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Subject: Why Halo 2 is better than Halo 4?
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Posted by: InvasionImminent
We have Halo 4 gameplay footage. If we want to say "It looks bad" based on that footage, then so be it. Though it is not concrete, we can indeed have predetermined opinions, even without footage.
I'm talking about people like the OP. The people who had already decided Halo 4 was going to be a bad game way before this footage ever released. If someone has a valid opinion on something they saw in the released footage that would cause them to believe it's going to be bad then that's not a predetermined opinion. I can respect that.

The Halo 2 community ought to find a bit of interest in this game, though. Hitscan BR, faster movement speeds, purpose built maps... All of these things are more like Halo 2 than 3 or Reach were. When pretty much everything that has been shown shows that it's more like Halo 2 than 3 or Reach, I'd think that Halo 2 players would gravitate to a positive response. The problem is that most already had a predetermined opinion that Halo 4 would be terrible and all they want is a remake of Halo 2. That nothing will ever be as good as Halo 2. That's what I was saying in my previous posts.

Opinions are opinions, no matter how terrible their foundation is. People have a right to have predetermined opinions, but at the same time I have a right to actively talk about how I despise how people have predetermined opinions. My hope is that at least 1 person might think of Halo 4 objectively to give it a chance whereas before they would automatically turn it down without giving 343 Industries and the rest of the Halo series a slight chance.

[Edited on 03.19.2012 10:13 PM PDT]

  • 03.19.2012 9:51 PM PDT


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Lol, so we are filled to the brim with people who's predetermined thoughts are blindly ignorant and lack objectivity? Who said you have an abrasive personality?
I'm sorry but that's what I see in a large amount of the people here. Even though I don't mean to be offensive about it, there's no real way to say it without offending people. People here have passionate attachments to either Bungie, a Halo, or multiple Halos. That passion often sways their judgment.

Any sort of predetermined thought is a bad thought. That means you're coming to a conclusion without any real information. That also means the conclusion is a result of blind and ignorant thought process.

Keep in mind I'm not saying just the Halo 2 forum is like this. I'm saying that every single one of these forums have a large quantity of people like this. In fact, not only do I believe this is true for a majority of the users on this site, I think it's a majority of the gaming community in a whole. The fact that many hold being a "fanatic" for these things, label themselves according to what product they prefer the most and ruthlessly attack people who prefer something else shows this is absolutely true.

Also, I would say I'm blunt. That can be annoying to people but I couldn't really care less. People will disagree with your view points at times and want to discuss it with you. In fact, this is what this forum is for. It's for discussion. I'm not giving out my opinion in hopes to annoy someone. I do it because I like Halo and I like discussing it with other people.
I see, so you start this discussion with 'full to the brim with blind ignorance'. My ass

You know what, you are the fanatic here. You write WOT's and carry on like what you say has any importance. We could care less about your WOT's and I doubt anyone really reads all your dull boring text about how smart you are to notice how dumb everyone else is.

At this point I don't think you come here for discussion, I think you really do come here to troll. I'm done with you.

[Edited on 03.19.2012 10:57 PM PDT]

  • 03.19.2012 10:44 PM PDT


Posted by: Grumpy1

At this point I don't think you come here for discussion, I think you really do come here to troll. I'm done with you.

I don't think he's trolling. Every experiment needs a control.

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I see, so you start this discussion with 'full to the brim with blind ignorance'. My ass
I have a right to my opinion and that's my opinion. If you dislike me calling people ignorant then you ought to stop saying the things you say about me all the time as well.

You know what, you are the fanatic here."Fan" is short for "Fanatic". What am I a "fanatic" of? The people I'm speaking of definitely call themselves "fans" of a specific Halo or Bungie.
You write WOT's and carry on like what you say has any importance. We could care less about your WOT's and I doubt anyone really reads all your dull boring text about how smart you are to notice how dumb everyone else is.Last time I checked, this is a gaming forum. Nothing anyone says here has any real importance anyways. Also, it seems you, InvasionImminent, and a few other people do read my long posts. People can choose to read them if they want. I'm not forcing them to do so. Just because you dislike my opinions doesn't mean you should feel you have the right to tell me I have no right to do it.

