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Subject: Re-discovered this game...on Heroic!

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

So I realised I had never really tried this game on higher difficulties, so I decided to give SC a go on Heroic, and it was a lot more fun than playing on normal and easy. It actually felt like i was in a proper war, not rampaging through everything like a superhero on easy or normal.

So, just letting you guys know that my harsh feelings towards this game are calming down a bit. This does not mean that I suddenly love it like I did with Halo 2. But I suppose playing on Heroic disproves some of my old arguments against this game, such as OP weapons, and boring enemies etc. Its quite fun to manipulate hunters to turn around.

Now, will I be flamed, or will I be praised? I dont know, perhaps I will see after gving AotCR a shot on Heroic

  • 03.27.2012 1:26 PM PDT


Posted by: Mark V guy
So I realised I had never really tried this game on higher difficulties, so I decided to give SC a go on Heroic, and it was a lot more fun than playing on normal and easy. It actually felt like i was in a proper war, not rampaging through everything like a superhero on easy or normal.

So, just letting you guys know that my harsh feelings towards this game are calming down a bit. This does not mean that I suddenly love it like I did with Halo 2. But I suppose playing on Heroic disproves some of my old arguments against this game, such as OP weapons, and boring enemies etc. Its quite fun to manipulate hunters to turn around.

Now, will I be flamed, or will I be praised? I dont know, perhaps I will see after gving AotCR a shot on Heroic

Praised, for playing the game the way Bungie said it was meant to be played - Heroic. However, as you joined the series late it's understandable you don't want to tackle Legendary or may not appreciate the older Halo games as much as fans who have been there from the start.

I do recommend playing on Legendary though, once you complete a campaign on Legendary you'll find you're a much better Halo player usually than you were before to the point where Legendary on all the games isn't too tough. It'll also help you online in the Halo games with the exception of Halo PC which has a steeper learning curve due to the netcode.

Finally once you master Legendary try SLASO. That's a serious pain in the blarg.

Good luck with AOTCR on Heroic, hopefully you may enjoy it more than you did the first time round.

  • 03.27.2012 1:55 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: Mark V guy
So I realised I had never really tried this game on higher difficulties, so I decided to give SC a go on Heroic, and it was a lot more fun than playing on normal and easy. It actually felt like i was in a proper war, not rampaging through everything like a superhero on easy or normal.

So, just letting you guys know that my harsh feelings towards this game are calming down a bit. This does not mean that I suddenly love it like I did with Halo 2. But I suppose playing on Heroic disproves some of my old arguments against this game, such as OP weapons, and boring enemies etc. Its quite fun to manipulate hunters to turn around.

Now, will I be flamed, or will I be praised? I dont know, perhaps I will see after gving AotCR a shot on Heroic

Praised, for playing the game the way Bungie said it was meant to be played - Heroic. However, as you joined the series late it's understandable you don't want to tackle Legendary or may not appreciate the older Halo games as much as fans who have been there from the start.

I do recommend playing on Legendary though, once you complete a campaign on Legendary you'll find you're a much better Halo player usually than you were before to the point where Legendary on all the games isn't too tough. It'll also help you online in the Halo games with the exception of Halo PC which has a steeper learning curve due to the netcode.

Finally once you master Legendary try SLASO. That's a serious pain in the blarg.

Good luck with AOTCR on Heroic, hopefully you may enjoy it more than you did the first time round.


Thanks. Just back from trying it but it was too hard lol. Im stuck on the first bridge. I then tried SC on legendary, but right now Im too tired. Will do it tomorrow though

  • 03.27.2012 1:58 PM PDT
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Praise be the Forerunners! You finally see!

Just try using the AR on the Banshee. It won't down it in 1 clip. Also try tagging Banshees with plasma grenades. Stuff like this is way more exciting than bringing down Banshees with rockets.

Posted by: Wilis_kid

Finally once you master Legendary try SLASO. That's a serious pain in the blarg.
Eh, CEA SLASO's not as invigorating. It's just a grenade fest with lots of bs and fun killing. A more enjoyable CEA SLASO is with Foreign, Recession, Mythic, Boom, and Bandanna turned off. Then you'll have a real party.

