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Subject: Did human civilians evacuated Earth under invasion?

It is known that in the 22nd century, Earth was deemed overpopulated, jump-starting the colonization programs of the time. The population of known human settlements preceding the Human-Covenant War would amount to 39 billion humans according to the UNSC and Halsey's records and estimates. After twenty seven years of war with the genocidal Covenant, Cortana's death count of approximately 23 billion, And counting human birth rates, that includes before during the Human-Covenant War birthrates, it would equal 20 billion survivors by the end of the war, with most of them located in the Sol System which included Earth , Mars, and the Jovian Moons. By the time Reach was recolonized, the population stood at 24 billion, with a third of the human population living in a extra-solar colony.

So with about 20 billion survivors. Could Earth have in fact have been evacuated and the populace sent to maybe other big colonies that haven't been attacked such as Forseti, Minster, Lenapi, Tribute, and Cygnus? These were all inner colonies, and all inner colonies tended to have hundreds of millions of people on them. Minister noted for having half a billion. Not to mention the Jovian moons.

If not, where could these 20 billion souls be?

  • 03.22.2012 12:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Probably the dozen colonies the covenant skipped to get to reach not to mention Innies are humans too.

  • 03.22.2012 5:57 AM PDT

There are more colonies than just Earth in Halo 3.

  • 03.22.2012 6:11 AM PDT

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I'm not trying to disprove your post or anything, but where did you get these numbers from? Just out of curiosity.

  • 03.22.2012 7:16 AM PDT

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I don't know but there were plenty on Earth, since there was no where else to go, most of the colonys hated already Earth and the UNSC.

[Edited on 03.22.2012 11:07 AM PDT]

  • 03.22.2012 11:07 AM PDT


Posted by: Primo84
I'm not trying to disprove your post or anything, but where did you get these numbers from? Just out of curiosity.

Here

And here


Posted by: mojeda101
So with about 20 billion survivors. Could Earth have in fact have been evacuated and the populace sent to maybe other big colonies that haven't been attacked such as Forseti, Minster, Lenapi, Tribute, and Cygnus? These were all inner colonies, and all inner colonies tended to have hundreds of millions of people on them. Minister noted for having half a billion. Not to mention the Jovian moons.

If not, where could these 20 billion souls be?

By the time the war ended there were about 1 billion humans left, and most likely a couple dozen inner colonies left. I dont know the exact number. The survivors would be in places that the covenant haven't detected or in places like moons and asteroid belts.

[Edited on 03.22.2012 11:25 AM PDT]

  • 03.22.2012 11:18 AM PDT


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Posted by: Primo84
I'm not trying to disprove your post or anything, but where did you get these numbers from? Just out of curiosity.

Here

And here


Posted by: mojeda101
So with about 20 billion survivors. Could Earth have in fact have been evacuated and the populace sent to maybe other big colonies that haven't been attacked such as Forseti, Minster, Lenapi, Tribute, and Cygnus? These were all inner colonies, and all inner colonies tended to have hundreds of millions of people on them. Minister noted for having half a billion. Not to mention the Jovian moons.

If not, where could these 20 billion souls be?

By the time the war ended there were about 1 billion humans left, and most likely a couple dozen inner colonies left. I dont know the exact number. The survivors would be in places that the covenant haven't detected or in places like moons and asteroid belts.
1 billion? Why do the sources say 20?

[Edited on 03.22.2012 5:36 PM PDT]

  • 03.22.2012 5:35 PM PDT

I don't think Earth was evacuated. In Halo 3 ODST, when you collect the audio files and see Sadie's story you learn something important. Sadie is talking to her dad and he says "We don't know why, but New Mombassa is the only place on Earth where the Covenant are attacking".

Think about it. The Covenant want to start the great journey so bad. They are within arms reach of completing their goal, so naturally they focus on achieving it. They don't waste time trying to kill the rest of the humans during the Invasion of Earth.

  • 03.22.2012 6:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1995324
I don't think Earth was evacuated. In Halo 3 ODST, when you collect the audio files and see Sadie's story you learn something important. Sadie is talking to her dad and he says "We don't know why, but New Mombassa is the only place on Earth where the Covenant are attacking".

