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Subject: MM BTB is destroyed. This is my way of fixing it

If you have searched the March BTB playlist you WILL have played maps and gametypes you have absolutely HATED. Just about every map rewards retards with effortless kills thanks to 20 second spawning scorpions and guass hogs. Every map you have come across in BTB has rewarded retards. From the grifball field of BTB AKA Hemmorage to the shield world sh.it storm known as Cragmire, there has always been a problem with the playlist and its maps gametypes and settings.

Here is a list of maps I wish to be removed entirely from the BTB playlist:
Cragmire: a thumbless kid's wet dream
Graveyard:a thumbless kid's wet dream
Delta Facility: So broken with hard kill zones it needs to go
Asphalt: a thumbless kid's wet dream, so many glitched areas!
Abridged: This map has been updated to patch all these "HLG spots". Whoever made this map is retarded because i can still count more than 10 hiding spots under the map. If you try to "fix" a map. ACTUALLY FIX IT RETARD!


Maps that need fixing:
Wayont: Whos smart idea was to reward pu$$y campers with kills by letting them spawn and hide in a base capable of holding 40 spartans. Half the little kiddies do on wayont is move about 50 metres out of the base to grab all your bk camping equipment
(Rockets, shotgun) then the rest of your -blam!- weapons are already spawning in the base (grenade Launcher and 20 second spawning sticky grenades).
Then to top it off, inside the base there are many Hiding spots for those bad kids wielding stickies, shotties and rockets.
Capping a flag or arming a bomb is almost impossible unless you have a VERY good team that strategically pushes the base all at once.
Ways we can fix Wayont:
Make camping weapons like shotgun and rockets neutral spawning weapons. Campers should have to gain map control and work for their camping equipment.
Remove all stickies from the map and replace them with frags.
Warthogs are useless on that map if the other team simply spawns right on top of stickies and only has to mash the left trigger and boom! free double for the thumbless retard. Teamwork with teamshotting should kill a hog, not a mindless sticky spamming random.

Mt Lam Lam:
Very good addition to MM. The problem again is horrible unwanted HLG spots for the bad kids who are going horribly negative and are trying to preserve their 1.5 k/d in BTB.
Fix these spots and Lam Lam is good to go!

Spire/Boneyard:

These maps are fine on one sided objective ONLY.
Slayer is terrible on these maps.
Boneyard has horrible force fields on top of the map which makes banshee flying a struggle.

Utopie:
Honestly Bungie, the way you replaced this map with Paradiso is pointless. Randoms are still going just as negative due to spawn trapping. Actually they're going even more negative! The only difference is that there is only 1 guy getting EVERY KILL and that's the bansheehttp://www.bungie.net/stats/reach/gamestats.aspx?guid=3358737 279908880125. In Paradiso, the same amount of kills are being dealt except that the kills are being shared out with 2 tanks and 2 banshees. http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/GameStats.aspx?gameid=53917 8121&player=SneeKBoT

Sorry bungie but lowering the weighting of paradiso and adding utopie is just retarded, you didnt "fix" spawn killing. Infact, you probably made it worse.
Infact these days you only need three people to spawn kill on Utopie. One guy gets banshee, the other guy gets snipe and the other holds laser. boom a 3 man spawn kill thanks to bungie removing everything that kills a banshee http://www.bungie.net/stats/reach/gamestats.aspx?guid=1377260 1313046166379

ok... gonna have a break. il finish this post later...


[Edited on 03.21.2012 5:41 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2012 5:39 PM PDT

Wow, I though I was angry at the Infection Campers...

  • 03.21.2012 5:40 PM PDT

New Zealand is pretty much the best place in the world.

http://www.youtube.com/user/8Donny8?feature=mhee

I got a fix

Give btb.net the playlist.

  • 03.21.2012 5:46 PM PDT


Posted by: Lord Donny
I got a fix

Give btb.net the playlist.
donny dont come back to reach, you wont like it.

  • 03.21.2012 5:48 PM PDT

Welcome to the internet. Joy dies here.