  • 03.27.2012 2:54 PM PDT
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I have been back to CE for a week or so, rediscovering on Legendary, currently working on going through all of the levels and only using the weapons you spawn with at the beginning of the level, cant pick up anything else and cannot use any vehicle weapons (but hog splattering is ok).

I know it sounds basic, easy almost, but it is kind of a pain in the ass at times! The Plasma Pistol is one of my favorite tools to use in the game, for a variety of reasons, and the only level you spawn with one is during 2 Betrayals, havent gotten there yet. The worst are going to be the the Libary and Maw, PR and AR, that is going to suck against the flood in the engine room!

PofA was simple, dont need more than the AR and Mag
Halo was not bad, but there were times I really wanted the SR for fun!
T & R rocked, since I typically carry the SR the whole level, but matched with the AR made for alot of grenade throwing. I have always wanted a Mag on T & R, too bad it never is available!
Silent Cart was fine with the Mag and AR combo, alot of close quarters combat, AR is a great melee weapon.
AotCR was a major pain in the ass with the AR through the whole level. I found the hog splattering the best way to get through some of the large open area covies.
Guilty Spark, havent played it yet, but the AR and PP combo should be fine for the first part, but once the flood spawn, it is gonna be tough without the shotty, keeping them off you with an AR or PP is just a recipe for alot of backing up and frag tosses.
The Library.....I really hate the idea of slogging through this one with the AR....the Mag will be fine, but the AR, for the whole level, might as well just skip it (but I wont)
Two Betrayals...given the mix of covies and flood, the Shotty and PP combo should be fine
Keyes....again with the AR and PP....gonna suck bad with all those flood
Maw....PR and AR....the weakest combo out there.....nuff said (bad juju coming my way)

[Edited on 03.27.2012 3:06 PM PDT]

  • 03.27.2012 3:05 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Praise be the Forerunners! You finally see!

Just try using the AR on the Banshee. It won't down it in 1 clip. Also try tagging Banshees with plasma grenades. Stuff like this is way more exciting than bringing down Banshees with rockets.

Posted by: Wilis_kid

Finally once you master Legendary try SLASO. That's a serious pain in the blarg.
Eh, CEA SLASO's not as invigorating. It's just a grenade fest with lots of bs and fun killing. A more enjoyable CEA SLASO is with Foreign, Recession, Mythic, Boom, and Bandanna turned off. Then you'll have a real party.


Cool. Tomorrow I might start looking for skulls in CEA

  • 03.27.2012 3:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy

Im stuck on the first bridge.
The first bridge huh? I'm releasing a short video guide sometime this week that shows the best ways to handle AotCR.

Hint: Use the hog with a gunner and sniper Johnson instead of Scorpion. It's much more exciting.

Hint: Instead of trying to get a supercombine on an Elite, do it on the Grunt next to him! This works really well for the 1st Stealth Elite encounter on AotCR.

Hint: Think of the needler as a Covie variant of that wunderwaffe thing that let soldiers shoot from around corners. With it's excellent homing (you don't have to keep the crosshair on the enemy), you can take out Grunts from behind cover!

Posted by: womyfts
The worst are going to be the the Libary and Maw, PR and AR, that is going to suck against the flood in the engine room!
Is it really that bad? I thought the plasma rifle was super effective against Flood.

Posted by: womyfts
PofA was simple, dont need more than the AR and Mag
I see what you did there. It's an awesome pillar. Of autumn.

Posted by: womyfts
T & R rocked, since I typically carry the SR the whole level, but matched with the AR made for alot of grenade throwing. I have always wanted a Mag on T & R, too bad it never is available!

Silent Cart was fine with the Mag and AR combo, alot of close quarters combat, AR is a great melee weapon.
Those 2 levels back to back, on Heroic, is the most engaging combat in CE. No enemy vehicles other than dropships and most importantly, no piloted Wraiths!!

Posted by: womyfts
AotCR was a major pain in the ass with the AR through the whole level. I found the hog splattering the best way to get through some of the large open area covies.
I'm working on that level right now, on Heroic.

[Edited on 03.27.2012 3:54 PM PDT]

  • 03.27.2012 3:50 PM PDT


Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Praise be the Forerunners! You finally see!

Just try using the AR on the Banshee. It won't down it in 1 clip. Also try tagging Banshees with plasma grenades. Stuff like this is way more exciting than bringing down Banshees with rockets.