Think about it. The Covenant want to start the great journey so bad. They are within arms reach of completing their goal, so naturally they focus on achieving it. They don't waste time trying to kill the rest of the humans during the Invasion of Earth.
That was under Regret. Once Truth arrived, he had plenty of ships to spare to have fun. There were known attacks all over the planet such as in Chicago, Australia, Mexico, Antarctica, Cuba, Cleveland, and Afghanistan. With that said, and with the claims that about 200-300 million survived Earth gives me an idea that they were either exterminated or evacuated.

  • 03.22.2012 11:09 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: Spartan1995324
I don't think Earth was evacuated. In Halo 3 ODST, when you collect the audio files and see Sadie's story you learn something important. Sadie is talking to her dad and he says "We don't know why, but New Mombassa is the only place on Earth where the Covenant are attacking".

Think about it. The Covenant want to start the great journey so bad. They are within arms reach of completing their goal, so naturally they focus on achieving it. They don't waste time trying to kill the rest of the humans during the Invasion of Earth.
That was under Regret. Once Truth arrived, he had plenty of ships to spare to have fun. There were known attacks all over the planet such as in Chicago, Australia, Mexico, Antarctica, Cuba, Cleveland, and Afghanistan. With that said, and with the claims that about [b]200-300 million[b] survived Earth gives me an idea that they were either exterminated or evacuated.
Holy -blam!-...only 200 million to 300 million? Wow that's surprising. Don't we have like 6 billion people on Earth today?

heheheh, Canada and Peru didn't get hit...

[Edited on 03.23.2012 9:31 AM PDT]

  • 03.23.2012 9:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
Probably the dozen colonies the covenant skipped to get to reach not to mention Innies are humans too.

  • 03.23.2012 10:21 AM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
1 billion? Why do the sources say 20?
I actually mis-read the information sorry. The population of Humanity was 39 billion near the start of the war (Said here). Human casualties (as listed here) were at 23 billion when the war ended. Thus leaving humanity at about 16 billion strong.


Posted by: Spartan1995324
I don't think Earth was evacuated. In Halo 3 ODST, when you collect the audio files and see Sadie's story you learn something important. Sadie is talking to her dad and he says "We don't know why, but New Mombassa is the only place on Earth where the Covenant are attacking".

Think about it. The Covenant want to start the great journey so bad. They are within arms reach of completing their goal, so naturally they focus on achieving it. They don't waste time trying to kill the rest of the humans during the Invasion of Earth.


The Covenant also attacked Antarctica, Mexico, Cuba, Cleveland, and of course New Mombasa.

[Edited on 03.23.2012 11:10 AM PDT]

  • 03.23.2012 11:05 AM PDT


Posted by: Carolina
The Covenant also attacked Antarctica, Mexico, Cuba, Cleveland, and of course New Mombasa.
Could I have a source? Sounds interesting.

  • 03.23.2012 5:39 PM PDT


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Posted by: mojeda101
1 billion? Why do the sources say 20?
I actually mis-read the information sorry. The population of Humanity was 39 billion near the start of the war (Said here). Human casualties (as listed here) were at 23 billion when the war ended. Thus leaving humanity at about 16 billion strong.
Here(Go down to population) it tells us that by the end of the war, there were 20 billion left, not 16.

  • 03.24.2012 1:27 AM PDT


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Posted by: Carolina
The Covenant also attacked Antarctica, Mexico, Cuba, Cleveland, and of course New Mombasa.
Could I have a source? Sounds interesting.
Which battle? The battles of Ross Island(Antarctica) and Havana(Cuba) were both mentioned in Ghost of Onyx. The battle of Cleveland was in the book Uprisings. You know Afghanistan was attacked by the live action Halo 3 trailer, remember that? The battle of the Yucatan Peninsula(Mexico) I'm not sure, although was stated in the Wiki, I don't remember it from Ghost of Onyx, but I guess it was in there somewhere.

  • 03.24.2012 1:33 AM PDT

It is known that in the 22nd century, Earth was deemed overpopulated, jump-starting the colonization programs of the time. The population of known human settlements preceding the Human-Covenant War would amount to 39 billion humans according to the UNSC and Halsey's records and estimates.[3] After twenty seven years of war with the genocidal Covenant, Cortana's death count of approximately 23 billion,[4] And counting human birth rates, that includes before during the Human-Covenant War birthrates, it would equal 20 billion by the end of the war, with most of it located in the Sol System which included Earth , Mars, and the Jovian Moons. By time Reach was recolonized, it was 24 billion, a third of the human population lived in extra-solar colonies.I have no idea because if you do the math.

