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Subject: proof that gravemid has taken over cortana

now in the the trailer cortana talks about god and demons and stuff like now cli ck here to listen to the masulem stute backwards that is gravmind he is what he says
"I have (wondered why men had me) choose for three thousand years. The time has no end... and no beginning; a curse. I wondered the earth seeking forgivness from my own cries against god. I need... I need to see death and destruction against the white, but the white could not be instinguished and the universe of my own I'm lost in time

does any one have any idea what gravmind is talking about in halo 3 and halo 2

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  • 05.27.2006 5:55 PM PDT
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what the hell?? what's masulem stute? WTF???

  • 05.27.2006 5:59 PM PDT
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Whoa!!! What was all that about?

  • 05.27.2006 6:00 PM PDT

The epic tale that never ends

absolutely no clue :)

  • 05.27.2006 6:01 PM PDT

it is the halo 2 soundtrack music played backwards

  • 05.27.2006 6:01 PM PDT
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THAT IS SO FREAKING SCARY! WHATS IT SAYING?!?!?!

  • 05.27.2006 6:09 PM PDT
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which halo 2 soundtrack?

heh. looks like bungie left alot of clues about cortana being the enemy

  • 05.27.2006 6:11 PM PDT
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“I have wondered why men had me choose for three thousand years. The time has no end, and no beginning, a curse. I wandered the earth seeking forgiveness from my own cries against god. I need... I need to see death and destruction against the white, but the white could not be extinguished and the universe of my own I'm lost in time.”

  • 05.27.2006 6:11 PM PDT
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Oh, yeah, since the first thing I do when i get new music IS PLAY IT BACKWARDS TO SEE WHAT IT SAYS!!!!!

It says something like this:

efil a deen sdrawkcab cisum yalp ohw elpoep dna dedrater si siht

Yeah, like it's fun to smoke marijuana is another one bites the dust backwards.

  • 05.27.2006 6:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Spartan 28
“I have wondered why men had me choose for three thousand years. The time has no end, and no beginning, a curse. I wandered the earth seeking forgiveness from my own cries against god. I need... I need to see death and destruction against the white, but the white could not be extinguished and the universe of my own I'm lost in time.”


...I have walked among men and angels for three thousand years. Time has no end... no beginning... no purpose.

I wander the earth, seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God and man.

I live to see death, destruction, over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished.

I live in a prison of my own demise.

I am lost in time... (repeats)

-Unknown

I got this of the Halo Story page(http://halosm.bungie.org/story/) if you whant to take a look. There are some simmilaritys. Also there sould be some conections betwen this and the cortana letters(http://marathon.bungie.org/story/cortana.html), you may whant to take a look.

But if this is the gravemind talking it's really simple to interprite. This is waht I make of it- Humans have condimed him to live for ever, and having now purpuse it slowly torments him that there will never be an end. But he still can do one thing, wage war agenst good, but he has fialed. Could this posable be a recording from the futer(becuse he is still waging war in halo 2) Not for me to say, but you guys can speculat all you want.

  • 05.27.2006 6:22 PM PDT
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[Edit] OH MY GOD THIS IS HARD

"I have walked among men and angels for several thousand of years, the time has no end, no beggining, no purpose, no more than the earth, seeking forgiveness from my old crimes left them scared ***NOTE: I started to loose what he is saying from here so im not certain about the following*** and dead, I wanted to (sink/sit) down (extinction/distiction/inscription???) (yeah), over mind, a divided (???) beast (in the ocean???) , (a new/ i knew) a human person would (???) by the host in time."

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  • 05.27.2006 6:23 PM PDT
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Thats pretty freakin sweet.

Somewhere else in the game, there is music just like this, and a guy played it backwards and gravemind is saying something else (the post above this is what I'm talking about.)

Btw, if anyone can't figure out what gravemind means by "white", the color white is usually used when describing innocence. So he may be talking about the human race, I'm not sure though.

