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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101
It would also need to keep its biomass up and no Gravemind could resist eating the tens of thousands of humans it was moving around installation 7. Not to mention the Graveminds that were shown in the story (again) looked nor acted nothing like the primordial.


Didn't the timeless one say that the flood chose not to infect the humans, so why would a gravemind want to infect them if the flood wanted them to inherit the mantle...


Isn't the primordial an antagonist and don't most things (if not bad guys) lie?


I say this because Both Yprin and Forthencho (Despite conflicting stories) say that the humans found a way to push the flood back, Yprin even said the primordial was the one to give that knowledge.

So you are trying to tell me he would spend 43 years of free time after eons doing pointless experiments even though there was never a cure?

/makes no sense


*Huh? how could keyes control the flood if he was absorbed by them? Are you the illusive man?

[Edited on 03.31.2012 8:10 PM PDT]

  • 03.31.2012 8:09 PM PDT
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It seems that I've misunderstood how the flood works. You stated that there is no such thing as a proto-gravemind which before Primordium was what people thought Keyes was.

So if that was the case and Keyes was being controlled by the flood who was the hivemind that was controlling the flood on installation 04?
Posted by: grey101
*Huh? how could keyes control the flood if he was absorbed by them? Are you the illusive man?


[Edited on 03.31.2012 8:16 PM PDT]

  • 03.31.2012 8:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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which before Primordium

Look at the bold.

Huh? keyes was absorbed by the flood and died, he was in no control whatsoever and that form was going to be the hivemind.

  • 03.31.2012 8:20 PM PDT
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I've been looking and I can't seem to find out how the flood works. I know that Keyes was killed but wasn't he selected to become a Gravemind based on his knowledge and importance. Obviously one central thing needs to control the majority of the flood or else they would all have there free will, so how does a hivemind get picked to be the "leader" of the flood.
Posted by: grey101

which before Primordium

Look at the bold.

Huh? keyes was absorbed by the flood and died, he was in no control whatsoever and that form was going to be the hivemind.

  • 03.31.2012 8:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Have you read "The Flood"?

Keyes was not "selected" to become a Gravemind, he was infected and the flood built the mind off of him. what you are saying is "If a zit and it grows then my body was selected for it".

  • 03.31.2012 8:32 PM PDT
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Okay, thanks for the clarifaction, and sorry for making you rage, but yes I did read the flood, and every other Halo novel.
Posted by: grey101
Have you read "The Flood"?

Keyes was not "selected" to become a Gravemind, he was infected and the flood built the mind off of him. what you are saying is "If a zit and it grows then my body was selected for it".


[Edited on 03.31.2012 8:33 PM PDT]

  • 03.31.2012 8:33 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101
Have you read "The Flood"?

Keyes was not "selected" to become a Gravemind, he was infected and the Flood built the mind off of him. What you are saying is "If a zit grows on me, then my body was selected for it".


LOL

[Edited on 03.31.2012 8:35 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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I am honestly not raging.

  • 03.31.2012 8:35 PM PDT

It was just funny, that's all.

  • 03.31.2012 8:56 PM PDT

Citizens of Me! The cruelty of the old Pharaoh is a thing of the past. Let a whole new wave of cruelty wash over this lazy land.

Hear the word of Pharaoh. Build unto me a statue of ridiculous proportion. One billion cubits in height......that I might be remembered for all eternity!

And be quick about it!

Lol I'm sorry Grey but you only seem to make me more confused :\

I'm just going to have to wait until the 3rd Forerunner book comes out to know what's up!

  • 04.01.2012 12:50 AM PDT

M94 Mushroom Man if forerunners are immortal than how come the halo rings destroyed them

  • 04.01.2012 8:31 AM PDT


Posted by: MLG Saints 051
M94 Mushroom Man if forerunners are immortal than how come the halo rings destroyed them


I always say there's a difference between immortality and invincibility. Immortal means you don't age, invincible means you can't die.

Forerunners, in this case, are immortal, but can be killed by outside means.

  • 04.01.2012 9:29 AM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
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Posted by: krnlcheese
I just read the book a couple days ago and I just wanted a few questions clarified.

Were all Precursors Graveminds?
How is the Librarian still alive?


1. It's a bit vague but it is confirmed that the Primordial (Last Precursor) is in fact a Gravemind. Apparently Precursor's are a type of Gravemind.
2. It's never stated in the terminals that the Librarian died. It's just stated that she destroyed her fleet and would live out her days on Earth. For all we know somehow she gets rescued and she escapes the galaxy before the Array is fired. It is possible that she could have entered Didact's cryptum.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: krnlcheese
I just read the book a couple days ago and I just wanted a few questions clarified.

Were all Precursors Graveminds?
How is the Librarian still alive?


1. It's a bit vague but it is confirmed that the Primordial (Last Precursor) is in fact a Gravemind. Apparently Precursor's are a type of Gravemind.
2. It's never stated in the terminals that the Librarian died. It's just stated that she destroyed her fleet and would live out her days on Earth. For all we know somehow she gets rescued and she escapes the galaxy before the Array is fired. It is possible that she could have entered Didact's cryptum.