Posted by: Wilis_kid

Finally once you master Legendary try SLASO. That's a serious pain in the blarg.
Eh, CEA SLASO's not as invigorating. It's just a grenade fest with lots of bs and fun killing. A more enjoyable CEA SLASO is with Foreign, Recession, Mythic, Boom, and Bandanna turned off. Then you'll have a real party.

Who said anything about CEA SLASO? ;)

My fears lie with Halo 2 and Reach SLASO D: The rest are fine.

  • 03.27.2012 4:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Praise be the Forerunners! You finally see!

Just try using the AR on the Banshee. It won't down it in 1 clip. Also try tagging Banshees with plasma grenades. Stuff like this is way more exciting than bringing down Banshees with rockets.

Posted by: Wilis_kid

Finally once you master Legendary try SLASO. That's a serious pain in the blarg.
Eh, CEA SLASO's not as invigorating. It's just a grenade fest with lots of bs and fun killing. A more enjoyable CEA SLASO is with Foreign, Recession, Mythic, Boom, and Bandanna turned off. Then you'll have a real party.

Who said anything about CEA SLASO? ;)

My fears lie with Halo 2 and Reach SLASO D: The rest are fine.
But... but this is the CE forum! How are those relevant?! :o

  • 03.27.2012 4:41 PM PDT
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Sometimes, I dream about cheese.


Posted by: Mark V guy
I decided to give SC a go on Heroic, and it was a lot more fun than playing on normal and easy
Heroic? enough baby play! you haven't finished a Halo game until you finish it on legendary full stop

  • 03.27.2012 11:26 PM PDT


Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Wilis_kid

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Praise be the Forerunners! You finally see!

Just try using the AR on the Banshee. It won't down it in 1 clip. Also try tagging Banshees with plasma grenades. Stuff like this is way more exciting than bringing down Banshees with rockets.

Posted by: Wilis_kid

Finally once you master Legendary try SLASO. That's a serious pain in the blarg.
Eh, CEA SLASO's not as invigorating. It's just a grenade fest with lots of bs and fun killing. A more enjoyable CEA SLASO is with Foreign, Recession, Mythic, Boom, and Bandanna turned off. Then you'll have a real party.

Who said anything about CEA SLASO? ;)

My fears lie with Halo 2 and Reach SLASO D: The rest are fine.
But... but this is the CE forum! How are those relevant?! :o

Haha i guess i drifted off topic a bit, i meant that by playing on legendary, he'll be a more competitive and better player who may be willing to try SLASO in general. But yes. Halo CEA SLASO isn't as hard however, it is surprisingly entertaining compared to the others....all dem nades....

  • 03.28.2012 12:38 AM PDT

The only way I play CE is Legendary. Nothing else compares. Legendary really forces you to think and try different things to survive.
Ever kill a pair of hunters using the needler?
Or, beat them both to death while dancing between their lunges.
Taken down a red elite using the AR and Melee?
Notice and taken advantage of how the PP's OC bolt travels in a very straight line?
Kept all your marines alive in "Belly of the Beast"?

You will learn that the power weapons(Launcher and sniper) are really not required and actually limit your tactical freedom.

  • 03.28.2012 8:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: Wilis_kid

Haha i guess i drifted off topic a bit, i meant that by playing on legendary, he'll be a more competitive and better player who may be willing to try SLASO in general. But yes. Halo CEA SLASO isn't as hard however, it is surprisingly entertaining compared to the others....all dem nades....
Oh ok.

Hmm is it?

Posted by: KamelToad
Ever kill a pair of hunters using the needler?
Freaking difficult I admit.

Posted by: KamelToad
Or, beat them both to death while dancing between their lunges.
Crazy. One Hunter at a time is enough for me.

Posted by: KamelToad
Taken down a red elite using the AR and Melee?
Yes but I prefer plasma punching.

Posted by: KamelToad
Notice and taken advantage of how the PP's OC bolt travels in a very straight line?
I've blown up unoccupied Wraiths with the plasma pistol.

Posted by: KamelToad
Kept all your marines alive in "Belly of the Beast"?
I suck at that. :(

Posted by: KamelToad
You will learn that the power weapons(Launcher and sniper) are really not required and actually limit your tactical freedom.
Very true. On Two Betrayals Legendary, at the last ground battle, I use a sword wielding Goldie on the Flood and the needler, pistol, and plasma grenades on the Covies.

