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Subject: Why Halo 2 is better than Halo 4?

Cause Halo 2 was created by Bungie and not giving the torch by someone else.

  • 03.19.2012 6:34 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

...OK?

  • 03.19.2012 9:52 AM PDT

Screw Off you Benidict Assface!!

Maps, gameplay, campain.

  • 03.19.2012 10:00 AM PDT
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"Why is Halo 2 better than a game that most people know little about as of right now."

All this shows is fanatic devotion towards Bungie as though no other studio could ever create something worthwhile. As for what I've seen from 343, they've got the best line up I've ever seen. Better than any Bungie team in the past that's worked on it in terms of experience.

This entire attitude rests on the shoulders of completely ignorant fans (fanatics) that can't even attempt to look at the situation objectively. All you see is that Bungie isn't working on it and that immediately makes it seem like a load of crap. You don't take the time to realize that most of the Halo games by "Bungie" have been made by different groups of people under the direction of the main Bungie guys such as Jason Jones (Not for most of Halo 2 actually), Joseph Staten, Marcus Lehto, Curtis Creamer, etc.

The developers for Halo 4 that were grabbed from other studios are top notch. One of them being Sparth. Probably one of, if not the best, in his field. Most people with the sort of attitude that you have would have most believe that the people that are working on Halo 4 were just picked off the street at random, but that can not be farther from the truth. 343 Industries has an amazing team and it would be difficult for them to screw this up with that sort of talent.

Posted by: SquadalaMan94
Maps, gameplay, campain.
Oh! You've played through Halo 4's campaign, know all the multiplayer maps by heart, and have extensive knowledge about its gameplay? Please tell me more. The Halo community would be extremely gracious for some details.

[Edited on 03.19.2012 12:19 PM PDT]

  • 03.19.2012 11:51 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Dr Syx
"Why is Halo 2 better than a game that most people know little about as of right now."

All this shows is fanatic devotion towards Bungie as though no other studio could ever create something worthwhile. As for what I've seen from 343, they've got the best line up I've ever seen. Better than any Bungie team in the past that's worked on it in terms of experience.
Posted by: SquadalaMan94
Maps, gameplay, campain.
Oh! You've played through Halo 4's campaign, know all the multiplayer maps by heart, and have extensive knowledge about its gameplay? Please tell me more. The Halo community would be extremely gracious for some details.


Lol. I agree you guys should give 343 a chance we havent even seen what they are capable of yet. Perhaps Halo 4 will make all other Halos look like a sh1t stain on a wall, but perhaps Halo 4 may BE the sh1t stain on the wall. We cant judge until we see it

  • 03.19.2012 12:16 PM PDT
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How could you stick with Bungie after what they did in their last days with Halo (H3-Reach)?

-invisible barriers in low or accessible places
-10 second countdowns
-ruining friendly AI for no valid reason
-sacrificing canon and realism for gameplay
-ruining the AR (weak as hell) and needler (op) while making the plasma rifle underpowered on Legendary (in Reach). And don't get me started with the plasma pistol overcharge spam
-forcing players to ration their shots (Bloom)
-essentially untouched checkpoint system (it needed a heck lot of refining imo)
-Wraith, scorpion, hog, Banshee, nearly every vehicle is op while too susceptible to small arms fire. Vehicles are often death traps
-last Bungie Day was a disappointment IIRC
-Reach Demo is a disappointment (on the other hand... it could have been Microsoft's decision to screw it up)

I'm looking forward to Halo 4 after seeing 343's work on the friendly AI (restoring to them to H2/H3 aggression in CEA firefight).

  • 03.19.2012 1:21 PM PDT

Rofl, this thread is hilarious! Keep going on guys.

EDIT: I told myself I wouldn't bother in this thread. As people get upset easily in threads like these (just look around), but I felt this quote needed to be confronted.

I'm looking forward to Halo 4 after seeing 343's work on the friendly AI (restoring to them to H2/H3 aggression in CEA firefight).

Woah Woah woah, hold your horses. The AI is the exact same. And if anything, they made the firefight AI dumber, as they simply stand there and do nothing. They won't even get in my warthog. And a power weapon? Well, if I want to get blown up, yeah sure, give them one. They'll make sure they betray you.

[Edited on 03.19.2012 1:40 PM PDT]

  • 03.19.2012 1:32 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Sliding Ghost
How could you stick with Bungie after what they did in their last days with Halo (H3-Reach)?

