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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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That still doesn't answer the point that the are incredibly different.


Forerunner drives are directly affected by slipspace, in which if slipspace is acting funny it will affect the ship.


This doesn't happen to the covenant ships nor does this happen to the Human based forerunner drives, because they aren't on the same level.

  • 03.14.2012 4:52 PM PDT
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You are referring to the drive's physical reaction to operating in slipspace. I am talking about the math and physics behind the operation of a slipsace drive. Physics is universally constant. Math, however, is a different story, as one race's number system may be entirely different from ours. In any case, once the math and physics are derived, humans could adopt what is derived from these equations and discoveries into their own drives. Yes, the drives may be physically different, but they function the same; create a hole in the space-time continuum for a ship to get from Point A to Point B very, very fast.

  • 03.14.2012 5:30 PM PDT

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I have got to ask...where the Spartan IV's ever mentioned in any Halo book?? Also Reach was not pushing it with the Spartan III's as I recall someone posting, Reach got the Spartan III's COMPLETELY wrong. Spartan III's were actually orphaned kids from the war, that were trained by a Spartan II, named Kurt. Spartan III's were not even thought of until the first Halo was blown up. So in the Halo universe, Spartan III's never even started training until Halo: Combat Evolved times, non the less the Fall of Reach.

Source: Ghost of Onyx

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Posted by: Watch Man206
I have got to ask...where the Spartan IV's ever mentioned in any Halo book?? Also Reach was not pushing it with the Spartan III's as I recall someone posting, Reach got the Spartan III's COMPLETELY wrong. Spartan III's were actually orphaned kids from the war, that were trained by a Spartan II, named Kurt. Spartan III's were not even thought of until the first Halo was blown up. So in the Halo universe, Spartan III's never even started training until Halo: Combat Evolved times, non the less the Fall of Reach.

Source: Ghost of Onyx


They were mentioned in Glasslands.

  • 03.14.2012 6:09 PM PDT

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Ok, well I will have to read that one, I do not want to jump into a conclusion on what the Spartan IV's are until I have at least SOME info on them XD

  • 03.14.2012 6:10 PM PDT

i don't know if there will be spartan IV's but i think chief will be the last of the spartans. he was given cortana which she stops the halo rings while chief ends the covenant. dont see what new spartans will be there for, well, 343 did say there is a new threat. maybe the threat is so advanced that unsc will have to go back and make a even more powerful spartan

  • 03.14.2012 7:32 PM PDT

I thought they were augmented too until I read this. Broke my heart.

Here is a quick quote where it actually talks about Spartan IV's not being augmented.
Also, you now play as Spartan IVs, non-augmented soldiers who have volunteered for service; unlike Master Chief, a Spartan II, who was genetically altered to be a super soldier. While the Spartan IV's don't have the genetic boost that Chief does, they are still formidable soldiers. So when players assume the role of them in multiplayer, expect it to feel almost identical to the way Master Chief feels in single-player.

  • 03.14.2012 8:26 PM PDT

I think it is an idea that would have inevitably been put in halo but it may be hard to pull off without compromising the power felt when playing master chief, I hope 343i does it right.

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I don't think they will be in the campaign. So far they're multiplayer-only.

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I'm sorry if I sound ignorant, but was there any indication of when mc woke up or in which timeline this game is set. Since people here are obsessed with phrases such as "it's only been a short while, how could humanity have discovered so much in such a short time".

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Posted by: TS Legaia
I'm sorry if I sound ignorant, but was there any indication of when mc woke up or in which timeline this game is set. Since people here are obsessed with phrases such as "it's only been a short while, how could humanity have discovered so much in such a short time".


grey101 and I were debating Glasslands, which occurs after Halo 3. My apologies for the confusion.

  • 03.15.2012 8:24 AM PDT

If spartan-IVs weren't augmented how could they use Mjollnir armor without being crushed because we already know from the multiplayer footage that they have shields therefore they must be wearing mjollnir armor.

  • 03.18.2012 9:50 AM PDT


Posted by: Leaf Dragoon
If spartan-IVs weren't augmented how could they use Mjollnir armor without being crushed because we already know from the multiplayer footage that they have shields therefore they must be wearing mjollnir armor.


Perhaps a new type of armour is created which is just as strong as MJOLNIR armour but much lighter. I don't know, but this seems the most plausible to me if they're not augmented.

  • 03.18.2012 10:11 AM PDT

You make a good point it's possible they may have found a forerunner combat skin or something and spent the a long time reverse engineering it to create new armor. After all O.N.I. has found forerunner technology when colonizing various planets like reach and kept it a secret. Of course if forerunners are at the same level as augmented humans then their combat skins may be just as harmful to ordinary humans.

  • 03.18.2012 10:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: TS Legaia
I'm sorry if I sound ignorant, but was there any indication of when mc woke up or in which timeline this game is set. Since people here are obsessed with phrases such as "it's only been a short while, how could humanity have discovered so much in such a short time".

It has been 5 years.

  • 03.18.2012 10:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: TS Legaia
I'm sorry if I sound ignorant, but was there any indication of when mc woke up or in which timeline this game is set. Since people here are obsessed with phrases such as "it's only been a short while, how could humanity have discovered so much in such a short time".


grey101 and I were debating Glasslands, which occurs after Halo 3. My apologies for the confusion.


You might want to check the dates since Glasslands ends with the Voi memorial. meaning it takes place during halo 3.