Choose the correct solution:
[_] A) Anniversary BTB
[X] B) Adapt
[_] C) Cry moar
[_] D) All of the above

[Edited on 03.21.2012 5:50 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2012 5:50 PM PDT


Posted by: WhackyGordon
Choose the correct solution:
[_] A) Anniversary BTB
[X] B) Adapt
[_] C) Cry moar
[_] D) All of the above
by the look of your terrible stats you have some "adapting" to do kid
http://www.bungie.net/stats/reach/careerstats/playlists.aspx? player=WhackyGordon&vc=3

  • 03.21.2012 5:55 PM PDT

Welcome to the internet. Joy dies here.

lol I'm familiar with my stats thanks.
You might not agree with me, but I think I'm pretty -blam!- funny, even if I do have some rough stats. And bear in mind, I search solo, and I didn't start a new account to hide my terrible stats. Regardless, heavies is not difficult to play well in if you've got some skill. Sounds to me like you either have some unrealistic goal of never dying and being some sort of MM legend or your skill lies primarily in power weapon and map control, and things like fast spawning drop spawned power weapons and jetpacks result in you getting rammed by randoms.

  • 03.21.2012 6:06 PM PDT

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36ha0c/

  • 03.21.2012 6:08 PM PDT

Heavies is a game-type where you die suddenly and unexpectly regardless of your skill, (well, for the average to above average player) mainly because of the scorpion, so your skill isn't the only factor, Your Team Members SKILL is more important than in regular BTB, as he/she is often carrying you in the warthog or the Falcon, which while on the gun you don't have any control.

This also applies, to a lesser extent to the Revenant, Wraith, and Scorpion, if you are in the side or gunners seat.

There is some LUCK involved to, which I know from experience competitive players don't really like playing games where LUCK is a factor

[Edited on 03.21.2012 6:13 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2012 6:13 PM PDT


Posted by: WhackyGordon
lol I'm familiar with my stats thanks.
You might not agree with me, but I think I'm pretty -blam!- funny, even if I do have some rough stats. And bear in mind, I search solo, and I didn't start a new account to hide my terrible stats. Regardless, heavies is not difficult to play well in if you've got some skill. Sounds to me like you either have some unrealistic goal of never dying and being some sort of MM legend or your skill lies primarily in power weapon and map control, and things like fast spawning drop spawned power weapons and jetpacks result in you getting rammed by randoms.
if you dont have a 3.0 full party or not there is something wrong
here's a meme just for you
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35j0po/ heavies is infact very easy for EVERYONE. All of a sudden start to die more by complete spastic randoms tell me something is wrong. People should have to work for kills.

  • 03.21.2012 6:14 PM PDT

Heavies just seems completely random. That's just what randoms like.
players less skilled should never be able to kill players with more experience and skill.

  • 03.21.2012 6:17 PM PDT

Luck is factor in everyday life, why shouldn't it be a factor if Video Games, it even is in many RPGs.

A Good player, no I am NOT saying I am one of them, could work to overcome the LUCK factor in the game with the high level of his skill, it could be seen as a challenge to greater heights in your gamer skill, not a barrier that must be destroyed.

This is an opinion, I have no right at my skill level, to criticize how you want to play, i am just wanted give you a new perspective on this issue.

(I have played a few games of BTB heavies, and from what I hear during the games, its pretty popular, with a lot of people shouting for people to pick heavies during the vote, so I doubt its gonna go anywhere, at least in Reach)

[Edited on 03.21.2012 6:24 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2012 6:20 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Life is a journey, if you spend all of it with your nose in your map, you may miss some of the best parts.

There is nothing wrong with having small amounts of luck into the game.

When you have randomness, however, that's a completely different story.

  • 03.21.2012 6:22 PM PDT


Posted by: RustedEdge
There is nothing wrong with having small amounts of luck into the game.

When you have randomness, however, that's a completely different story.
this
luck is a very amazing factor, however this BTB heavies just seems so mindless, there is little to no strategy on Cragmire and it just seems that whoever is lucky enough to have a weapon of mass destruction everytime they spawn will get the win.

  • 03.21.2012 6:27 PM PDT

To do well in heavies you have to play with the heavies, of course your going to get killed on foot, theres so many power weapons. I personally dont like it because I drive hogs and its nearly impossible to keep anything besides a gauss hog on cragmire alive for more than a minute. But if you use a wraith or a scorpion this playlist is kinda fun. It should be its own playlist, id rather have 6 straight games of btb slayer hemmorage than of heavies.

[Edited on 03.21.2012 6:28 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2012 6:27 PM PDT

Well, Its all relative whether BTB Heavies game play is LUCK or RANDOM.