-invisible barriers in low or accessible places
-10 second countdowns
-ruining friendly AI for no valid reason
-sacrificing canon and realism for gameplay
-ruining the AR (weak as hell) and needler (op) while making the plasma rifle underpowered on Legendary (in Reach). And don't get me started with the plasma pistol overcharge spam
-forcing players to ration their shots (Bloom)
-essentially untouched checkpoint system (it needed a heck lot of refining imo)
-Wraith, scorpion, hog, Banshee, nearly every vehicle is op while too susceptible to small arms fire. Vehicles are often death traps
-last Bungie Day was a disappointment IIRC
-Reach Demo is a disappointment (on the other hand... it could have been Microsoft's decision to screw it up)

I'm looking forward to Halo 4 after seeing 343's work on the friendly AI (restoring to them to H2/H3 aggression in CEA firefight).


I agree friendly AI need improved, in CE they run you over, in Halo 2 they freeze for no reason, in Halo 3 they run me over and blow me up with rocket launchers, and dont get me started on Buck on Coastal Highway

  • 03.19.2012 1:34 PM PDT
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Because I can betray an entire team for 15 minutes and not get perm banned.

  • 03.19.2012 1:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sliding Ghost
How could you stick with Bungie after what they did in their last days with Halo (H3-Reach)?

-invisible barriers in low or accessible places
-10 second countdowns
-ruining friendly AI for no valid reason
-sacrificing canon and realism for gameplay
-ruining the AR (weak as hell) and needler (op) while making the plasma rifle underpowered on Legendary (in Reach). And don't get me started with the plasma pistol overcharge spam
-forcing players to ration their shots (Bloom)
-essentially untouched checkpoint system (it needed a heck lot of refining imo)
-Wraith, scorpion, hog, Banshee, nearly every vehicle is op while too susceptible to small arms fire. Vehicles are often death traps
-last Bungie Day was a disappointment IIRC
-Reach Demo is a disappointment (on the other hand... it could have been Microsoft's decision to screw it up)

I'm looking forward to Halo 4 after seeing 343's work on the friendly AI (restoring to them to H2/H3 aggression in CEA firefight).


I'm missing how any of that is to be attributed to Halo 3. All you stated were Reach problems.

  • 03.19.2012 1:38 PM PDT
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Halo 3 is my favorite game of all time, period. That's multiplayer, single player, co-op campaign, everything. I -blam!- love halo 3 and I include ODST coz it has Halo 3 in the title =)

I remember debating the H2 community for their ignorance to progress in the series, but to criticize a game that isn't even out yet is a new low. Halo 2 fanboys never cease to amaze me.

  • 03.19.2012 1:42 PM PDT


Posted by: iLeGeND2
I remember debating the H2 community for their ignorance to progress in the series, but to criticize a game that isn't even out yet is a new low. Halo 2 fanboys never cease to amaze me.

The additions are pretty controversial. Maybe the campaign of Halo 4 won't be too much different, but the Multiplayer is completely changed. Only thing that's going to stay the same, to our knowledge, is weapons and shield mechanics.

  • 03.19.2012 1:45 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: InvasionImminent

Posted by: iLeGeND2
I remember debating the H2 community for their ignorance to progress in the series, but to criticize a game that isn't even out yet is a new low. Halo 2 fanboys never cease to amaze me.

The additions are pretty controversial. Maybe the campaign of Halo 4 won't be too much different, but the Multiplayer is completely changed. Only thing that's going to stay the same, to our knowledge, is weapons and shield mechanics.


Perhaps custom load outs wont be too bad as long as power weapons, snipers, needlers and plasma pistols and not allowed.

  • 03.19.2012 1:51 PM PDT


Posted by: iLeGeND2
I remember debating the H2 community for their ignorance to progress in the series, but to criticize a game that isn't even out yet is a new low. Halo 2 fanboys never cease to amaze me.
Now that you've reached the pinnacle (REACH) of halo gaming, how's that progress you talked about going?

  • 03.19.2012 1:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy

I agree friendly AI need improved, in CE they run you over, in Halo 2 they freeze for no reason, in Halo 3 they run me over and blow me up with rocket launchers, and dont get me started on Buck on Coastal Highway
CE can be excused because they were very primitive and there was never any consideration for friendly fire.

In H2, often AI are territorial. Freezing is often related to vehicles. So I'm not surprised if they don't follow me. What surprises me is that most of them charge ahead of me.

In H3, I never got run over by a marine unless they were in a Chopper. I only got run into. But yes, they blew me up as well (but not as much as Reach troopers).

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost

I'm missing how any of that is to be attributed to Halo 3.  All you stated were Reach problems.
Tighter invisible barriers were in H3 as well, to a lesser degree. There weren't 10 second countdowns but there were spots that killed you instantly. Just yesterday, I tried to go up the elevator on Crow's Nest so I could get 2 Pelicans and guess what happened. The 1.2 TU seems to have placed death barriers at some point.

H3 Needler is op in the hands of the player. Tbh, I prefer supercombines that aren't instant detonations.

Cp system is still unchanged from H2 but I like how H3 has 1 thing from CE: checkpoint hotspots. Still, it's minimal and not used very often.

