for the packers brett farve was around for a long time and was well regarded. bungie is the same. now aaron rogers has come in 3 years ago and already won a superbowl. 343 had to come in halfway after the release of reach and has to now take all the blame and be the under dog just like rogers was. then when they release halo 4 well love the game to peices and it will be as big as a suprise as was aaron rogers winning the super bowl 2 year as head QB