I don't think I'm any better than anyone else. Everyone has a right to their opinions no matter if anyone disagrees with them. I've said this many times.

At this point I don't think you come here for discussion, I think you really do come here to troll. I'm done with you.You keep on lumping me in with trolls making remarks about how I'm such a terrible person for sharing my opinion on a discussion forum. Like I said before, I don't post here to bring out hateful remarks. In fact, I've fought against people who do that here. You can even go back to the thread where an actual troll posted a thread about how Halo 3 was better than Halo 2. I posted with a sensible response leading to a "I ain't even mad" image. No troll tries to defeat the purpose of another troll in the forum he supposedly trolls.

It's obvious that you have an extreme dislike towards me for my opinions. You have to remember one thing, though. These opinions are about video games. While there are strong feelings towards these things, they're still entertainment products. Surely a middle aged man as yourself has lived long enough to realize you ought not go to the point of extreme dislike for a person over video game discussions and resulting to calling them a "troll" at every turn.

No matter how you feel towards me, I still think you're a great guy that has a lot to contribute to this forum. That you've been an invaluable part of this community. You even helped me out a lot through your videos to show some amazing things I never could have thought of doing. It's just a shame to me that you'd lump me in with the likes of this when I've shown a great deal of dedication to this game.

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Ive been a HALO fan since i 1st read about it in a magazine from 1999 or 2000. Since then on all of the titles, i couldnt wait for any of the games to be released from seeing images or footage of the games, anticipating and waiting for them to be released. I just dont get that with Halo 4, i dont know if its cause im just gettin tired of the developers changing the look of the games all the time or if im just HALO'ed out, IDK. What i do know is that its "JUST A GAME AND EVERY ONE HAS A TITLE TO THER OWN OPINION". In my opinion HALO 4 looks alot different than the other titles, the SPARTANS dont look like SPARTANS & why does MASTER CHIEf's armor looks alot different than in HALO 3? I dont recall that CYRO CHAMBERS replace or upgrade ARMOR, i hope they explain that (like in the beginning of HALO 2, they did). This is how i felt about REACH too, ever since REACH i dont like the look of the SPARTANS. And in HALO 4, now they call them MARK IV SPARTANS, its like they keep changing and making up stuff along the way that doesnt make sense. How would every body feel if NINTENDO changed the look of MARIO & LUIGI or LINK or SAMUS? People would be ticked off, i know i would. I know that in a game your suppose expand & make it better but why change the look of the main character? Keep it the same and simple, thats the way i feel. I have a bunch of close friends that feel the same way too & im sure we arent the only ones that feel this way.

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Posted by: vBRUTALITYv
Ive been a HALO fan since i 1st read about it in a magazine from 1999 or 2000. Since then on all of the titles, i couldnt wait for any of the games to be released from seeing images or footage of the games, anticipating and waiting for them to be released. I just dont get that with Halo 4, i dont know if its cause im just gettin tired of the developers changing the look of the games all the time or if im just HALO'ed out, IDK. What i do know is that its "JUST A GAME AND EVERY ONE HAS A TITLE TO THER OWN OPINION". In my opinion HALO 4 looks alot different than the other titles, the SPARTANS dont look like SPARTANS & why does MASTER CHIEf's armor looks alot different than in HALO 3? I dont recall that CYRO CHAMBERS replace or upgrade ARMOR, i hope they explain that (like in the beginning of HALO 2, they did). This is how i felt about REACH too, ever since REACH i dont like the look of the SPARTANS. And in HALO 4, now they call them MARK IV SPARTANS, its like they keep changing and making up stuff along the way that doesnt make sense. How would every body feel if NINTENDO changed the look of MARIO & LUIGI or LINK or SAMUS? People would be ticked off, i know i would. I know that in a game your suppose expand & make it better but why change the look of the main character? Keep it the same and simple, thats the way i feel. I have a bunch of close friends that feel the same way too & im sure we arent the only ones that feel this way.