Posted by: InvasionImminent
And if anything, they made the firefight AI dumber, as they simply stand there and do nothing. They won't even get in my warthog. And a power weapon? Well, if I want to get blown up, yeah sure, give them one. They'll make sure they betray you.
See here and read until page 14.

Turns out that the ODSTs at the beginning are decoys (aka idiots) and the ones that spawn at the end of a round (IIRC) are the new improved AI (they still have that sluggishness though).

Anyways, I take back what I said about 343 being on the right track. This was an eye opener. 343 needs to focus on gameplay more than graphics. CEA turns out to be an inconsistent disaster.

[Edited on 03.19.2012 2:23 PM PDT]

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Posted by: InvasionImminent
The additions are pretty controversial. Maybe the campaign of Halo 4 won't be too much different, but the Multiplayer is completely changed. Only thing that's going to stay the same, to our knowledge, is weapons and shield mechanics.
Everything that the media has been saying is greatly exaggerated just to get views. They were looking for excuses to have Call of Duty/Battlefield in their stories to get more views. Also to assure strong emotions from the Halo fan base.

No one at 343 Industries, just the press, talked about the sort of stuff you're thinking of when it comes to Halo 4's multiplayer. It is true that Frankie said stuff about armor being more than just an aesthetic choice in Halo 4 in some situations but no one from 343 said "Perks". IGN just jumped to conclusions from what Frankie said. In fact, he's been constantly saying what they've done does not reflect, in any way, what CoD/BF have for their games. That it fits with Halo perfectly.

Any sort of change makes the Halo community go crazy. Someone from this forum jumped ship on Firefox last night just because they changed the way you view images after "standing by" Firefox for a long time. We don't even know what sorts of changes Halo 4 will have other than the hitscan Battle Rifle (As in it'll be a lot like the Halo 2 BR), faster movement speeds in default gametypes, and purpose built maps. Every single one of those things are great for Halo in my opinion. It sounds great. Now hold onto your horses and let them explain, when they can, what Frankie meant when he was talking about the armor not always being just an aesthetic choice.

Just to sum this up, anyone who is already hating on Halo 4 and saying it's terrible is showing absolute ignorance. They're a fanatic to either one of the Halo games or Bungie. Halo forums seem to be filled to the brim with these sorts of people that can not think objectively. To them, nothing will ever be better than Halo 2 or no team will ever be able to create a better Halo than Bungie. These thoughts are predetermined and are of blind ignorance. It's not 343's fault, not Halo 4's fault, but it's their fault.

[Edited on 03.19.2012 2:34 PM PDT]

  • 03.19.2012 2:23 PM PDT

Posted by: bayareaboss510
One game I'm not joking a little like 7 year old said and I quote " tell me what your dick looks like so I can imagine it in my head and beat off to it"


Posted by: TheColdWolf
If Team Swat became ranked, would there still be no shields?


Amazing!


Posted by: h2fanboi712
I'm missing how any of that is to be attributed to Halo 3. All you stated were Reach problems.
You want H3 problems? Short list:

- maps were mostly garbage
- campaign story was a cow patty
- ruined the best character in the series, the Arbiter
- simultaneous beatdowns/kills
- vehicle stun
- slow run speed
- equipment bringing in luck
- gametypes went to -blam!-
- BR was bad because of bullet travel time
- weapons were for the most part useless or mundane

  • 03.19.2012 2:28 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Striker029

Posted by: h2fanboi712
I'm missing how any of that is to be attributed to Halo 3. All you stated were Reach problems.
You want H3 problems? Short list:

- maps were mostly garbage
- campaign story was a cow patty
- ruined the best character in the series, the Arbiter
- simultaneous beatdowns/kills
- vehicle stun
- slow run speed
- equipment bringing in luck
- gametypes went to -blam!-
- BR was bad because of bullet travel time
- weapons were for the most part useless or mundane


Story? Cow patty? Heresy! I agree the story could have been told better but the story itself was great, if only there was another Ark mission or two and not 5 missions in Kenya

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Posted by: Striker029
- maps were mostly garbage
Maps are being purpose built for Halo 4
- campaign story was a cow pattyThey've got amazing writers working on Halo 4. Best in the industry in my opinion. Time will tell how it will turn out, though.
- slow run speedFaster movement speeds in Halo 4
- gametypes went to -blam!-You'll have to elaborate on this. You could essentially make every gametype that was in Halo 2 and more.
- BR was bad because of bullet travel time Halo 4's BR will be hitscan.
- weapons were for the most part useless or mundaneThis was actually a problem with Halo 2 as well and I believe it's mostly caused by the dual-wielding scheme. Halo 4 won't have this and I'm glad it won't.