[Edited on 03.28.2012 11:51 AM PDT]

  • 03.28.2012 11:51 AM PDT

This is actually the stupidest thing ever posted on B.net:

Posted by: the omega man117
Why does everyone hate Halo 2? Maybe its because its the worst game ever next to mario.

Posted by: Mark V guy
So, just letting you guys know that my harsh feelings towards this game are calming down a bit. This does not mean that I suddenly love it like I did with Halo 2.

Lol. You thrashed Halo 2 way more than you thrashed Combat Evolved, but now you call Halo 2 a masterpiece. Now you are about to do the same thing with this game after you created multiple threads saying how terrible it was. I don't understand how anybody takes you seriously.

  • 03.28.2012 3:41 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Super PolarBear
Posted by: Mark V guy
So, just letting you guys know that my harsh feelings towards this game are calming down a bit. This does not mean that I suddenly love it like I did with Halo 2.

Lol. You thrashed Halo 2 way more than you thrashed Combat Evolved, but now you call Halo 2 a masterpiece. Now you are about to do the same thing with this game after you created multiple threads saying how terrible it was. I don't understand how anybody takes you seriously.


How about you put down that glass bowl which obviously doesnt work. I SAID that i am not going to suddenly love it like Halo 2, but that my harsh feelings towards this game are calming down a bit because SC and AotCR are fun on Heroic, none of the other missions have replay quality for me anyway.

So why dont you stop trying to predict the future and learn to read

  • 03.28.2012 3:59 PM PDT

Silent Cartographer is still in the epic tie for the besssst Halo mission ever. If it can beat Outskirts then it has rightly earned the title.

  • 03.29.2012 11:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: InvasionImminent
If it can beat Outskirts
pshht never!

  • 03.29.2012 11:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: InvasionImminent
Silent Cartographer is still in the epic tie for the besssst Halo mission ever. If it can beat Outskirts then it has rightly earned the title.
It has 4 advantages over Outskirts: order of objective choice, infinite AI existence, Hunter collection, and cutscene manipulation.

I can skip the beach battle, go do another objective then come back and finish it.

H2 (also H3 and I believe ODST and Reach) deletes AI as you progress. One example is Delta Halo's mission start. You skip it and come back later, the entire ruins is empty. :( More prominent examples: The Ark at mission start, The Covenant at mission start. Both are major disappointments.

  • 03.30.2012 10:35 AM PDT


Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: InvasionImminent
Silent Cartographer is still in the epic tie for the besssst Halo mission ever. If it can beat Outskirts then it has rightly earned the title.
It has 4 advantages over Outskirts: order of objective choice, infinite AI existence, Hunter collection, and cutscene manipulation.

I can skip the beach battle, go do another objective then come back and finish it.

H2 (also H3 and I believe ODST and Reach) deletes AI as you progress. One example is Delta Halo's mission start. You skip it and come back later, the entire ruins is empty. :( More prominent examples: The Ark at mission start, The Covenant at mission start. Both are major disappointments.

Order of objectives can be in Outskirts too. You just have to skip on ahead. Also I was talking more of gameplay than glitching.

  • 03.30.2012 10:41 AM PDT
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It is hard to compare aspects of levels between CE and H2 when the rules of the game are not bendable in Original CE like they are in H2. All of my CE comments are for the original, not the bastardization that is HALO Anniversary

In H2, with sputnik you can ultimately bypass much of a level, any level. Playing CE, with the exception of AotCR where you can survive the descent into the bowl from the bridge (well, I havent mastered it, but it can be done, seen the vids)that is pretty much the only place in the game I can think of that you can play havoc with how the game loads and presents its challenges to you.

For glitching it isnt a matter of playing the game, it is a matter of seeing what you can do outside of the gameplay: terrain exploration, getting outside of maps, finding places no one has gotten too, skull hunting, being smarter than the game designers and such.

For gameplay it is finding ways to beat the game on as many of its own terms as possible, and measuring your success in terms of the number of deaths during the level, or the fewest number of shots fired, or the fastest time you can kill everything or just get from start to finish without major skipping and such.