39-23=16

Don't know.

  • 03.24.2012 6:00 AM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: Spartan1995324

Posted by: Carolina
The Covenant also attacked Antarctica, Mexico, Cuba, Cleveland, and of course New Mombasa.
Could I have a source? Sounds interesting.
Which battle? The battles of Ross Island(Antarctica) and Havana(Cuba) were both mentioned in Ghost of Onyx. The battle of Cleveland was in the book Uprisings. You know Afghanistan was attacked by the live action Halo 3 trailer, remember that? The battle of the Yucatan Peninsula(Mexico) I'm not sure, although was stated in the Wiki, I don't remember it from Ghost of Onyx, but I guess it was in there somewhere.
I don't remember that from Ghosts of Onyx. Where were they mentioned. Also... I only really got a Halo game AFTER Halo 3 came out. Like a year, so I never saw the live action Halo 3 trailer.

Off to see the wiki, the wonderful wiki of Halo.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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When the SIIs were fighting on earth.

  • 03.24.2012 12:49 PM PDT

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Halopedian or Halo Nation are not acceptable source due to several reasons: Speculative information, sources being wrong, wrong calculations, etc.

Otherwise, it is true that Humanity had about 16 billion left after the war. However, it may be higher due to birth rate. However, we cannot estimate that birth rate because it was never mentioned. Besides, it was stated that nearly half of earth's population were evacuated as battle of Earth started in Halo 2. I'm not too sure about that however.

And, I think UNSC/Humanity probably had about 20-24 billion left due to birth rate that offset casualties caused by the war. Would explain how they were recovering significantly (Glasslands).

Covenant did not attack everything at Earth, only attacked handful cities/countries such as Cleveland, Antarctica, Yucatan Peninsula, Cuba, Mexico and New Mombasa (Africa).

And Grey, they DID bypass dozens of Inner colonies as they discovered Earth.

[Edited on 03.24.2012 12:58 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I never said they didn't, i said some of the numbers can come from the dozens of outer colonies they skipped.

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Posted by: grey101
I never said they didn't, i said some of the numbers can come from the dozens of outer colonies they skipped.


Yes, I know. Such as: several colonies harboring little over 500 million people.

Little off topic: I'm fairly certain that large colonies with significant population would attract slightly stronger defense forces, perhaps slight weaker than Epsilon Eridani Fleet which had over 150+ ships. Maybe those colonies had about 40-70+ ships at service at each colony that had significant population. Would match with 2,033 UNSC ships at 2525s due to Reach's datapad's estimates.



130,000,000,000*15/(30.3801*86,400*365.25) = ships no. = 2,033.955 ships. (Hard figure of UNSC ships)

Credit to Nattuto, and from Datapad 10 in Reach.


[Edited on 03.24.2012 1:20 PM PDT]

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Posted by: goldhawk
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The Earth refugees were probably sent to the colonies the Covenant skipped over. It was mentioned in Cole Protocol that even early in the war there were huge refugee camps wherever there was space.

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They probably went to the other smaller colonies.

  • 03.24.2012 4:26 PM PDT


Posted by: Carolina
It is known that in the 22nd century, Earth was deemed overpopulated, jump-starting the colonization programs of the time. The population of known human settlements preceding the Human-Covenant War would amount to 39 billion humans according to the UNSC and Halsey's records and estimates.[3] After twenty seven years of war with the genocidal Covenant, Cortana's death count of approximately 23 billion,[4] And counting human birth rates, that includes before during the Human-Covenant War birthrates, it would equal 20 billion by the end of the war, with most of it located in the Sol System which included Earth , Mars, and the Jovian Moons. By time Reach was recolonized, it was 24 billion, a third of the human population lived in extra-solar colonies.I have no idea because if you do the math.

39-23=16

Don't know.
27 years means so many people being born. 4 billion in 27 years out of the billions that lived through it doesn't seem impossible.

  • 03.24.2012 8:26 PM PDT

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