incorporate the technology. Not only would you need a very large amount of energy to create the plasma, but you would need a magnetic field to contain it. Perhaps scientists had issues creating the magnetic field to contain the plasma? As for the charging issue, I don't recall reading anywhere that humans got access to a recharging station for plasma weaponry, though I assume that if they did, the recharging issue would be resolved. Returning to the Forerunner technology incorporation, I'm sure it was probably nothing highly advanced (in Forerunner terms), but nonetheless useful and, as stated earlier, probably very highly classified. With the Huragok taken from the Dyson sphere, however, we can assume more complex Forerunner technology would be incorporated into the Infinity, as well as the S-IV program, as these particular Huragok had no outside exposure to any other technology but Forerunner technology.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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In glasslands they already incorporated forerunner slipspace drives to some ships. Meaning they found a forerunner drive and completely understood it.

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Posted by: grey101
In glasslands they already incorporated forerunner slipspace drives to some ships. Meaning they found a forerunner drive and completely understood it.


Firstly, I would appreciate a source, if you don't mind.

Secondly, given that Humanity is already slipspace-capable, and they had access to Covenant slipspace systems (Halo: First Strike), I would assume it would mean updating the current mathematics behind current slipspace travel. It wouldn't be an easy job, but would require a lot less effort to perfect and implement than completely foreign technology that humans had not previously been exposed to.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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I don't have glasslands in PDF, but osman states the ship they are using has forerunner drives which they intended to make standard. I think this conversation happens right after they get on the Port or After the ODSTs get done with the briefing.


Um, they don't understand covenant slipspace because if they did they would have put them on ships seeing how it wouldn't take that long if forerunner drives can be used in under 27 years.

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Posted by: grey101
I don't have glasslands in PDF, but osman states the ship they are using has forerunner drives which they intended to make standard. I think this conversation happens right after they get on the Port or After the ODSTs get done with the briefing.


Um, they don't understand covenant slipspace because if they did they would have put them on ships seeing how it wouldn't take that long if forerunner drives can be used in under 27 years.


In First Strike, Cortana was using the Ascendant Justice to perform slipspace jumps. During this time, Cortana used Covenant slispace systems to perform slipspace jumps, and was impressed by the Covenant's slipspace mastery. Since Cortana had access to this system, she most likely would have made a record of their mathematics, as she made records of Installation 04. I never said this was implemented, nor did I say other scientists had an understanding, but seeing as though her other records of Installation 04 were given to ONI, one can assume that if she had made a record, it would have been given to ONI as well. Bearing this in mind, and knowing the similarities between Covenant and Forerunner technologies, one can assume that once the mathematics and physics behind the Forerunner drives are determined, then it may be just a simple reworking of mathematics.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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If she gave ONI the knowledge of halo then she wouldn't still be carrying it.

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Posted by: grey101
If she gave ONI the knowledge of halo then she wouldn't still be carrying it.


Cortana is more than capable of making copies.

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Posted by: grey101
If she gave ONI the knowledge of halo then she wouldn't still be carrying it.


Cortana is more than capable of making copies.


You are making far too many assumptions, If she created a copy to hold that data (which is alot) why would she hold the data and risk herself? Again, you are making too many assumptions.

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Posted by: Spartan1995324
I'd prefer to play as a Spartan 2. Spartan 4's are just normal humans in super suits. The MP is basically an Iron Man FPS in that aspect.

What made the Spartans who they are (for me) was the fact that they were physically superior humans. Without that they just aren't Spartans in my eyes.

However in terms of gameplay I doubt it will make too much of a difference seeing as how everyone will be on the same level. And with all the armour customization (that I assume will be as extensive as Reach's) I can pretend to be a Spartan II.

In terms of the story however, I don't like it.

How do you know that they are just normal Humans in suits?

I am pretty sure augmentations will be a part of the Spartan-IV program. They are not going to call it that and then tell people "Oh by the way, you are just as puny as you were before and your armor won't be nearly as effective either."
That's what I thought too until I read this. Broke my heart.

Here is a quick quote where it actually says that.
Also, you now play as Spartan IVs, non-augmented soldiers who have volunteered for service; unlike Master Chief, a Spartan II, who was genetically altered to be a super soldier. While the Spartan IV's don't have the genetic boost that Chief does, they are still formidable soldiers. So when players assume the role of them in multiplayer, expect it to feel almost identical to the way Master Chief feels in single-player.