I believe there is a fairly valid reason why the Spartan 4's exist.

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Posted by: BenTheSlayer011
I believe there is a fairly valid reason why the Spartan 4's exist.
Same. I find a lot of people taking the entire "Spartan IVs will change everything" thought a little too far. Whatever changes they're making to the physical attributes of the spartans will be for gameplay purposes, not to fit the canon of Spartan IVs. If it does fit the canon, they probably wrote the canon the way they did to fit in with multiplayer.

I think the adding of canon to multiplayer is probably just an interesting twist they realized they could do with something they already had cooking for the main story. Either way it's not a big deal if you don't have a desire for it. You could completely ignore it and have the exact same experience you would have else wise.

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  • 03.20.2012 11:31 AM PDT

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  • 03.20.2012 1:15 PM PDT

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If Team Swat became ranked, would there still be no shields?


Amazing!

Posted by: Dr Syx
You'll have to elaborate on this. You could essentially make every gametype that was in Halo 2 and more.
I do hope I have more fun than I did in Reach and Halo 3 in Halo 4. Time will tel. Very skeptical on the loadouts/AA and other weapons.

As for your quote here, here is why. You CANNOT replicate 3 Plots from Halo 2. It is physically impossible to do so in Halo 3. You also CANNOT have the same style of Assault had, which was the bomb getting armed, and then planted. You can't plant it in Reach either, only just arming it and attempting to defuse. 2's version of Assault is my favorite of the series. And there were no variety in gametypes in Halo 3's Slayer, either. No Team Rifles, no Human CTF, no true Covenant CTF, it was a big disappointment.

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As for your quote here, here is why. You CANNOT replicate 3 Plots from Halo 2. It is physically impossible to do so in Halo 3. You also CANNOT have the same style of Assault had, which was the bomb getting armed, and then planted. You can't plant it in Reach either, only just arming it and attempting to defuse. 2's version of Assault is my favorite of the series. And there were no variety in gametypes in Halo 3's Slayer, either. No Team Rifles, no Human CTF, no true Covenant CTF, it was a big disappointment.
It's a shame that players must resort to gametype modding to get the gametypes they want.

It's what I did to make my custom games more enjoyable.

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Posted by: Striker029
As for your quote here, here is why. You CANNOT replicate 3 Plots from Halo 2. It is physically impossible to do so in Halo 3. You also CANNOT have the same style of Assault had, which was the bomb getting armed, and then planted. You can't plant it in Reach either, only just arming it and attempting to defuse. 2's version of Assault is my favorite of the series.
That's true. Never thought about that. And there were no variety in gametypes in Halo 3's Slayer, either. No Team Rifles, no Human CTF, no true Covenant CTF, it was a big disappointment. Technically you could have this if you edited the maps in forge. All of this deals with what weapons are on the map and it wouldn't take much at all to manually make those changes in forge.

  • 03.21.2012 10:27 PM PDT

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How about waiting till the game is out before judging how it will play and feel? I would prefer Halo 4 not play like Halo 2 and instead take the series further (no not like Reach). I prefer Halo 3 and Halo CE due to the sandbox nature. Halo 2 had a couple things going for it, but it ultimately lost a lot of the best aspects of Halo CE (skill, balance, quality level design). Funny to see opinion overrides facts here. Well, then again it is the Halo 2 forums. I shouldn't be so surprised.

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I remember debating the H2 community for their ignorance to progress in the series, but to criticize a game that isn't even out yet is a new low. Halo 2 fanboys never cease to amaze me.

The additions are pretty controversial. Maybe the campaign of Halo 4 won't be too much different, but the Multiplayer is completely changed. Only thing that's going to stay the same, to our knowledge, is weapons and shield mechanics.