Since CE does not allow for the effects of skulls, its gameplay and glitching cannot be directly compared to H2, it is comparing pineapples to oranges. I like both pineapples and oranges, and I like different things about them, but I wont lose sleep figuring out why I like one better than the other, or which goes better with alcohol....I will just like them both and my mood will determine which one quenches my hunger or thirst better.

  • 03.30.2012 12:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: womyfts
the bastardization that is HALO Anniversary
Amen.

Posted by: womyfts
Playing CE, with the exception of AotCR where you can survive the descent into the bowl from the bridge (well, I havent mastered it, but it can be done, seen the vids)that is pretty much the only place in the game I can think of that you can play havoc with how the game loads and presents its challenges to you.
You have a point there. There's also Keyes with it's shield bump though.

Posted by: womyfts
For gameplay it is finding ways to beat the game on as many of its own terms as possible, and measuring your success in terms of the number of deaths during the level, or the fewest number of shots fired, or the fastest time you can kill everything or just get from start to finish without major skipping and such.
My goal in Halo is to take negligible damage and use minimum effort (ammo) without going through a grueling and repetitive process.

Posted by: womyfts
Since CE does not allow for the effects of skulls, its gameplay and glitching cannot be directly compared to H2, it is comparing pineapples to oranges. I like both pineapples and oranges, and I like different things about them, but I wont lose sleep figuring out why I like one better than the other, or which goes better with alcohol....I will just like them both and my mood will determine which one quenches my hunger or thirst better.
Well put.

  • 03.30.2012 4:55 PM PDT


Posted by: Sliding Ghost
My goal in Halo is to take negligible damage and use minimum effort (ammo) without going through a grueling and repetitive process.

Lol, that's called speed running. Also nice response womy, I agree on all accounts.

  • 03.30.2012 5:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: InvasionImminent

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
My goal in Halo is to take negligible damage and use minimum effort (ammo) without going through a grueling and repetitive process.

Lol, that's called speed running.
Not necessarily. I was talking about manipulating AI and neutralizing threats in advance. I guess I should have clarified.

My goal in Halo is to take negligible damage and use minimum effort (ammo) without going through a grueling and repetitive process while taking my time with things.

AI manipulation:

-H1: disrupting/inducing Elite patrol behavior. T&R: getting the sword Goldie in the prison patrolling (after alerting him) for an easy assassination. SC: getting the other Elite at Shafted to turn away or go on patrol by firing my gun. AotCR: delaying a patrolling Elite for an easier assassination
-H1: Essentially immobilizing Elites by parking a marine occupied hog below them
-H1: Two Betrayals battle for Banshee. I only need to go to a certain position from which I can use the needler's homing on a group of Elites.
-H2: CS bomb room battle LASO. I only need to go to certain locations and the AI come to me. Easy recharge-overshield/assassination opportunity.
-H2: CS bomb room battle Legendary. 1 tiny crate allows me to fire without worrying about retaliation.
-H3: Crow's Nest bomb room battle. By firing underneath the Brutes, they all come down to me.
-H3: Brutes in third tower. By keeping all 5 Elites alive, the Brutes will be strolling casually when they spawn. By activating the elevator, the Elites will move away from the door. By killing 1 Brute, the Brutes will be alert and will stand still at the door.

Neutralizing threats in advance and/or from a better position:

-H3: taming Scarab on The Ark
-H3: good BR sniping position on Crow's Nest
-H3: good sniping position on Sierra 117
-H3: BR sniping Flood before Spec Ops Elites arrive

[Edited on 03.30.2012 6:53 PM PDT]

  • 03.30.2012 6:39 PM PDT

I've been rediscovering this game too. I'm really loving SC (always have) but I've noticed that AotCR is really tedious. Speedrunning on 343 Guilty Spark is fun. Keyes is a nightmare. And I refuse to play Truth and Reconciliation on Legendary.

Also that is very impressive stuff you got there SG. I'll have to look at that.

[Edited on 04.01.2012 12:18 PM PDT]

  • 04.01.2012 12:17 PM PDT

Games I like:,
Half-Minute Hero
MBU
Portal
Halo 3 is the best Halo ever
Maps I like: Turf, Avalanche, Pylon, Sandbox, Breakpoint and many more.

I say flamed, only because you became a hypocrite.

  • 05.18.2012 2:50 PM PDT

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