Taking all that into account, doesn't Halo 4 look a bit more promising than most are making it out to be? Looks like you'll most likely enjoy Halo 4 more than you did Halo 3.

[Edited on 03.19.2012 3:14 PM PDT]

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Hey.

Sure, let's compare a game to another that hasn't even been released yet. That makes a lot of sense. *cough*

  • 03.19.2012 4:23 PM PDT

Straight Edge.

Halo 2 is my favorite game, so I'm biased. I like Halo 3 though. Reach was lame. Why can't they just release Halo 2 Multiplayer on Arcade so I never have to buy another Halo game again..

  • 03.19.2012 7:41 PM PDT


Posted by: Dr Syx
Everything that the media has been saying is greatly exaggerated just to get views. They were looking for excuses to have Call of Duty/Battlefield in their stories to get more views. Also to assure strong emotions from the Halo fan base.

I got my Halo 4 news directly from 343i.


Any sort of change makes the Halo community go crazy. Someone from this forum jumped ship on Firefox last night just because they changed the way you view images after "standing by" Firefox for a long time. We don't even know what sorts of changes Halo 4 will have other than the hitscan Battle Rifle (As in it'll be a lot like the Halo 2 BR), faster movement speeds in default gametypes, and purpose built maps. Every single one of those things are great for Halo in my opinion. It sounds great. Now hold onto your horses and let them explain, when they can, what Frankie meant when he was talking about the armor not always being just an aesthetic choice.

I don't really care about what degree armor changes gameplay, all I do know is if armor changes gameplay, then the game will most likely be progressive ranking (as in you unlock armor as you rank up), and those games suck.


Just to sum this up, anyone who is already hating on Halo 4 and saying it's terrible is showing absolute ignorance. They're a fanatic to either one of the Halo games or Bungie. Halo forums seem to be filled to the brim with these sorts of people that can not think objectively. To them, nothing will ever be better than Halo 2 or no team will ever be able to create a better Halo than Bungie. These thoughts are predetermined and are of blind ignorance. It's not 343's fault, not Halo 4's fault, but it's their fault.

No, it's their fault alright. I know people were fanboys towards Halo 2 (like TM), but a lot of people stick with Halo 2 because we like it the most for whatever reason. We simply want the best Halo game possible, and it's not our fault many feel that way towards Halo 2.

As for the companies, compare Bungie to 343i. As you can see, they haven't done a lot, but they're still a young (very young compared to Bungie) so I give them slack. However, changing core Halo elements is not going to turn the tide in their favor. So what do you expect when people judge and the people like Bungie more?

  • 03.19.2012 7:45 PM PDT


Posted by: Dr Syx
Just to sum this up, anyone who is already hating on Halo 4 and saying it's terrible is showing absolute ignorance. They're a fanatic to either one of the Halo games or Bungie. Halo forums seem to be filled to the brim with these sorts of people that can not think objectively. To them, nothing will ever be better than Halo 2 or no team will ever be able to create a better Halo than Bungie. These thoughts are predetermined and are of blind ignorance.
Lol, so we are filled to the brim with people who's predetermined thoughts are blindly ignorant and lack objectivity? Who said you have an abrasive personality?

  • 03.19.2012 9:22 PM PDT
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Lol, so we are filled to the brim with people who's predetermined thoughts are blindly ignorant and lack objectivity? Who said you have an abrasive personality?
I'm sorry but that's what I see in a large amount of the people here. Even though I don't mean to be offensive about it, there's no real way to say it without offending people. People here have passionate attachments to either Bungie, a Halo, or multiple Halos. That passion often sways their judgment.

Any sort of predetermined thought is a bad thought. That means you're coming to a conclusion without any real information. That also means the conclusion is a result of blind and ignorant thought process.

Keep in mind I'm not saying just the Halo 2 forum is like this. I'm saying that every single one of these forums have a large quantity of people like this. In fact, not only do I believe this is true for a majority of the users on this site, I think it's a majority of the gaming community in a whole. The fact that many hold being a "fanatic" for these things, label themselves according to what product they prefer the most and ruthlessly attack people who prefer something else shows this is absolutely true.

Also, I would say I'm blunt. That can be annoying to people but I couldn't really care less. People will disagree with your view points at times and want to discuss it with you. In fact, this is what this forum is for. It's for discussion. I'm not giving out my opinion in hopes to annoy someone. I do it because I like Halo and I like discussing it with other people.

[Edited on 03.19.2012 9:47 PM PDT]

  • 03.19.2012 9:41 PM PDT


Posted by: Dr Syx
That means you're coming to a conclusion without any real information.

We have Halo 4 gameplay footage. If we want to say "It looks bad" based on that footage, then so be it. Though it is not concrete, we can indeed have predetermined opinions, even without footage.

  • 03.19.2012 9:48 PM PDT