The additions haven't been addressed in details. It's all speculation and they have stated that the physics of chief will be a medium of Halo 2 and Halo 3. The guns will have recoil like Halo 3 and hitscan like Halo 2. Nothing else has been revealed as far as gameplay. We don't know to what extent these "perks" will affect matchmaking or if they will be across the board in all playlists or limited to specific gametypes.

  • 03.22.2012 6:21 PM PDT

This is actually the stupidest thing ever posted on B.net:

Posted by: the omega man117
Why does everyone hate Halo 2? Maybe its because its the worst game ever next to mario.

Posted by: NOBLE SlX
How about waiting till the game is out before judging how it will play and feel? I would prefer Halo 4 not play like Halo 2 and instead take the series further (no not like Reach). I prefer Halo 3 and Halo CE due to the sandbox nature. Halo 2 had a couple things going for it, but it ultimately lost a lot of the best aspects of Halo CE (skill, balance, quality level design). Funny to see opinion overrides facts here. Well, then again it is the Halo 2 forums. I shouldn't be so surprised.

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Posted by: iLeGeND2
We don't know to what extent these "perks" will affect matchmaking or if they will be across the board in all playlists or limited to specific gametypes.
Even calling them perks is bad. Frankie has said time and time again that they're not a perk system. IGN first used the word "perks". That was just an attempt to relate it to CoD/BF to get more views.

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Posted by: NOBLE SlX
How about waiting till the game is out before judging how it will play and feel? I would prefer Halo 4 not play like Halo 2 and instead take the series further (no not like Reach). I prefer Halo 3 and Halo CE due to the sandbox nature. Halo 2 had a couple things going for it, but it ultimately lost a lot of the best aspects of Halo CE (skill, balance, quality level design). Funny to see opinion overrides facts here. Well, then again it is the Halo 2 forums. I shouldn't be so surprised.
Lol, you want the series furthered but not like REACH. Anything but like Halo 2 eh?
I feel Halo 2 was all around better than CE, not by much but the level design of H2 is far superior, Halo 2 is more balanced. As far as taking more skill, it depends upon what type of skill. For headshots it takes more shooting skill in CE but in H2 the skill level for survival, having to outwit your opponent, having teamwork and speed of play all went up. When noobs can suddenly kill you, you have to get better at other things to survive and stay on top.

I got really bored with CE MP...The headshot took more skill but that made it easier to stay on top. Things changed in H2, for the better. Less emphasis on pure shooting skill and more emphasis on team play, tactics and constant movement.

  • 03.22.2012 8:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: InvasionImminent
yeah! It's NOBALL SIX! Welcome back.
LOL <3 I've been on keeping tabs from time to time, but I was granted an appeal to my perm ban due to evidence in my favor. Good to see everyone is here, except massive. It's a bit odd that someone so vital to the forum has been absent for so long...also odd his tribute thread isn't linked in the Top Forums anymore.

Wow, I just checked back in that thread and you can't even bump it anymore. It's a shame the forums doesn't give more time between posts when a thread has such a large amount of replies.

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No game will ever be better than Halo 2.

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Posted by: Pahat Pojat
No game will ever be better than Halo 2.

That's even worse than an opinion that stating Halo 2 is the best game of all time. At least the latter statement is based on the present time, but if that's how you're going to look at the gaming industry then herp derp. That's just a bad way at looking at the future.

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Posted by: NOBLE SlX
Good to see everyone is here, except massive. It's a bit odd that someone so vital to the forum has been absent for so long...also odd his tribute thread isn't linked in the Top Forums anymore.
I hope I didn't drive him away with my excessive posting activity.

Posted by: Pahat Pojat
No game will ever be better than Halo 2.
What's your opinion on CE? And more importantly, H2 LASO?!!

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What's your opinion on CE?


Spectacular game. But I only truly enjoy it on LAN. I like Halo 2 better all around.

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OP you have a nostalgiaboner for halo 2. You can't judge a game that hasn't even been released yet.

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I hope I didn't drive him away with my excessive posting activity.
I remember hearing he couldn't take the trolls/"trolls" anymore. :P

  • 03.27.2012 2:20 PM PDT