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  • 05.27.2006 6:24 PM PDT
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tahts crazy shiit
wow
thats intense that opens up a whole new storyline, it could really complicate things in halo 3, not that there already not complicated enough, i really just dont see how there going to intergrate halo 3 and the 3rd book first strike togheter cuz they did a great job of screwing us over not putting the other surviving spartans in the game when it was obvious that they should have been htere. its just my opinon, but there gonna have a hell of a hard time fixing this lil problem, and for people who are a lil slow its gonna tear em apart cuz all this is just gona be so complicated
my opinon

  • 05.27.2006 6:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: BossHalo
Posted by: Spartan 28
“I have wondered why men had me choose for three thousand years. The time has no end, and no beginning, a curse. I wandered the earth seeking forgiveness from my own cries against god. I need... I need to see death and destruction against the white, but the white could not be extinguished and the universe of my own I'm lost in time.”


...I have walked among men and angels for three thousand years. Time has no end... no beginning... no purpose.

I wander the earth, seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God and man.

I live to see death, destruction, over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished.

I live in a prison of my own demise.

I am lost in time... (repeats)

-Unknown

I got this of the Halo Story page(http://halosm.bungie.org/story/) if you whant to take a look. There are some simmilaritys. Also there sould be some conections betwen this and the cortana letters(http://marathon.bungie.org/story/cortana.html), you may whant to take a look.

But if this is the gravemind talking it's really simple to interprite. This is waht I make of it- Humans have condimed him to live for ever, and having now purpuse it slowly torments him that there will never be an end. But he still can do one thing, wage war agenst good, but he has fialed. Could this posable be a recording from the futer(becuse he is still waging war in halo 2) Not for me to say, but you guys can speculat all you want.


Ah I see... thanks for correcting me.

  • 05.27.2006 6:40 PM PDT

Posted by: Spartan 28
Posted by: BossHalo
Posted by: Spartan 28
“I have wondered why men had me choose for three thousand years. The time has no end, and no beginning, a curse. I wandered the earth seeking forgiveness from my own cries against god. I need... I need to see death and destruction against the white, but the white could not be extinguished and the universe of my own I'm lost in time.”


...I have walked among men and angels for three thousand years. Time has no end... no beginning... no purpose.

I wander the earth, seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God and man.

I live to see death, destruction, over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished.

I live in a prison of my own demise.

I am lost in time... (repeats)

-Unknown

I got this of the Halo Story page(http://halosm.bungie.org/story/) if you whant to take a look. There are some simmilaritys. Also there sould be some conections betwen this and the cortana letters(http://marathon.bungie.org/story/cortana.html), you may whant to take a look.

But if this is the gravemind talking it's really simple to interprite. This is waht I make of it- Humans have condimed him to live for ever, and having now purpuse it slowly torments him that there will never be an end. But he still can do one thing, wage war agenst good, but he has fialed. Could this posable be a recording from the futer(becuse he is still waging war in halo 2) Not for me to say, but you guys can speculat all you want.


Ah I see... thanks for correcting me.


The thing I got of the Halo story page IS NOT the Muselum suit translation, It just something in The Halo story home page that sounded familler to the thing we are tallking about. I think thats be up before Halo 2, so it must have been cycaling aroud for a wile. And really, cheack the Cortana letters, It will blow your mind.

  • 05.27.2006 6:51 PM PDT
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just a suggestion, but isnt it possible that he could have inserted the dialouge in the track. If he didnt thought, thats an amazing find, kudos.

  • 05.27.2006 6:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: TwistedMonkey
just a suggestion, but isnt it possible that he could have inserted the dialouge in the track. If he didnt thought, thats an amazing find, kudos.


Why would he take the time to insert the dialouge and put up this big scheme when we could easily confirm it true or false ourselves in the end. But yeah it is possible. And yeah, amazing find.

  • 05.27.2006 6:56 PM PDT

Posted by: TwistedMonkey
just a suggestion, but isnt it possible that he could have inserted the dialouge in the track. If he didnt thought, thats an amazing find, kudos.


Well, if you lissen to the origonal Mossulem Suit you can hear the Gravemind grumbling in the background. You can't make it out, but apperently he is saying something.