  • 03.18.2012 10:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan1995324
I thought they were augmented too until I read this. Broke my heart.

Here is a quick quote where it actually talks about Spartan IV's not being augmented.
Also, you now play as Spartan IVs, non-augmented soldiers who have volunteered for service; unlike Master Chief, a Spartan II, who was genetically altered to be a super soldier. While the Spartan IV's don't have the genetic boost that Chief does, they are still formidable soldiers. So when players assume the role of them in multiplayer, expect it to feel almost identical to the way Master Chief feels in single-player.

They are not Spartans if they are not augmented. They would essentially just be ODSTs, and would get destroyed by Brutes and Elites just like ODSTs. No Mjolnir armor either, as they would get pulvarized. Tone down Mjolnir's strength and reflexes? Well then you've got ODSTs again who would get ass handed by the first Elite they run into.

A lot of these blog posts have had flat out contradictions with each other, (One said the Covenant would be allies when 343i's bulletin said they are enemies) nevermind the actual canon. Take them with a pinch of salt. It is not possible for them to be as good as MC if they are not augmented unless they change the whole idea behind Mjolnir armour.

  • 03.18.2012 10:40 AM PDT

Grey101, I'm a huge fan of your halo knowledge! ;)
So what do you think of my idea that there might be some new type of armour for the Spartan IV's which is much lighter so that normal, not augmented humans can wear it? To me it seems plausible but I want to know what the master thinks.

  • 03.18.2012 10:42 AM PDT

that's something that confused me glasslands says the voi memorial took place after the arbiter returns home, but in halo 3
the voi memorial is followed by the scene where the the arbiter talks to the shipmaster and wonders if there own world is safe even though according to glasslands he had already been there.

  • 03.18.2012 11:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Unggoy NL
Grey101, I'm a huge fan of your halo knowledge! ;)
So what do you think of my idea that there might be some new type of armour for the Spartan IV's which is much lighter so that normal, not augmented humans can wear it? To me it seems plausible but I want to know what the master thinks.


Thank you but it feels incredibly odd being called "the master" just keep it to the user name for now.

We already know they have Mark VII



Posted by: Leaf Dragoon
that's something that confused me glasslands says the voi memorial took place after the arbiter returns home, but in halo 3
the voi memorial is followed by the scene where the the arbiter talks to the shipmaster and wonders if there own world is safe even though according to glasslands he had already been there.



You clearly don't understand the point of that scene and the Fact Rtas hadn't been to Sanghelios and wanted to see it for himself.

not to mention Thel comments on their homeworld.

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  • 03.18.2012 11:36 AM PDT

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Weight was not the problem. It can support itself. Reflex time was, and the force the armor generated when it moved. It moved too quickly for normal people to bring under control, and moved with such force that it literally tore joints from their sockets and snapped bones like twigs. They would have to make the amour's movements much slower and weaker. Even IF the armor was the same, they still do not have the biological augmentations, which account for the majority of the Spartan's strength and speed. The armor is just an aid. The armor of the Spartan-IVs would actually have to be significantly more powerful than Mjolnir to get them to the level of a Spartan-II and make up for the absence in augmentations. It would have to make up for the factor 3 (Or 6?) strength that the augments provided and the factor 3 boost that it gave to reflexes. (As the Spartans got older these may have increased too...) Their reaction time (Speed at which they analyze their surroundings) won't change, so they won't have that edge the Spartans have where they are always a step ahead of their opponents. That came with the alterations to their nervous system. They won't get improved senses either, and they will be quite short.

With no augments (Essentially a normal Human) and substantially weaker armor opponents like the Elites will piss all over them.

  • 03.18.2012 12:02 PM PDT

sorry, been a while since i've played halo 3 campaign so some of the details are starting to get a bit fuzzy.

  • 03.18.2012 2:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: UphillMercury

Posted by: TS Legaia
I'm sorry if I sound ignorant, but was there any indication of when mc woke up or in which timeline this game is set. Since people here are obsessed with phrases such as "it's only been a short while, how could humanity have discovered so much in such a short time".


grey101 and I were debating Glasslands, which occurs after Halo 3. My apologies for the confusion.


You might want to check the dates since Glasslands ends with the Voi memorial. meaning it takes place during halo 3.


Halo: Glasslands takes place after the events of Halo 3, when the Human-Covenant War ended. One of the plots was inciting a civil war on Sangeilos, which was already unstable due to a lack of economy. Most of the citizens knew nothing else but their roles in which they performed during the war. During the events of Glasslands, an armistice was in effect until a formal ceasefire could be signed at a later date.

Proof:

Header, Chapter 3, page 70
"It's been announced today that Admiral Lord Hood, Chief of Naval Operations, is to head a diplomatic mission to surviving earth colonies to discuss reconstruction."

Page 52
"Nothing had changed since the Covenant had fallen, just the deceptive surface of events, but Jul 'Mdama despaired of making the Arbiter listen."

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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I said check the dates in the book, not give me a summary of the book plot.

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Posted by: grey101
I said check the dates in the book, not give me a summary of the book plot.


I did not give you a summary of the book. I gave you quotes that support my point, and outline the fact that the book does, in fact, take place after the events of Halo 3, as the first date mentioned in the book is January, 2553, which is after the events of Halo 3, as it ends in late December 2552.

Proof: Page 17

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