1. It wasn't confirmed and apparently there are other types of precursors.

2. we have 3 confirmed sources of the librarians death, chakas was implying she is alive genetically along with his friends.

  • 04.01.2012 12:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: krnlcheese
I just read the book a couple days ago and I just wanted a few questions clarified.

Were all Precursors Graveminds?
How is the Librarian still alive?


1. It is implied in the book that the Captive was a coalition of multiple parts. We can deduce that not all Precursors are Graveminds, however, because the Captive states at one point that he is the last of "this kind." If he was indeed the last of the Graveminds then we would not see anymore graveminds later on. It is heavily implied that the Captive was a mass of Precursors joined together into a gravemind, and also all that remained of the Precursors. Get it? lol It might be kind of confusing. Basically the Captive is the last gravemind composed purely of Precursor "parts."

2. Someone here said that the librarian is alive through a genetic imprint but that can't be right. If that were true then it would mean that Guilty Spark knows how to bring people back from an imprint and we know that he doesn't since he needs the Librarian to bring his friends back. My theory is that she is somehow conserved in a Slip Space bubble like the Spartans from Onyx. Or maybe she was, in fact, conserved through a genetic imprint like the Didact was. Not like Chakas, who had a consciousness embedded in him, but like Bornstellar, who was completely taken over by the Didact's personality.
I agree with this theory. Makes perfect sense how he can be both the last precursor and a gravemind. A collection of the last precursors. And guilty spark states he knows where the librarian is so she's definitely alive. Bet it's in a dyson sphere because the didact purposes the plan of using the dyson spheres instead of using the halo rings to stop the flood.

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Posted by: grey101
It would also need to keep its biomass up and no Gravemind could resist eating the tens of thousands of humans it was moving around installation 7. Not to mention the Graveminds that were shown in the story (again) looked nor acted nothing like the primordial.


Didn't the timeless one say that the flood chose not to infect the humans, so why would a gravemind want to infect them if the flood wanted them to inherit the mantle...


Isn't the primordial an antagonist and don't most things (if not bad guys) lie?


I say this because Both Yprin and Forthencho (Despite conflicting stories) say that the humans found a way to push the flood back, Yprin even said the primordial was the one to give that knowledge.

So you are trying to tell me he would spend 43 years of free time after eons doing pointless experiments even though there was never a cure?

/makes no sense


*Huh? how could keyes control the flood if he was absorbed by them? Are you the illusive man?
the primordial states ( could be lies like you said) that he manipulated humans and forerunners to believe the humans found a way to stop the flood when in all actuality he said the flood can choose who to infect. Doing so to stop th forerunners and see if the humans were worthy of the mantle

[Edited on 04.11.2012 10:10 AM PDT]

  • 04.11.2012 9:43 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

@mb3486

It's not Guilty Spark, it's still Chakas.

  • 04.11.2012 10:03 AM PDT

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Chakas is guilty spark. Guilty spark is chakas. Chakas conscious or whatever was put in the ancilla becoming guilty spark but containing chakas conscious and memories.

  • 04.11.2012 10:12 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: mb3486
Chakas is guilty spark. Guilty spark is chakas. Chakas conscious or whatever was put in the ancilla becoming guilty spark but containing chakas conscious and memories.


That isn't the case. It's like Cortana and Halsey, Halsey's mind was the template, but Cortana isn't Halsey.

  • 04.11.2012 10:13 AM PDT

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I don't think that the case here though. He even says he is guilty spark and once the human known as chakas

  • 04.11.2012 10:16 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: mb3486
I don't think that the case here though. He even says he is guilty spark and once the human known as chakas


He never says he is Guilty Spark, only the ONI personal do and even they say it's merely to make their finding look better for the people evaluating their work.

  • 04.11.2012 10:18 AM PDT

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Hmmm so it's 100% not guilty spark? I thought he even states a copy of me gave your kind trouble on installation 04? Meaning it is guilty spark right?

  • 04.11.2012 10:21 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: mb3486
Hmmm so it's 100% not guilty spark? I thought he even states a copy of me gave your kind trouble on installation 04? Meaning it is guilty spark right?


Even so, that fragment is Guilty Spark, but Chakas is Chakas. Like I said, you can't say Cortana is Halsey.

  • 04.11.2012 10:23 AM PDT

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Ok I get it now I think. That makes more sense I guess. Thanks

  • 04.11.2012 10:25 AM PDT

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But if cortana made a copy of herself it'd still be cortana

  • 04.11.2012 10:26 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: mb3486
Ok I get it now I think. That makes more sense I guess. Thanks


It's a common misconception, don't worry about it. Though knowing 343, I'm sure they could find some excuse to make the two the same person. But really, Spark needs to stay dead, Chakas can be a moving character on his own without Spark's influence.

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