  • 05.27.2006 7:07 PM PDT
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I didnt know about the Moaaulem Suit and grave mind mumbling in the back ground.

  • 05.27.2006 7:12 PM PDT

This is cool, but how is it proof that gravemind has taken over cortana?
I dont understand your logic, i dont see how an undead fleshy organism can take over an electronic system.

  • 05.27.2006 7:21 PM PDT

A hero need not speak. When he is gone, the world will speak for him.

BELIEVE

Ok first I can’t open the page, wrong format or something; second, what are the names of the sound tracks.

  • 05.27.2006 7:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: I know I know
This is cool, but how is it proof that gravemind has taken over cortana?
I dont understand your logic, i dont see how an undead fleshy organism can take over an electronic system.


well, since its sci-fi and since the Gravemind infiltrated the rest of high charity, it seems logical that he could take over cortana by maybe just infiltrating the high charity system, becasue cortana can't leave that system anyway unless she is transferred via a chip.

but im also wondering what proof says that cortana has--either by choice or by force--been taken over by the gravemind, teh backwards track just talks about his torment, not anything related to cortana

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Posted by: Community Loser

Btw, if anyone can't figure out what gravemind means by "white", the color white is usually used when describing innocence. So he may be talking about the human race, I'm not sure though.


Do you honestly think the human race is innocent? Be realistic, open your eyes and go outside. Humans are not innocent.

  • 05.27.2006 8:00 PM PDT
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i doubt gravemind has "taken over" cortana. I think that he has showed her his wisdom, and he has showed her time- the future and past. If gravemind was evil, he could have killed the master chief and the arbiter in Halo 2.

  • 05.27.2006 8:04 PM PDT
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I've heard this message before. It was on HBO, I believe. And it can be heard within that music sketches in a number of locations including where Arbiter was brought before the Hierachs the second time in The Arbiter(hence, a "Whisper in the Storm"-catchy metaphor, no?). It can be heard on the level Quarantine Zone as you descend up the gondola into the Library, and on the level Gravemind as you jailbreak the Marines. It comes as a murmur, but played backwards you get the intelligible message.

Personally, I have no doubt that the speaker is Gravemind. After all, considering Halo's vast biblical references, the Forerunner were God and Gravemind is the Devil. Lucifer was once an angel, but he railed against God and was cast into hell. Gravemind was the monument to all of the Forerunner's wrongdoings(or "sins", as he puts it), and he was the one who defied against God in the ultimate battle. We all know the Flood live to see death and destruction to wherever they plague. Rasping exasperatedly, he curses "The Light, The Light Cannot be Extinguished!"-perhaps he refers to Halo's fire. Meaning good still triumphed in the end if you please. And Gravemind did imply his suffering to be condemned to live forever as he contradicts Truth on High Charity through the P.A. Truth: "The parasite did not defeat the Forerunners(CLUE?), and they shall not defeat us.". Gravemind: "Arrogant creature, your deaths will be instantaneous where we shall suffer for the rest of infinitude".

What intrigues me is the Delta Halo ruins. Apparently there was a previous Flood outbreak there before and it's a wasteland littered with evidence of a previous battlefield. How did the Flood get onto Delta Halo in the first place? The location was not any containment facility. It seems the Forerunner simply contained the Flood where it was by constructing a makeshift wall, the Sentinel Wall. But the real question is, who survived to built the Delta Halo ruins as a cathedral tribute to the fallen? Surely Sentinels would not be that sentient as to build structures so similiar to human archeitect as to honor their former creators.

Gravemind can easily control machines and AI. Don't know how he does it. But he is a super-brain, containing all the knowledge of all the victims that went into him. Or perhaps he really is half machine and the Forerunner sought to create the ultimate war machine through a bioweapon hybrid. We see him controlling 2401PT("Now I shall talk..."), who, unlike 343GS, glows an eccentric red. Cortana can be just the same. As soon as Gravemind's tentacle came in touch with Cortana, he can control her. Or alternatively as someone said before, he can always take apart Cortana and modify her circuitry(the less believable theory).

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