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Subject: The end of Halo.

A couple of misconceptions in this thread. First, Bungie didn't have a 10-year contract with Microsoft like they now do with Activision. Bungie were owned by Microsoft. In 2007, a deal was struck for Bungie to become independent again, and part of the deal was that they had to make two more Halo games (ODST and Reach).

Posted by: Onyx81
Oh yeah, one last thing, the head guy that worked on Halo 2 with Bungie, Frank O'Conner, he's now the head guy for Halo 4.


Frank O'Connor was not the "head guy" for Halo 2. He was a gaming journalist hired by Bungie during the later stages of Halo 2's development to engage in more direct PR with the community and gaming press and to manage the content on the Bungie.net website. For Halo 3 he helped to work on the in-game combat dialogue, but as far as I know that's his biggest actual contribution to any of Bungie's games.

I don't understand why so many people think he created Halo or was the lead designer or project lead on the earlier Halo games, and it's frankly (no pun intended) annoying because it means that the people who were actually responsible for those things don't get due credit from the community.

Also, isn't Josh Holmes the "head guy" for Halo 4? I thought Frank O'Connor's role at 343 was more to do with managing the wider Halo brand for Microsoft than actual game design or development.

  • 03.15.2012 6:30 PM PDT

true dat

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Posted by: Tactical Pancake
"I'd have to say Lockout was the worst"


I'm pretty sure that's heresy, and that it conflicts with the "Code of Manliness" - page 792, section E subsection D paragraph 3.2. I suggest you relay that statement.

To be honest I share some of your centiments to a much lesser degree, and I think you went a little hard on 343i. Yeah, they're not Bungie, but Bungie, keeping in mind what's best for itself, did what they had to do to go independent from Microsoft. They've never been a studio that wanted to work for "The Man."

Take everything you see from 343 with a grain of salt. I do agree that this is the end of Halo canon. I think there are quite a few people that think the games were based off of the novels; however, it's vice versa. Know that this is not necessarily what went down . Really you can just use this to block out anything you don't like as being true hahaha.

You have to keep in mind it will be different but appreciate it for what it is.

Calling for a boycott of the new games is illogical. If a boycott should be instituted for 343i's games then the same should be done for the novels, comics, and everything else that wasn't directly from the hand of Bungie.

Halo CEA was a nice remake of Halo CE. The gameplay was identical and the game capitalized on uninterested would be halo fans that perhaps, would not have bought Halo CE due to it's old school nature.

Take a minute a feel it out yo.

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Posted by: Leaf Dragoon
who in their right mind would have told you that bungie didn't want to make more halo.
Um, Bungie.

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Posted by: BamSaidTheLady
A couple of misconceptions in this thread. First, Bungie didn't have a 10-year contract with Microsoft like they now do with Activision. Bungie were owned by Microsoft. In 2007, a deal was struck for Bungie to become independent again, and part of the deal was that they had to make two more Halo games (ODST and Reach).

Posted by: Onyx81
Oh yeah, one last thing, the head guy that worked on Halo 2 with Bungie, Frank O'Conner, he's now the head guy for Halo 4.


Frank O'Connor was not the "head guy" for Halo 2. He was a gaming journalist hired by Bungie during the later stages of Halo 2's development to engage in more direct PR with the community and gaming press and to manage the content on the Bungie.net website. For Halo 3 he helped to work on the in-game combat dialogue, but as far as I know that's his biggest actual contribution to any of Bungie's games.

I don't understand why so many people think he created Halo or was the lead designer or project lead on the earlier Halo games, and it's frankly (no pun intended) annoying because it means that the people who were actually responsible for those things don't get due credit from the community.

Also, isn't Josh Holmes the "head guy" for Halo 4? I thought Frank O'Connor's role at 343 was more to do with managing the wider Halo brand for Microsoft than actual game design or development.
you are most likely correct. I'm using the information I've heard tons of other people use, along with my vague memory of the break-up. Sorry.

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lots of people who worked on halo, now work at 343. i have faith that 343 can make a sick halo game

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Posted by: Zig
lots of people who worked on halo, now work at 343. i have faith that 343 can make a sick halo game


Bungie and 343 have both confirmed that only a small handful of 343 employees have ever worked for Bungie. They've put together a very talented team with experience from all over the industry, and I'm sure they have what it takes. But the idea that 343 is full of Halo veterans is a myth.

  • 03.15.2012 9:05 PM PDT

just double checked my source after halo 3 microsoft tried to kick bungie out but bungie talked them into two more games ODST and reach. while bungie did say they wanted to be independent from microsoft that does not mean they wanted to stop making halo it simply means they wanted to make halo for xbox without microsoft telling them what to do.

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Posted by: Leaf Dragoon
just double checked my source after halo 3 microsoft tried to kick bungie out but bungie talked them into two more games ODST and reach. while bungie did say they wanted to be independent from microsoft that does not mean they wanted to stop making halo it simply means they wanted to make halo for xbox without microsoft telling them what to do.


Must be a highly credible source. halobungiegossip.blogspot.com, amirite?

You can do what you want OP, but I'm still buying the future Halo games. Seeing as how 343 hasn't really made anything yet, I'm going to invest a little faith and play Halo 4 before I make any judgements.

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Posted by: Leaf Dragoon
bungie lied and said they chose to leave in farewell viddoc they were being polite and didn't want people to think they were jerks
by telling everyone it was microsoft's fault.


No, they got tired of making Halo, so they did that, they gave over the franchise to Microsoft and 343 Industries.

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Posted by: CrabbySpider
People said it was the end of Halo before Halo 3 came out.


This pretty much. After years of the same thing it's good to see another studio take over and give the Master Chief life again.

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There is no end to a Halo.

It is a bloody ring. Where do you even know where to start???

  • 03.16.2012 2:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

What is it with all the ignorants today?

Bro. Bungie didn't give up Halo. They don't even own it, Microsoft does and they gave it over to 343 to continue making game while Bungie moves on to other projects.

Get your -blam!- facts straight before you start talking nonsense, acting like you know something.

  • 03.16.2012 8:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: Leaf Dragoon
just double checked my source after halo 3 microsoft tried to kick bungie out but bungie talked them into two more games ODST and reach. while bungie did say they wanted to be independent from microsoft that does not mean they wanted to stop making halo it simply means they wanted to make halo for xbox without microsoft telling them what to do.


Are you mentally backwards?

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Posted by: Leaf Dragoon
just double checked my source

Cite it.

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Posted by: Leaf Dragoon
just double checked my source

Cite it.


I honestly spit my drink out when a read this and doubled over.

  • 03.16.2012 11:21 AM PDT

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