Both are possible and I have not played or watched every game of heavies every played so you may have experienced something different than I did, things that did scream RANDOM rather than LUCK.

I hope when pick up my controller again and play heavies i do not get the dreaded RANDOM and I hope Heavies last long and never disappoints me.

[Edited on 03.21.2012 6:29 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2012 6:28 PM PDT

and now that heavies is in the playlist it just seems that there is absolutely no normal BTB anymore. They should have just gone all the way and renamed it BTB heavies. because all you play 90% of the time is heavies and that last 10% is slayer hemmorage.

BTB was the last fun thing i had in Reach and now its destroyed. It was the only playlist i could kick back and relax in.

  • 03.21.2012 6:33 PM PDT

Welcome to the internet. Joy dies here.

Posted by: Most Inglorious
...People should have to work for kills.

That's armor lock logic. You just need to learn to keep your head down. It's not hard to have a high k/d when you're well armed and your opponent is virtually unarmed. My k/d in BTB came way up in this environment where you supposedly just can't stop dying. So why aren't I dying at random constantly?

  • 03.21.2012 6:34 PM PDT


Posted by: Most Inglorious
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36ha0c/


This made me laugh because it's so true. Although now they all vote for heavies so...

  • 03.21.2012 6:37 PM PDT


Posted by: WhackyGordon
Posted by: Most Inglorious
...People should have to work for kills.

That's armor lock logic. You just need to learn to keep your head down. It's not hard to have a high k/d when you're well armed and your opponent is virtually unarmed. My k/d in BTB came way up in this environment where you supposedly just can't stop dying. So why aren't I dying at random constantly?
this kid is what im talking about. retards like gordon, cant get kills in normal BTB then suddenly magically gets better at BTB at the time when you practically spawn with retard friendly weapons like tanks and rocket launchers.

  • 03.21.2012 6:48 PM PDT

well a wraith is harder to use at distance, and against falcons, it requires thinking ahead, and thinking with arcs. A scorpion is probably the most noob friendly weapon avalable, though for some reason I cant hit anything smaller than another scorpion with it, and even then its iffy.

  • 03.21.2012 6:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Typocalypse
well a wraith is harder to use at distance, and against falcons, it requires thinking ahead, and thinking with arcs. A scorpion is probably the most noob friendly weapon avalable, though for some reason I cant hit anything smaller than another scorpion with it, and even then its iffy.
i personally like the wraith a lot more than the scorpion. It requires thinking unlike the scorpion.

[Edited on 03.21.2012 6:52 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2012 6:52 PM PDT

You criticize so much.. Yet I have yet to see a quality map come from you.

  • 03.21.2012 6:57 PM PDT


Posted by: Wumpa Warrior
You criticize so much.. Yet I have yet to see a quality map come from you.
if i had the forge skill i know for a fact i could come up with better stuff than what's in MM.
Hell just go to BTB.net right now and use all those damn maps.
I know a good map when i see one

  • 03.21.2012 6:59 PM PDT

Welcome to the internet. Joy dies here.

Posted by: Most Inglorious
this kid is what im talking about. retards like gordon, cant get kills in normal BTB then suddenly magically gets better at BTB at the time when you practically spawn with retard friendly weapons like tanks and rocket launchers.

First of all, I'm no kid, and I'm no retard. Learn a little respect you ignorant twit. I didn't suddenly magically get better at BTB. I got better playing Team Slayer after trying BTB when I was just getting started. I came back to BTB with a lot more skill, and I still go plenty positive in non-heavy matches. The point is I play solo, I'm not spectacular, but I still manage to perform just as well if not better in heavies because my terrible team losing map control isn't as much of a factor. I can still get spawn trapped when half my team quits and a tank makes it across the map, but at least in heavies there's a way for me to use my individual abilities to do something about it. For example, go suck on my laser k/d. Any tank that's easy to laser is being driven by an oblivious idiot. In regular BTB, any retard can get a full party and go pump their k/d on other retards. In heavies, everybody is a threat, so you only survive if you're capable of having a tiny bit of respect for other gamers, and get out of the mindset that there's no way they could possibly kill you, so there's no reason not to walk into the middle of the map.

[Edited on 03.21.2012 7:11 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2012 7:04 PM PDT

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