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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: grey101
If she gave ONI the knowledge of halo then she wouldn't still be carrying it.


Cortana is more than capable of making copies.


You are making far too many assumptions, If she created a copy to hold that data (which is alot) why would she hold the data and risk herself? Again, you are making too many assumptions.


When I said "copies", I was referring to the record of Installation 04, not a fragmented copy of Cortana. The records required a lot of memory, so Cortana would have had to have gotten rid of a lot of it. She would still have a record of important aspects of Installation 04 and the Battle of Installation 04, as her actions in latter Halo canon would suggest. Relating back to your comment, she would hold all of that data herself because A.I. fragments, though still a very powerful asset, are very limited in their functions, so leaving all of that valuable information with a fragment would have been too risky. Furthermore, she would be entirely capable of making copies of herself or records. Cortana is a computer program; a very smart computer program created from the neural pathway mapping of Dr. Halsey's brain, but a computer program nonetheless. Following that logic, one can assume that, being a smart A.I. and being capable of creating another copy of herself, a copy of the Installation 04 records is not out of the question in the least.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Anybody that has been paying attention the the spartan programs or read Glasslands knows the SIVs are going to be augmented.

And to mercury, you keep assuming.

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Posted by: grey101
Anybody that has been paying attention the the spartan programs or read Glasslands knows the SIVs are going to be augmented.

And to mercury, you keep assuming.
So that one article is complete BS? The one I linked?

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Posted by: grey101
And to mercury, you keep assuming.


Please read this and this. These are not assumptions, they are canon.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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The entire point of the spartan project was to get the augmentations safe for adults which goes to glasslands using adults for the project.


Mercury halopedian isn't a source, and you are assuming that cortana copied the data,gave it to the UNSC and they are using that to make forerunner equipment, correct?

So source me to when she did that and it still wouldn't make sense that they were able to make something in 2 months. Glasslands takes place during halo 3.

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Posted by: grey101
The entire point of the spartan project was to get the augmentations safe for adults which goes to glasslands using adults for the project.


Mercury halopedian isn't a source, and you are assuming that cortana copied the data,gave it to the UNSC and they are using that to make forerunner equipment, correct?

So source me to when she did that and it still wouldn't make sense that they were able to make something in 2 months. Glasslands takes place during halo 3.


Judging by your quick reply, I'll assume you completely disregarded what I linked, which was relevant information from various sources in one page. Furthermore, I did not state anywhere in my posts that the data gathered by Cortana was being used to make Forerunner equipment. What I said was that Cortana's past exposure to Covenant slipspace systems could have affected the fast development of Forerunner slipspace system implementation on human ships. Please read my previous posts if you need clarification. And, for the record, Glasslands takes place after the events of Halo 3, when the armistice is enacted.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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It is the same difference in the situation. They wouldn't have had time to do that in a month or two while the planet is being attacked and decimated. Covenant slipspace operates just like ours only that it is more precise, forerunner slipspace operates on a whole different scale and level. For instance, they use reaction-less drives and crystals for slipspace while the covenant use Antimatter (If i remember right). Those are not the same principles nor do they work the same or in the same fashion.


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Posted by: grey101
It is the same difference in the situation. They wouldn't have had time to do that in a month or two while the planet is being attacked and decimated. Covenant slipspace operates just like ours only that it is more precise, forerunner slipspace operates on a whole different scale and level. For instance, they use reaction-less drives and crystals for slipspace while the covenant use Antimatter (If i remember right). Those are not the same principles nor do they work the same or in the same fashion.




As I said in previous posts, slipspace would most likely entail a lot of mathematics and physics. By studying the mathematics and physics that other drives from different races use, a more efficient and practical way may be discovered. By studying the equations behind it, mathematicians and scientist may have discovered a more effective way to utilize slipspace jumps, more akin to the Covenant or the Forerunners.

Let me use an analogy, where, as an example, Equation 1 is the Human equation for slipspace, whereas Equation 2 is the Forerunner equation.

1. (27 / 9) * (2^2 / 2) =

2. 3 + 3 =

Which one would you rather solve?

Obviously, the math would be a lot more complex, and the physics equally so. Like you and I could both solve these equations, humans could adapt the math and physics behind one race's slipspace drives to their own. Consider the Covenant slipspace system a stepping stone between the two, much like we would use our math classes from years of schooling to get from solving Equation 2 to solving equations like Equation 1.

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